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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 10, 2019 10:16:37 GMT
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 10, 2019 10:18:14 GMT
And no I’m not talking about this site. The environment around the club has been toxic since our first game in the championship. Impatient fans and booing the team every game has created this pressure on the players and management. People will say oh we gave them a chance. Rowett got half a season and Nathan has got 6 games (with his own players) and the team got booed 2 games in to his appointment. You can say Rowett got sacked because he had a pop at the fans. I don’t blame him. We as fans are disgraceful, Nathan comes out after home games and says “the fans were brilliant” and I think that’s complete bullshit. I sit and watch fans screaming abuse at our own players as soon as a single mistake is made. Booing, groaning impatient. I wouldn’t blame the players if they are thinking why should I play for this lot. People say there is a disconnection between the players and fans. As a player why would you want to be connected to bill from blurton who’s been shouting abuse at you calling you shit and useless since your first misplace pass or dispossession. Think its a culmination of 3 years of shit and frustration to be honest.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 10, 2019 10:23:35 GMT
Feels like all I see is tools blaming everything on our support. Not just people on here either Some are so blinkered they can not see what is blatantly obvious, they are grasping at straws trying to deflect from the truth, we are a very badly run club, we have surrendered our PL status without a whimper, we kept Hughes two seasons too long, we then compounded it by employing three shocking managers and gave them a free rein to sign some of the shittest players available on long contracts, kept Scholes and Cartwright in jobs they have failed miserably to carry out, we have had promises from the board and the managers none have been delivered, we now sit firmly rooted to the foot of Div 2 with 1 point from 18, 3 League wins in 27 League match's the football on offer is basically shit what do people expect ? Blame the supporters FFS !!!!!!
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Post by onionman on Sept 10, 2019 10:43:38 GMT
I remember once going to a restaurant and ordering a spaghetti bolognese, but got served a small pile of manure on some half-cooked worms. It was my own fault because myself and the other customers had created a toxic environment.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 10, 2019 11:13:58 GMT
Feels like all I see is tools blaming everything on our support. Not just people on here either Some are so blinkered they can not see what is blatantly obvious, they are grasping at straws trying to deflect from the truth, we are a very badly run club, we have surrendered our PL status without a whimper, we kept Hughes two seasons too long, we then compounded it by employing three shocking managers and gave them a free rein to sign some of the shittest players available on long contracts, kept Scholes and Cartwright in jobs they have failed miserably to carry out, we have had promises from the board and the managers none have been delivered, we now sit firmly rooted to the foot of Div 2 with 1 point from 18, 3 League wins in 27 League match's the football on offer is basically shit what do people expect ? Blame the supporters FFS !!!!!!
Amazing to think that about 5 years ago, people were holding us aloft as some kind of blueprint of how a "smaller" club, who've come up to the Prem from the Champ, should be run.
Now we're the perfect design to follow if you want to completely fuck yourselves and turn into an absolute bag of shite in a couple of seasons.
But yeah mate.....as he says, that's all OUR fault
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 10, 2019 11:46:28 GMT
Utter fucking horseshit. Some are so quick to slate and blame the fans, but do you know what that is? Just another extension of the dick measuring we see on threads about how long you've been a Stokie and how many games you go to.
The fans could have really been horrible cunts after the shit we've been dealt and continue to be faced with.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 10, 2019 11:49:04 GMT
On a positive note if things are ‘toxic’ at least it shows people are caring and hurting. It’s apathy you have to worry about not toxicity. That means people have given up and will stop coming and the downward spiral will be complete.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 10, 2019 11:51:09 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. You forgot nearly four seasons since we won with a 90th minute goal
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Post by Davef on Sept 10, 2019 11:52:32 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. You forgot nearly four seasons since we won with a 90th minute goal I forgot a few things... there's plenty to embarrass us if you care to look more deeply into it.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 10, 2019 12:00:59 GMT
Its a good job we were never named Stoke United.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 10, 2019 12:03:07 GMT
You forgot nearly four seasons since we won with a 90th minute goal I forgot a few things... there's plenty to embarrass us if you care to look more deeply into it. It's a shame there's no more fanzine, this current mess would make a fascinating article in a few years' time.
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Post by marrer on Sept 10, 2019 12:55:49 GMT
More 'it's the fans' fucking bollocks. It's a Stoke on Trent disease and its completely fucking moronic. But you know he's not saying that don't you momo. I agree we're rubbish and the problems seem to go beyond the manager. Id love to see the CEO get the boot because I can't imagine how a CEO in any other company presiding over such a deterioration would survive. However as bad as they are, we can either create an environment to lift them, we can be do nothing, or we can create an environment that makes it harder for them. If we think it's shit and believe it's our right to boo, we'd probably be best giving it a miss for a few months and going fishing both for our own mental wellbeing and the benefit of the players.
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Post by rawli on Sept 10, 2019 13:08:20 GMT
I understand why the atmosphere is poor - we've barely had anything to cheer about for years. Literally years. I don't blame the supporters. However, if I was a player, I really wouldn't enjoy playing at home. I know they are paid crazy money but the tension around the place is tangible and leads to them not daring to take risks.
It's catch 22 as the only way to break the cycle is a win.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 10, 2019 13:13:01 GMT
Remember that time Clucas scored last season and his first reaction wasn't to celebrate but, instead, to shush the fans.
Totally the fans fault...
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 10, 2019 13:16:48 GMT
I will say it again. The support away is much louder and more positive (until we let the second in again) and yet we still manage to play shit
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 13:23:20 GMT
You forgot nearly four seasons since we won with a 90th minute goal I forgot a few things... there's plenty to embarrass us if you care to look more deeply into it. The worst thing is in one of the interviews this season the manager didn't even know we hadn't scored 3 goals in a game in how ever many years it is now. How did he not even know.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 10, 2019 14:13:05 GMT
Opened the thread expecting the OP to be waxing nostalgic about the old Boothen End toilets,now there was a noxious environment.....
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Post by questionable on Sept 10, 2019 14:26:35 GMT
"The majority of our players are robots, and for me it's only going to get worse. We don't have any strikers, and we don't have any defenders who want to defend."
Heard this regarding Scotland’s performance last night and fits us down to a tee
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 10, 2019 14:48:48 GMT
More 'it's the fans' fucking bollocks. It's a Stoke on Trent disease and its completely fucking moronic. But you know he's not saying that don't you momo. I agree we're rubbish and the problems seem to go beyond the manager. Id love to see the CEO get the boot because I can't imagine how a CEO in any other company presiding over such a deterioration would survive. However as bad as they are, we can either create an environment to lift them, we can be do nothing, or we can create an environment that makes it harder for them. If we think it's shit and believe it's our right to boo, we'd probably be best giving it a miss for a few months and going fishing both for our own mental wellbeing and the benefit of the players. The support is generally really positive until the wheels come off though. And when confronted by that level of gutlessness, weakness and general ineptitude, there isn't a set of fans in the country who'd react differently.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 10, 2019 14:55:03 GMT
So, all those fans who are becoming somewhat irritable and nervous at the prospect of us getting left behind by the rest of the league, should stay away??? Is that what you're suggesting???
There'd be no fucker left only a few happy clappers!!!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 10, 2019 15:24:29 GMT
So, all those fans who are becoming somewhat irritable and nervous at the prospect of us getting left behind by the rest of the league, should stay away??? Is that what you're suggesting??? There'd be no fucker left only a few happy clappers!!! These types of fans aren’t happy clappers. They’re high and mighty quims with a penchant for sanctimonious bellendery, case in point here.
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 10, 2019 15:31:12 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. This.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 10, 2019 15:44:07 GMT
You only needed to be at Elland Road the other week to see that if the team does something, anything, to make us even remotely proud of them then the fans will respond magnificently
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 10, 2019 15:56:18 GMT
We've fallen from ninth place in the Premier League to bottom of the Championship in just over three years. We haven't had a positive goal difference for over four years. Our new manager has three wins in 26 league games, and none in his last twelve. We haven't scored three goals in 78 games. Harry Kane scored as many penalties last week than our entire team has in two years. But it's all the fans' fault. And that’s just on the pitch. Season ticket holders unable to gain access to the ground and missing a good portion of a game. Horrifying reports of unsafe food storage. Reports of unsanitary food service. Inability to manage to serve a cold beer. A broadcast service for overseas fans that, whilst costing good money, never really worked properly once. On a personal level I have never managed to get the club to answer a single email regarding the above despite 5 or 6 emails to the club. Never mind any sort of refund. Thats before you get to a manager that tells us we own a Rolls Royce but all we’ve ever seen is A Raleigh Chopper, and that’s rusty as well. I’ve been to more away games in my years as a Stoke fan than home and to say that I am proud of our away support is an understatement of epic proportion. To see you guys, and know what it takes to get to, say Charlton, cost, time, family commitment. I bet the gallows humour is still effin hilarious some days too. You don’t get to blame them. sorry, rant over, I’m going to lie down under the air conditioning with a Guinness and wait for the Inger land game now 🏴 (Oh, and I bet I see at least one Stoke flag in the ground)
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 10, 2019 15:57:38 GMT
And no I’m not talking about this site. The environment around the club has been toxic since our first game in the championship. Impatient fans and booing the team every game has created this pressure on the players and management. People will say oh we gave them a chance. Rowett got half a season and Nathan has got 6 games (with his own players) and the team got booed 2 games in to his appointment. You can say Rowett got sacked because he had a pop at the fans. I don’t blame him. We as fans are disgraceful, Nathan comes out after home games and says “the fans were brilliant” and I think that’s complete bullshit. I sit and watch fans screaming abuse at our own players as soon as a single mistake is made. Booing, groaning impatient. I wouldn’t blame the players if they are thinking why should I play for this lot. People say there is a disconnection between the players and fans. As a player why would you want to be connected to bill from blurton who’s been shouting abuse at you calling you shit and useless since your first misplace pass or dispossession. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😎
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 10, 2019 16:15:13 GMT
This board has definitely got toxic but the atmosphere at the ground has held up pretty well considering with one or two dishonourable exceptions, particularly the booing of Afobe against QPR which pretty has much secured his departure from the club and I'm sure will have had a pretty poor effect on squad morale.
A crowd that gets behind it's team regardless of results and performance can have a massive influence on the squad. In Leicester's first season back in the Premiership their fans were magnificent and played a big part in keeping them up - and got rewarded handsomely the following season. By way of contrast the season Newcastle last got relegated from the Premier League their much lauded fans were awful and almost certainly contributed to the downward spiral in the team's performance that saw them go down.
I'm not suggesting we are anywhere near as bad as the Newcastle fans that season - but equally we are nowhere near making the contribution the Leicester fans made to their survival and subsequent success. I get there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism - but the constant tirade of negativity or even the passive aggression of walking out early is bound to have a negative effect on the performance of the team.
At the moment as supporters our net effect on the team is probably a bit on the negative side - but I don't see any signs of it becoming a net positive any time soon. Which is a shame because we could make a difference. What I don't get is those posters who think pouring out a constant stream of negative bile will improve our situation. Even if it is in anyway justified it's really missing the point of, you know, actually supporting the team when they need it most?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 16:21:05 GMT
This board has definitely got toxic but the atmosphere at the ground has held up pretty well considering with one or two dishonourable exceptions, particularly the booing of Afobe against QPR which pretty has much secured his departure from the club and I'm sure will have had a pretty poor effect on squad morale. A crowd that gets behind it's team regardless of results and performance can have a massive influence on the squad. In Leicester's first season back in the Premiership their fans were magnificent and played a big part in keeping them up - and got rewarded handsomely the following season. By way of contrast the season Newcastle last got relegated from the Premier League their much lauded fans were awful and almost certainly contributed to the downward spiral in the team's performance that saw them go down. I'm not suggesting we are anywhere near as bad as the Newcastle fans that season - but equally we are nowhere near making the contribution the Leicester fans made to their survival and subsequent success. I get there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism - but the constant tirade of negativity or even the passive aggression of walking out early is bound to have a negative effect on the performance of the team. At the moment as supporters our net effect on the team is probably a bit on the negative side - but I don't see any signs of it becoming a net positive any time soon. Which is a shame because we could make a difference. What I don't get is those posters who think pouring out a constant stream of negative bile will improve our situation. Even if it is in anyway justified it's really missing the point of, you know, actually supporting the team when they need it most? Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 10, 2019 17:05:08 GMT
This board has definitely got toxic but the atmosphere at the ground has held up pretty well considering with one or two dishonourable exceptions, particularly the booing of Afobe against QPR which pretty has much secured his departure from the club and I'm sure will have had a pretty poor effect on squad morale. A crowd that gets behind it's team regardless of results and performance can have a massive influence on the squad. In Leicester's first season back in the Premiership their fans were magnificent and played a big part in keeping them up - and got rewarded handsomely the following season. By way of contrast the season Newcastle last got relegated from the Premier League their much lauded fans were awful and almost certainly contributed to the downward spiral in the team's performance that saw them go down. I'm not suggesting we are anywhere near as bad as the Newcastle fans that season - but equally we are nowhere near making the contribution the Leicester fans made to their survival and subsequent success. I get there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism - but the constant tirade of negativity or even the passive aggression of walking out early is bound to have a negative effect on the performance of the team. At the moment as supporters our net effect on the team is probably a bit on the negative side - but I don't see any signs of it becoming a net positive any time soon. Which is a shame because we could make a difference. What I don't get is those posters who think pouring out a constant stream of negative bile will improve our situation. Even if it is in anyway justified it's really missing the point of, you know, actually supporting the team when they need it most? Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 Afobe is now playing for a manager who has the ability to recognise and play to his strengths, unsurprisingly he is scoring goals strange that but obviously our players are only wank because of the supporters nothing to do with the manager or themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 17:10:10 GMT
Odd that you keep going on about the fans being responsible for Afobe leaving and not the fact that he was he was played as a lone striker by Rowett and Jones then tried to shoehorn him into a diamond. Was definitely the fans fault we had two managers who didn’t see the need to play to a very expensive striker’s strengths 🤔 Afobe is now playing for a manager who has the ability to recognise and play to his strengths, unsurprisingly he is scoring goals strange that but obviously our players are only wank because of the supporters nothing to do with the manager or themselves. Yep. I saw on his first interviews there and one of his first comments was about being happy to be in a team that wanted to play to his strengths.... interesting!
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Post by thehoof on Sept 10, 2019 17:59:05 GMT
And no I’m not talking about this site. The environment around the club has been toxic since our first game in the championship. Impatient fans and booing the team every game has created this pressure on the players and management. People will say oh we gave them a chance. Rowett got half a season and Nathan has got 6 games (with his own players) and the team got booed 2 games in to his appointment. You can say Rowett got sacked because he had a pop at the fans. I don’t blame him. We as fans are disgraceful, Nathan comes out after home games and says “the fans were brilliant” and I think that’s complete bullshit. I sit and watch fans screaming abuse at our own players as soon as a single mistake is made. Booing, groaning impatient. I wouldn’t blame the players if they are thinking why should I play for this lot. People say there is a disconnection between the players and fans. As a player why would you want to be connected to bill from blurton who’s been shouting abuse at you calling you shit and useless since your first misplace pass or dispossession. Please explain our abject performances away then, where there has been little booing despite getting rammed all 3 games. If the players don’t like it, start earning their money, play with some passion and stop looking like Little Bo Peep every time they are put under a smidgeon of pressure.
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