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Post by ted1965 on Sept 12, 2019 12:01:17 GMT
If the plan of Peter Coates interview was to put the supporters at ease and let them know the club were fully on top of the situation we find ourselves in I can honestly say he failed spectacularly. The same dreary everything is fine and we are not concerned at this time is once more the head in the sand viewpoint that could see this club relegated back to the wilderness.
I really don’t understand this total lack of direction from a man who has seen the highs and been responsible for some horrendous lows. Sadly like many I am of an age to remember the first coming of Mr Coates which for new supporters was some of the most depressing days of supporting this amazing club. His first reign will be remembered with shudders of fear. I really thought he would protect his newly won legacy much better than this. He was literally under siege by the end of his reign as supporters felt so desperate they actually attempted to get at Coates after a game.
He returned after making his fortune with BET365 and we all know the second coming was truly a golden era until about 4 years ago, then something seemed to change a complacency seems to have set in at the club once more. As supporters watched on in disbelief we just meandered back into the Championship, yes I knew the reality of football meant we would eventually be relegated but the scenario that played out before us was head spinning in its ineptitude from on high. The lack of action when Hughes was visibly losing the plot and then finally bringing in Lambert as the answer made you wonder what the hell the question was in the first place. In all honesty they may as well have left Hughes in charge and looked for a replacement for the following season.
We were promised big changes and a new beginning as the owners claimed they had learned lessons and realized big changes were needed to get the club back on its feet. All we got was a change of manager and the toxic nature of the club was not cleansed merely the wounds were bandaged over and not attended. So another manager came and went but still no other real changes were attempted and despite being a very positive man Nathan Jones has found little response from the players to set us on the right path.
I appreciate loyalty but for God’s sake acknowledge the shambles is a concern, if you’re giving Jones the season before judging him say so now and we can all resign ourselves to your total apathy once more. I am sure that there could be a train of thought that says if we believe in the manager he will come good given time, sure it’s possible but how much time, please tell us.
I like Jones but at the moment he looks like a condemned man on death row who has been told he will be executed but keeps getting a reprieve despite no evidence that he has any chance of an appeal being successful. He seems genuinely baffled by what happens out on the field, that doesn’t scream success. Sometimes you simply have to take someone out of the firing line before he has some kind of breakdown. I actually feel sorry for him; he came into this club which on paper looks like an amazing opportunity for a hungry young manager. He must have thought I can reproduce my magic with better players on paper than at Luton. The club have been in the Premier league for a decade and had one bad season and even then only just got relegated. From the outside merely looking on it looks a great opportunity but sadly a closer inspection would leave many cold.
The lack of direction for a number of years has proved detrimental to this club. We have players on eye watering contracts that have hardly done a tap to earn them and yet we have to loan them here and there because nobody is prepared to buy them outright.
I know mistakes are made in the transfer market but a ratio of 1 failure in 6 is acceptable not the other way around. What on earth do those in our scouting system do, it would seem watch a lot of grainy YouTube footage and drool over average players having their only good games before signing them and discovering ability is more than kicking a ball. It would seem no due diligence is carried out before someone is signed by the club are laughable when you see the bomb squad.
We finally have some exciting youngsters but what on earth will they learn being at Stoke right now from players who seem incapable of winning games and who drop their heads immediately something goes against them. It surely will mean any decent youngsters will look for the exit door if something is changed and fast. Someone whether the manager now or someone else needs to grab this overpaid and in many cases overhyped bunch of so called professional footballers and shake them down. We do have some good players but they appear to be infected by a toxic atmosphere that immediately infects new hopefuls before they have a chance to change the atmosphere.
The manager talks about fast attacking football that we as supporters will be proud of and then we sign a collection of players who simply don’t fit that criteria. We needed fast athletic full backs, we got none of the above. Afobe, couldn’t hit a barn door from 12 yards with us and goes off to Bristol City and suddenly the player we thought we were getting is doing it for someone else. If I was the owner that would be one of the first questions I would be asking, why this player is suddenly performing much better at the same level. What makes Bristol City a more enjoyable place to ply your trade?
We have won two cup games by playing the same system and near enough the same team why doesn’t the manager just try it in a league game. We have his preferred system which leaves gaping holes for the opposition to run through or at least it does with the players we have, surely gaining a few hard fought wins are now more important than a failing system. Maybe a new scouting unit will bring players suited to fast attacking football but until that happens Mr Jones time to adapt or die.
Mr Coates, please don’t fall back into thinking supporters are morons or ungrateful we love this club and want only the best for it as you do. Sometimes that means hardship but complacency will never be rewarded because people will once again drift away as their hopes and belief are pointless in the face of stubbornness and shear bloody mindedness.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 12, 2019 12:37:43 GMT
If the plan of Peter Coates interview was to put the supporters at ease and let them know the club were fully on top of the situation we find ourselves in I can honestly say he failed spectacularly. The same dreary everything is fine and we are not concerned at this time is once more the head in the sand viewpoint that could see this club relegated back to the wilderness. I really don’t understand this total lack of direction from a man who has seen the highs and been responsible for some horrendous lows. Sadly like many I am of an age to remember the first coming of Mr Coates which for new supporters was some of the most depressing days of supporting this amazing club. His first reign will be remembered with shudders of fear. I really thought he would protect his newly won legacy much better than this. He was literally under siege by the end of his reign as supporters felt so desperate they actually attempted to get at Coates after a game. He returned after making his fortune with BET365 and we all know the second coming was truly a golden era until about 4 years ago, then something seemed to change a complacency seems to have set in at the club once more. As supporters watched on in disbelief we just meandered back into the Championship, yes I knew the reality of football meant we would eventually be relegated but the scenario that played out before us was head spinning in its ineptitude from on high. The lack of action when Hughes was visibly losing the plot and then finally bringing in Lambert as the answer made you wonder what the hell the question was in the first place. In all honesty they may as well have left Hughes in charge and looked for a replacement for the following season. We were promised big changes and a new beginning as the owners claimed they had learned lessons and realized big changes were needed to get the club back on its feet. All we got was a change of manager and the toxic nature of the club was not cleansed merely the wounds were bandaged over and not attended. So another manager came and went but still no other real changes were attempted and despite being a very positive man Nathan Jones has found little response from the players to set us on the right path. I appreciate loyalty but for God’s sake acknowledge the shambles is a concern, if you’re giving Jones the season before judging him say so now and we can all resign ourselves to your total apathy once more. I am sure that there could be a train of thought that says if we believe in the manager he will come good given time, sure it’s possible but how much time, please tell us. I like Jones but at the moment he looks like a condemned man on death row who has been told he will be executed but keeps getting a reprieve despite no evidence that he has any chance of an appeal being successful. He seems genuinely baffled by what happens out on the field, that doesn’t scream success. Sometimes you simply have to take someone out of the firing line before he has some kind of breakdown. I actually feel sorry for him; he came into this club which on paper looks like an amazing opportunity for a hungry young manager. He must have thought I can reproduce my magic with better players on paper than at Luton. The club have been in the Premier league for a decade and had one bad season and even then only just got relegated. From the outside merely looking on it looks a great opportunity but sadly a closer inspection would leave many cold. The lack of direction for a number of years has proved detrimental to this club. We have players on eye watering contracts that have hardly done a tap to earn them and yet we have to loan them here and there because nobody is prepared to buy them outright. I know mistakes are made in the transfer market but a ratio of 1 failure in 6 is acceptable not the other way around. What on earth do those in our scouting system do, it would seem watch a lot of grainy YouTube footage and drool over average players having their only good games before signing them and discovering ability is more than kicking a ball. It would seem no due diligence is carried out before someone is signed by the club are laughable when you see the bomb squad. We finally have some exciting youngsters but what on earth will they learn being at Stoke right now from players who seem incapable of winning games and who drop their heads immediately something goes against them. It surely will mean any decent youngsters will look for the exit door if something is changed and fast. Someone whether the manager now or someone else needs to grab this overpaid and in many cases overhyped bunch of so called professional footballers and shake them down. We do have some good players but they appear to be infected by a toxic atmosphere that immediately infects new hopefuls before they have a chance to change the atmosphere. The manager talks about fast attacking football that we as supporters will be proud of and then we sign a collection of players who simply don’t fit that criteria. We needed fast athletic full backs, we got none of the above. Afobe, couldn’t hit a barn door from 12 yards with us and goes off to Bristol City and suddenly the player we thought we were getting is doing it for someone else. If I was the owner that would be one of the first questions I would be asking, why this player is suddenly performing much better at the same level. What makes Bristol City a more enjoyable place to ply your trade? We have won two cup games by playing the same system and near enough the same team why doesn’t the manager just try it in a league game. We have his preferred system which leaves gaping holes for the opposition to run through or at least it does with the players we have, surely gaining a few hard fought wins are now more important than a failing system. Maybe a new scouting unit will bring players suited to fast attacking football but until that happens Mr Jones time to adapt or die. Mr Coates, please don’t fall back into thinking supporters are morons or ungrateful we love this club and want only the best for it as you do. Sometimes that means hardship but complacency will never be rewarded because people will once again drift away as their hopes and belief are pointless in the face of stubbornness and shear bloody mindedness. A lot of constructive critical points of view. A basis for fair and rationale debate. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 12, 2019 12:39:25 GMT
1st paragraph does it for me. Just because they left it too late once doesnt mean they have to be premature in sacking a manager every time after that, as if to prove that they are on the ball. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 12:53:45 GMT
1st paragraph does it for me. Just because they left it too late once doesnt mean they have to be premature in sacking a manager every time after that, as if to prove that they are on the ball. Sorry. But they didn't just 'leave it late once' did they? They left it way too late with Hughes; then appointed Lambert out of pure desperation; then replaced him with Rowett, who wasn't up to the task; and now, they've appointed another manager with questionable pedigree, who is spectacularly under-performing. This isn't about it being 'too soon' to get rid of Jones. It about 4 wins in 33 or whatever the stat is, and despite him bringing 12 players on of his own, managing to somehow go further backwards. Apathy has set in, whether people like it or not. Many people I speak to can't be arsed with this circus right now. Whilst I appreciate you're trying to stay 'glass half full' - I'll be keen to see where you're at after the next 6 games. Because you can't keep saying 'just a bit more time', or whatever. One to watch with interest, is how Huddersfield fare under their new management team. |
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Post by wherty on Sept 12, 2019 13:10:22 GMT
In regards to appointing Rowett, the majority of Stoke fans were impressed with his signature so you can't blame the board for his appointment.
What did you expect PC to say on radio...oh we are in the shit and in free fall and may have appointed a manager who isn't good enough and we are looking at sacking him?
The club have discussed his position and have decided to carry on with him and review in 3 games time.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 12, 2019 13:32:31 GMT
Gathering? They've been and soaked the fricking place with a potion so strong, anyone who comes into contact with it is instantly affected. The only remedy is to leave said place! !
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 12, 2019 13:57:45 GMT
The owners may have made mistakes, but to suggest apathy is responsible for this is way off the mark in my opinion.
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Post by neddy on Sept 12, 2019 14:04:58 GMT
If the plan of Peter Coates interview was to put the supporters at ease and let them know the club were fully on top of the situation we find ourselves in I can honestly say he failed spectacularly. The same dreary everything is fine and we are not concerned at this time is once more the head in the sand viewpoint that could see this club relegated back to the wilderness. I really don’t understand this total lack of direction from a man who has seen the highs and been responsible for some horrendous lows. Sadly like many I am of an age to remember the first coming of Mr Coates which for new supporters was some of the most depressing days of supporting this amazing club. His first reign will be remembered with shudders of fear. I really thought he would protect his newly won legacy much better than this. He was literally under siege by the end of his reign as supporters felt so desperate they actually attempted to get at Coates after a game. He returned after making his fortune with BET365 and we all know the second coming was truly a golden era until about 4 years ago, then something seemed to change a complacency seems to have set in at the club once more. As supporters watched on in disbelief we just meandered back into the Championship, yes I knew the reality of football meant we would eventually be relegated but the scenario that played out before us was head spinning in its ineptitude from on high. The lack of action when Hughes was visibly losing the plot and then finally bringing in Lambert as the answer made you wonder what the hell the question was in the first place. In all honesty they may as well have left Hughes in charge and looked for a replacement for the following season. We were promised big changes and a new beginning as the owners claimed they had learned lessons and realized big changes were needed to get the club back on its feet. All we got was a change of manager and the toxic nature of the club was not cleansed merely the wounds were bandaged over and not attended. So another manager came and went but still no other real changes were attempted and despite being a very positive man Nathan Jones has found little response from the players to set us on the right path. I appreciate loyalty but for God’s sake acknowledge the shambles is a concern, if you’re giving Jones the season before judging him say so now and we can all resign ourselves to your total apathy once more. I am sure that there could be a train of thought that says if we believe in the manager he will come good given time, sure it’s possible but how much time, please tell us. I like Jones but at the moment he looks like a condemned man on death row who has been told he will be executed but keeps getting a reprieve despite no evidence that he has any chance of an appeal being successful. He seems genuinely baffled by what happens out on the field, that doesn’t scream success. Sometimes you simply have to take someone out of the firing line before he has some kind of breakdown. I actually feel sorry for him; he came into this club which on paper looks like an amazing opportunity for a hungry young manager. He must have thought I can reproduce my magic with better players on paper than at Luton. The club have been in the Premier league for a decade and had one bad season and even then only just got relegated. From the outside merely looking on it looks a great opportunity but sadly a closer inspection would leave many cold. The lack of direction for a number of years has proved detrimental to this club. We have players on eye watering contracts that have hardly done a tap to earn them and yet we have to loan them here and there because nobody is prepared to buy them outright. I know mistakes are made in the transfer market but a ratio of 1 failure in 6 is acceptable not the other way around. What on earth do those in our scouting system do, it would seem watch a lot of grainy YouTube footage and drool over average players having their only good games before signing them and discovering ability is more than kicking a ball. It would seem no due diligence is carried out before someone is signed by the club are laughable when you see the bomb squad. We finally have some exciting youngsters but what on earth will they learn being at Stoke right now from players who seem incapable of winning games and who drop their heads immediately something goes against them. It surely will mean any decent youngsters will look for the exit door if something is changed and fast. Someone whether the manager now or someone else needs to grab this overpaid and in many cases overhyped bunch of so called professional footballers and shake them down. We do have some good players but they appear to be infected by a toxic atmosphere that immediately infects new hopefuls before they have a chance to change the atmosphere. The manager talks about fast attacking football that we as supporters will be proud of and then we sign a collection of players who simply don’t fit that criteria. We needed fast athletic full backs, we got none of the above. Afobe, couldn’t hit a barn door from 12 yards with us and goes off to Bristol City and suddenly the player we thought we were getting is doing it for someone else. If I was the owner that would be one of the first questions I would be asking, why this player is suddenly performing much better at the same level. What makes Bristol City a more enjoyable place to ply your trade? We have won two cup games by playing the same system and near enough the same team why doesn’t the manager just try it in a league game. We have his preferred system which leaves gaping holes for the opposition to run through or at least it does with the players we have, surely gaining a few hard fought wins are now more important than a failing system. Maybe a new scouting unit will bring players suited to fast attacking football but until that happens Mr Jones time to adapt or die. Mr Coates, please don’t fall back into thinking supporters are morons or ungrateful we love this club and want only the best for it as you do. Sometimes that means hardship but complacency will never be rewarded because people will once again drift away as their hopes and belief are pointless in the face of stubbornness and shear bloody mindedness. Reasoned as ever but out of interest what did you really want and expect him to say? |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 12, 2019 14:11:58 GMT
I've personally become too apathetic to bother to read the whole of the original post.
Even though its probably good stuff.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 14:18:22 GMT
1st paragraph does it for me. Just because they left it too late once doesnt mean they have to be premature in sacking a manager every time after that, as if to prove that they are on the ball. Sorry. Premature ! he's won 3 League games since January  |
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 14:19:38 GMT
There’s still plenty of games and points up for grabs so I guess coates is thinking he can afford to give jones 4 or so more games to turn results around before pulling the trigger and bringing in an escape artist like Pulis or maybe Hughton if it continues to go tits up.
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Post by Linx on Sept 12, 2019 15:58:37 GMT
You can’t help feeling that at any other club, Jones would have gone by now and we would be managed by Gary Monk or Danny Cowley or even Mad Mick or Fat Sam.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 12, 2019 16:05:12 GMT
Its the 'James McClean is suddenly a left back' that really fries my noodle. The village idiot can see this lad was a bad purchase football wise . Over priced and under talented for starters. Then add the fact hes a republican sympathizer wins very, very few friends but then, to even imagine this fella as a left back just loses any shred of credibility at the entire football club, as far as I am concerned.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 12, 2019 16:11:55 GMT
1st paragraph does it for me. Just because they left it too late once doesnt mean they have to be premature in sacking a manager every time after that, as if to prove that they are on the ball. Sorry. Premature ! he's won 3 League games since January
But for the umpteenth time....in January he didn't have his own players to fit the formation that he knew would have us banging in them!!
Look at his record since he got those players in!!! Oh....shit.....yeah.........
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 12, 2019 16:29:20 GMT
There’s still plenty of games and points up for grabs so I guess coates is thinking he can afford to give jones 4 or so more games to turn results around before pulling the trigger and bringing in an escape artist like Pulis or maybe Hughton if it continues to go tits up. Has anyone considered whether Coates is fond of symmetry. Nathan Jones' first game was Brentford. Where we were utterly shredded by the way. Clearly not his fault. I expect us to lose on Saturday. Possibly a draw. Maybe. Just nabbed my ticket for Brentford on the 21st. I expect us to lose that also. But what do I know? On the plus side, the pub we use at Brentford is an absolute gem. The sort of place where you look at your watch - it's 2.45 - and you say: "**** the game. Let's stay here for the next two hours". Who doesn't love symmetry? And palindromes? Yes, I am Maisey. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 12, 2019 16:37:51 GMT
1st paragraph does it for me. Just because they left it too late once doesnt mean they have to be premature in sacking a manager every time after that, as if to prove that they are on the ball. Sorry. 3 wins from 26 isn't premature 😊 |
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 12, 2019 17:40:05 GMT
1st paragraph does it for me. Just because they left it too late once doesnt mean they have to be premature in sacking a manager every time after that, as if to prove that they are on the ball. Sorry. 😊 neither is it Prem League. |
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Post by zerps on Sept 12, 2019 17:45:24 GMT
You can’t help feeling that at any other club, Jones would have gone by now and we would be managed by Gary Monk or Danny Cowley or even Mad Mick or Fat Sam. I’d prefer jones |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 12, 2019 19:29:35 GMT
Instead of storm clouds it's far less dynamic than that - more of a grey day Bill Bryson descr6as a Tupperware box day and snaps the life out of you
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 12, 2019 19:43:56 GMT
Easy way to solve the unrest ? Win some blinking football matches and, not fold like a bloody deckchair every single time the blooming going gets anything like tough.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 12, 2019 21:01:06 GMT
As usual, moan, moan, moan, without a single constructive suggestion.
It is an amazing demonstration of love of the club that Coates was prepared to take it on again after the way fans expressed their anger first time around.
If Coates has a fault he is over generously loyal to his staff, unlike the ingratitude of some fans.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 12, 2019 21:13:42 GMT
Whatever anyone says fans/owner/ chip van man, three more defeats in a row and NJ will be sacked. Simple as.
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