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Post by GoBoks on Sept 15, 2019 21:10:03 GMT
After going through our 2 PL seasons where Joe Allen was a Stoke player, I get the following result.... (remember he joined the season after our 3rd top ten finish in a row!)
Season 1 - 13th
Games with Allen
Played - 34
Points - 34
Pts Available - 102
% points achieved - 33%
W - 8
L - 16
Games withOUT Allen
Played - 4
Points - 10
Pts Available - 12
% points achieved - 84%
W - 3
L - 0
Season 2 - ARGH!
Games with Allen
Played - 35
Points - 30
Pts Available - 105
% points achieved - 26%
W - 6
L - 17
Games withOUT Allen
Played - 3
Points - 3
Pts Available - 9
% points achieved - 33%
W - 1
L - 2
Joe Allen - Unlucky Co-Incidence or....Cause of Our Demise?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 15, 2019 21:21:49 GMT
There are not enough games there without Allen for the results to be statistically significant.
And yes I can see the irony of what I’ve just said there.
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Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2019 21:34:19 GMT
Above is spot on.
Fewer than 10% of the games without him and in any case he makes up fewer than 10% of the playing staff in any given game so nothing to see here one way or the other.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 15, 2019 22:07:10 GMT
Not the cause of our demise, but a large contributory factor.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 15, 2019 23:05:44 GMT
The better metrics to judge Allen by are that of his fellow Championship midfielders rather than wins and losses because as has been stated above the sample is so minute you can’t really take much from it. I posted some time ago a comprehensive list of Allen’s stats and where he ranked in the league and in every single one of them he ranked either in the middle of pack or in the bottom 7 of those playing over 20 games. (Around 55 players if memory serves) For his reputation, wage and purported importance to the team, he’s severely underperforming. N’Diaye did more in that 45 than I think I’ve ever seen Allen do in a game.
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