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Post by mrred on Sept 12, 2019 16:00:15 GMT
Head in the sand as ever.
"We’ve obviously had a disappointing start to the season, there is no question of that,” the chairman stated, “but I do believe we have played better than our results have shown."
Could have been lifted from the start of either the last 2 seasons. In fact I'd put money on that being said before.
“I do feel that as soon as we get one win - and obviously the sooner the better - things can change for us."
Where do you start with that? It'll be a fluke if we get a win and clinging onto hope that it'll get better rather than asking for more of his massively underachieving club and staff isn't going to cut it. Cant help but shake my head at this guff.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 16:12:16 GMT
Where else would any manager be rewarded for abject failure by his Chairman, I would wager if he was employed by Bet365 he would have been shown the door months ago. Firstly, how has NJ been rewarded? The implication is, "we're giving him more time, but he better turn it around". That's a reward??? Secondly, are you saying the owners are happy to lose money in one company but not the other? Money is money, regardless of where it's lost, it leaves a hole in your pocket exactly the same size! He's been rewarded by still having a job despite been shit is that difficult to understand ? secondly I know how ruthless Bet365 is as an organisation they would not entertain such failure over a 6 month period let alone 8 going to 9 months, it would be interesting to hear from the real powerhouse behind Bet365 about her thoughts on how the club is doing.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 12, 2019 16:14:05 GMT
Discussion = GOOD! (for everyone) Hysterics = BAD! (for everyone) Mindless Repetition of same points over and over and over = BAD! (for everyone apart from sad attention seekers) You’ve been saying this head in the sand crap for 4 years now. And you’ve be complaining for the past 8 years. Stoke is what it is, no matter how much you complain or insult fellow supporters for their views, it’s not going to change - certainly not through being a keyboard warrior! If you want to bring about change so much, why not do something useful, like raise a consortium to buy out the current owners, instead of simply moaning about everything the club does?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 16:15:37 GMT
You’ve been saying this head in the sand crap for 4 years now. And you’ve be complaining for the past 8 years. Stoke is what it is, no matter how much you complain or insult fellow supporters for their views, it’s not going to change - certainly not through being a keyboard warrior! If you want to bring about change so much, why not do something useful, like raise a consortium to buy out the current owners, instead of simply moaning about everything the club does? What horse spunk.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 16:17:08 GMT
I get the I am backing him thing until they fire him. However to come Out with stuff like we do our homework and snippets like that does not help the theory he is out of touch Oh C'mon SS! Do you really think they don't do their homework? Hundreds and hundreds of managers and players are "scouted", "courted", "interviewed" and hired only to turn out to be massive flops. Could our current batch of flops have been prevented .... apart from Berahino and possibly Lambert, I don't recall many arguing against the recruitment of any of our flop players or Rowett or Jones. Instead of going ballistic about everything that comes from the club, can't we try to "support" them as they try navigate through this mess? What would be the ultimate objective of hounding Coates out of the club? I think most fans would be very unhappy with the future regime if that happened! If they do indeed do their homework why did we sign Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Jesse, McClean etc ?
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 12, 2019 16:17:27 GMT
Horse spunk. I believe it's very tasty in a salad.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 12, 2019 16:22:39 GMT
Firstly, how has NJ been rewarded? The implication is, "we're giving him more time, but he better turn it around". That's a reward??? Secondly, are you saying the owners are happy to lose money in one company but not the other? Money is money, regardless of where it's lost, it leaves a hole in your pocket exactly the same size! He's been rewarded by still having a job despite been shit is that difficult to understand ? secondly I know how ruthless Bet365 is as an organisation they would not entertain such failure over a 6 month period let alone 8 going to 9 months, it would be interesting to hear from the real powerhouse behind Bet365 about her thoughts on how the club is doing. The more complex the job, the more reasonable it is to give the new employee a chance to get to grips with it. If the brief given to him was “ make sure we don’t get relegated in the first 6 months and then start to build a team around your philosophy”, i’d Say he has met the brief. Lucky to be in a job, not if his doing what he was instructed to do. Not everyone needs instant success at the cost of longer term goals. You didn’t answer my question - Do you honestly believe they would be unhappy to lose money from one pocket while happily seeing it pour out of the other pocket? As for Bet 365 being ruthless, it sounds like you have firsthand experience?
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 12, 2019 16:23:03 GMT
And you’ve be complaining for the past 8 years. Stoke is what it is, no matter how much you complain or insult fellow supporters for their views, it’s not going to change - certainly not through being a keyboard warrior! If you want to bring about change so much, why not do something useful, like raise a consortium to buy out the current owners, instead of simply moaning about everything the club does? What horse spunk. Intelligent answer as usual.
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 12, 2019 16:25:19 GMT
On this thread and many others Peter Coates is being described as apathetic, indecisive, too loyal, old fool etc.
So lets look at the facts over the last 6 years:
Sacks Tony Pulis, one of the best ever Stoke managers by record.
Sacks Mark Hughes, one of the best Stoke managers by record.
Sacks Paul Lambert after just 15 games.
Sacks Gary Rowett after just 29 games.
The above actions by Peter Coates suggests to me that far from being an indecisive, out of date old fool, in fact he is both decisive and even ruthless.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 16:36:29 GMT
Intelligent answer as usual. It’s the answer your daft post deserved.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 16:37:06 GMT
He's been rewarded by still having a job despite been shit is that difficult to understand ? secondly I know how ruthless Bet365 is as an organisation they would not entertain such failure over a 6 month period let alone 8 going to 9 months, it would be interesting to hear from the real powerhouse behind Bet365 about her thoughts on how the club is doing. The more complex the job, the more reasonable it is to give the new employee a chance to get to grips with it. If the brief given to him was “ make sure we don’t get relegated in the first 6 months and then start to build a team around your philosophy”, i’d Say he has met the brief. Lucky to be in a job, not if his doing what he was instructed to do. Not everyone needs instant success at the cost of longer term goals. You didn’t answer my question - Do you honestly believe they would be unhappy to lose money from one pocket while happily seeing it pour out of the other pocket? As for Bet 365 being ruthless, it sounds like you have firsthand experience? In his first 4 months he achieved 3 wins, if he had the job from the start of the season he would have relegated us with his record , build a team around what philosophy I take it he has met the brief and what he was instructed to do by winning 4 games in 33 achieved 1 point out of 18 has us rooted to the bottom of the Championship, he has a LWB who was a winger no real DM to make his diamond system work which he has now scrapped to be replaced by a variety of systems non of which have worked, they fortunately can afford to lose millions on their toy project, and yes I do have first hand experience of working with Bet365 and Denise who is a brilliant businesswoman who I can assure you would not tolerate the incompetence levels at the football club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 16:37:34 GMT
On this thread and many others Peter Coates is being described as apathetic, indecisive, too loyal, old fool etc. So lets look at the facts over the last 6 years: Sacks Tony Pulis, one of the best ever Stoke managers by record. Sacks Mark Hughes, one of the best Stoke managers by record. Sacks Paul Lambert after just 15 games. Sacks Gary Rowett after just 29 games. The above actions by Peter Coates suggests to me that far from being an indecisive, out of date old fool, in fact he is both decisive and even ruthless. Oh Geoff please stop. He dithered with Hughes and you know it. That’s where this shit show starts.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 12, 2019 16:39:06 GMT
Oh C'mon SS! Do you really think they don't do their homework? Hundreds and hundreds of managers and players are "scouted", "courted", "interviewed" and hired only to turn out to be massive flops. Could our current batch of flops have been prevented .... apart from Berahino and possibly Lambert, I don't recall many arguing against the recruitment of any of our flop players or Rowett or Jones. Instead of going ballistic about everything that comes from the club, can't we try to "support" them as they try navigate through this mess? What would be the ultimate objective of hounding Coates out of the club? I think most fans would be very unhappy with the future regime if that happened! If they do indeed do their homework why did we sign Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Jesse, McClean etc ? Try reading the post. Why did man city sign Balotelli? Why did Liverpool sign Andy Carrol? Etc etc.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 16:41:18 GMT
On this thread and many others Peter Coates is being described as apathetic, indecisive, too loyal, old fool etc. So lets look at the facts over the last 6 years: Sacks Tony Pulis, one of the best ever Stoke managers by record. Sacks Mark Hughes, one of the best Stoke managers by record. Sacks Paul Lambert after just 15 games. Sacks Gary Rowett after just 29 games. The above actions by Peter Coates suggests to me that far from being an indecisive, out of date old fool, in fact he is both decisive and even ruthless. Oh Geoff please stop. He dithered with Hughes and you know it. That’s where this shit show starts. Agreed that is exactly where we started to fall apart Hughes was sacked 18 months too late, that was down to the board no one else since then they have lurched from one disastrous appointment to the next ably abetted by a bloke in a pub
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 12, 2019 16:42:18 GMT
Intelligent answer as usual. It’s the answer your daft post deserved. Oh ok, carry on complaining then. You’re probably deluded enough that when (not if) the Stoke Management team turn this around, you’ll be claiming it’s because of your moaning and insulting posts. Have a great life.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 16:43:41 GMT
It’s the answer your daft post deserved. Oh ok, carry on complaining then. You’re probably deluded enough that when (not if) the Stoke Management team turn this around, you’ll be claiming it’s because of your moaning and insulting posts. Have a great life. If Jones wins another 2 games for us then I will be shocked.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 12, 2019 16:53:02 GMT
Onr day - you will all type like I do
its definitely catching on
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 12, 2019 16:54:36 GMT
Peter Coates has to tread a careful line regarding what he says in public.
The Hughes era left the club's finances and squad morale in tatters. Coates has tried to bring in what looked like younger, up-and-coming managers to turn the situation around. He's backed them, yet things have just got worse.
He'll want to stand by this manager, but might have his hand forced if we reach the end of September without a win (or even one win), which is more than possible.
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 12, 2019 16:55:12 GMT
On this thread and many others Peter Coates is being described as apathetic, indecisive, too loyal, old fool etc. So lets look at the facts over the last 6 years: Sacks Tony Pulis, one of the best ever Stoke managers by record. Sacks Mark Hughes, one of the best Stoke managers by record. Sacks Paul Lambert after just 15 games. Sacks Gary Rowett after just 29 games. The above actions by Peter Coates suggests to me that far from being an indecisive, out of date old fool, in fact he is both decisive and even ruthless. Oh Geoff please stop. He dithered with Hughes and you know it. That’s where this shit show starts. Of course he hesitated bayern over Hughes, he was being asked by many fans to sack a guy who had an outstanding record.
Tony Waddington could have been sacked a number of times based on league placing in the 196O's, he wasn't and we went on to win the only major trophy in our history.
With hindsight it's easy to say Hughes should have gone earlier, Coates must have believed he could still turn it round, that doesn't prove he's inept just that he probably made an error of judgement in this case.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2019 17:35:27 GMT
He's been rewarded by still having a job despite been shit is that difficult to understand ? secondly I know how ruthless Bet365 is as an organisation they would not entertain such failure over a 6 month period let alone 8 going to 9 months, it would be interesting to hear from the real powerhouse behind Bet365 about her thoughts on how the club is doing. The more complex the job, the more reasonable it is to give the new employee a chance to get to grips with it. If the brief given to him was “ make sure we don’t get relegated in the first 6 months and then start to build a team around your philosophy”, i’d Say he has met the brief. Lucky to be in a job, not if his doing what he was instructed to do. Not everyone needs instant success at the cost of longer term goals. You didn’t answer my question - Do you honestly believe they would be unhappy to lose money from one pocket while happily seeing it pour out of the other pocket? As for Bet 365 being ruthless, it sounds like you have firsthand experience? WTAF?!?!?!!?!? He's met the brief? Christ.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 12, 2019 17:49:48 GMT
The more complex the job, the more reasonable it is to give the new employee a chance to get to grips with it. If the brief given to him was “ make sure we don’t get relegated in the first 6 months and then start to build a team around your philosophy”, i’d Say he has met the brief. Lucky to be in a job, not if his doing what he was instructed to do. Not everyone needs instant success at the cost of longer term goals. You didn’t answer my question - Do you honestly believe they would be unhappy to lose money from one pocket while happily seeing it pour out of the other pocket? As for Bet 365 being ruthless, it sounds like you have firsthand experience? WTAF?!?!?!!?!? He's met the brief? Christ. Start!!! After meeting part 1, he has had six games to Start part 2!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2019 17:50:28 GMT
WTAF?!?!?!!?!? He's met the brief? Christ. Start!!! After meeting part 1, he has had six games to Start part 2! honestly, what bollocks.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 12, 2019 17:52:10 GMT
The more complex the job, the more reasonable it is to give the new employee a chance to get to grips with it. If the brief given to him was “ make sure we don’t get relegated in the first 6 months and then start to build a team around your philosophy”, i’d Say he has met the brief. Lucky to be in a job, not if his doing what he was instructed to do. Not everyone needs instant success at the cost of longer term goals. You didn’t answer my question - Do you honestly believe they would be unhappy to lose money from one pocket while happily seeing it pour out of the other pocket? As for Bet 365 being ruthless, it sounds like you have firsthand experience? WTAF?!?!?!!?!? He's met the brief? Christ. Building a shit team around a shit philosophy meets the brief then!
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Post by RF10 on Sept 12, 2019 17:57:28 GMT
Yazz and the Plastic Population Thanks for that! Only question got wrong on pub quiz artist music round this week was Yazz.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 18:10:55 GMT
Oh Geoff please stop. He dithered with Hughes and you know it. That’s where this shit show starts. Of course he hesitated bayern over Hughes, he was being asked by many fans to sack a guy who had an outstanding record. Tony Waddington could have been sacked a number of times based on league placing in the 196O's, he wasn't and we went on to win the only major trophy in our history. With hindsight it's easy to say Hughes should have gone earlier, Coates must have believed he could still turn it round, that doesn't prove he's inept just that he probably made an error of judgement in this case.
It’s not hindsight is it? There was quite a few people who wanted him gone after the Arsenal game and most wouldn’t have batted an eyelid about it then. The 4000 at the end of the game that stayed were testament to the apathy around that whole campaign. No hindsight needed.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 18:20:35 GMT
If they do indeed do their homework why did we sign Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Jesse, McClean etc ? Try reading the post. Why did man city sign Balotelli? Why did Liverpool sign Andy Carrol? Etc etc. Presumably because of their past goal scoring records as strikers, they also had less to lose by making mistakes on the other hand we had a hell of a lot to lose our bad buys which played a massive part in relegation from the PL, all this mess has been overseen by the board.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 12, 2019 18:32:15 GMT
On this thread and many others Peter Coates is being described as apathetic, indecisive, too loyal, old fool etc. So lets look at the facts over the last 6 years: Sacks Tony Pulis, one of the best ever Stoke managers by record. Sacks Mark Hughes, one of the best Stoke managers by record. Sacks Paul Lambert after just 15 games. Sacks Gary Rowett after just 29 games. The above actions by Peter Coates suggests to me that far from being an indecisive, out of date old fool, in fact he is both decisive and even ruthless. The core issue is they didn’t ever tackle the “ elephant in the room “ the root cause the chief executive snd the process he’s overseen, they as owners have sadly missed the issue closest to home and most destructive force , there isn’t a proper football man in the board room other than peter and that’s killed us ,
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2019 18:46:27 GMT
On this thread and many others Peter Coates is being described as apathetic, indecisive, too loyal, old fool etc. So lets look at the facts over the last 6 years: Sacks Tony Pulis, one of the best ever Stoke managers by record. Sacks Mark Hughes, one of the best Stoke managers by record. Sacks Paul Lambert after just 15 games. Sacks Gary Rowett after just 29 games. The above actions by Peter Coates suggests to me that far from being an indecisive, out of date old fool, in fact he is both decisive and even ruthless. The core issue is they didn’t ever tackle the “ elephant in the room “ the root cause the chief executive snd the process he’s overseen, they as owners have sadly missed the issue closest to home and most destructive force , there isn’t a proper football man in the board room other than peter and that’s killed us , Yet Teflon Tony is still in place, if he is the root of the problem you would have hoped our successful business family would have sussed him out by now.
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 12, 2019 18:51:38 GMT
Of course he hesitated bayern over Hughes, he was being asked by many fans to sack a guy who had an outstanding record. Tony Waddington could have been sacked a number of times based on league placing in the 196O's, he wasn't and we went on to win the only major trophy in our history. With hindsight it's easy to say Hughes should have gone earlier, Coates must have believed he could still turn it round, that doesn't prove he's inept just that he probably made an error of judgement in this case.
It’s not hindsight is it? There was quite a few people who wanted him gone after the Arsenal game and most wouldn’t have batted an eyelid about it then. The 4000 at the end of the game that stayed were testament to the apathy around that whole campaign. No hindsight needed. If we look at the 4th season of Hughes he finished 13th, 2 points off 8th place. There is no way Peter Coates could have sacked Hughes at that point, he was right to let him start his 5th season in charge in my opinion. It then becomes an issue of how far into that season should Coates have allowed Hughes to continue after such a poor start, he probably gave him around 13 games to many. I have no problem with a manager having a poor season, it appears in football today though that most fans will not tolerate that.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 12, 2019 19:01:12 GMT
Sounds like a man who hasn't learnt a thing
Read Mills in 89, Hughes in 17
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