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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 11, 2019 16:51:04 GMT
Barkley's first instinct is to run with the ball. Both good players but flawed perhaps I know everyone is keen for Madison to play - & why not - but for me the outstanding international midfielder is Foden. Henderson or Rice but not both and possibly neither, Winks could play in front of the back four. I don't understand Henderson and Rice in the same team as Rice plays the holding role and Henderson looks like a spare part further forward. We may need two holding midfielders against better opposition but against these group teams not really! The number 10, Barkley, often turned back instead of 'running with the ball' with a dynamic front three ahead of him! Saying that and the fact there were two holding midfielders didn't give any protection anyway! Henderson was really poor. I don't think he goes well with rice! I'm not worried about the back 4 as Gomez will come in to replace Keane, and that leaves the best back four we've had for a long time. The problem is midfield. Against the Dutch and last night they were pressed and weren't good enough. Barkley isn't good enough, Rice is still learning but needs a ball player with him in a game like that so we can play through midfield. Against the best teams we have to have Winks in the team. He's the only player we have who can get his foot on the ball and change the tempo of a game,Henderson can't do that. We only need one from henderson or rice, Winks, then I'd try Maddison instead of Barkley
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 7:51:56 GMT
I think your argument was mixed up in the James Justin thread, but well done you. Danny Rose isn't much better though, so rather than revel in being proved right, suggest where England might improve. How Keane gets into an England side staggers me, and John Stones looks better but makes mistakes. Gomez looks the best bet really and I like the look of Tyrone Mings...he's a left footer, quick and skilful, but Villa still bedding in I guess. Foden should come to the fore but not until next season. However, once he's in, you'd expect him to be in for years. Rice could well revert back to centre back in due course which might help, but currently, our midfield is shambolic. I’m not revelling in anything. I just thought it was fucking odd and still do. What does he do? None of the defenders we have are any good. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 8:05:57 GMT
I think your argument was mixed up in the James Justin thread, but well done you. Danny Rose isn't much better though, so rather than revel in being proved right, suggest where England might improve. How Keane gets into an England side staggers me, and John Stones looks better but makes mistakes. Gomez looks the best bet really and I like the look of Tyrone Mings...he's a left footer, quick and skilful, but Villa still bedding in I guess. Foden should come to the fore but not until next season. However, once he's in, you'd expect him to be in for years. Rice could well revert back to centre back in due course which might help, but currently, our midfield is shambolic. I’m not revelling in anything. I just thought it was fucking odd and still do. What does he do? None of the defenders we have are any good. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Chilwell was poor and even hit 2 awful crosses straight out for goal kicks. However, what was your opinion of Alexander-Arnold? Because he was even worse, so much so Kyle Walker popped into my head and I think he's wank.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 8:06:52 GMT
I’m not revelling in anything. I just thought it was fucking odd and still do. What does he do? None of the defenders we have are any good. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Chilwell was poor and even hit 2 awful crosses straight out for goal kicks. However, what was your opinion of Alexander-Arnold? Because he was even worse, so much so Kyle Walker popped into my head and I think he's wank. He looked disinterested.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 8:07:54 GMT
Euro 20 looks to be coming too soon for our midfield but I'm fully expecting Foden and Maddison (also Mount by the looks of it) to be running the show come the next World Cup so I'm hopeful on that front.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 8:08:55 GMT
Chilwell was poor and even hit 2 awful crosses straight out for goal kicks. However, what was your opinion of Alexander-Arnold? Because he was even worse, so much so Kyle Walker popped into my head and I think he's wank. He looked disinterested. One of many I'm afraid. The attitude shown by our players in the second half was shocking, it was pissing me off.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 12, 2019 8:19:27 GMT
Chilwell was poor and even hit 2 awful crosses straight out for goal kicks. However, what was your opinion of Alexander-Arnold? Because he was even worse, so much so Kyle Walker popped into my head and I think he's wank. He looked disinterested. Neither Alexander Arnold or Chilwell are full backs though are they? Neither can defend, head or tackle to save their lives. They are much better going forward but on Tuesday both were shocking. The trouble is when your fullbacks get caught upfield all the time and your defensive mids are shit it exposes the two lumbering centre halves and the flapper of a keeper for what they are.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 8:20:44 GMT
Neither Alexander Arnold or Chilwell are full backs though are they? Neither can defend, head or tackle to save their lives. They are much better going forward but on Tuesday both were shocking. The trouble is when your fullbacks get caught upfield all the time and your defensive mids are shit it exposes the two lumbering centre halves and the flapper of a keeper for what they are. I’ve never seen Chilwell go forward well tbh.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 12, 2019 8:22:12 GMT
Neither Alexander Arnold or Chilwell are full backs though are they? Neither can defend, head or tackle to save their lives. They are much better going forward but on Tuesday both were shocking. The trouble is when your fullbacks get caught upfield all the time and your defensive mids are shit it exposes the two lumbering centre halves and the flapper of a keeper for what they are. I’ve never seen Chilwell go forward well tbh. As has been mentioned his crossing was Pietersesque.
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 12, 2019 8:57:30 GMT
I’ve never seen Chilwell go forward well tbh. As has been mentioned his crossing was Pietersesque. That's a bit unfair on Pieters, at least an occasional Pieters cross would fly unexpectedly into the back of the net.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 12, 2019 9:26:53 GMT
I'm sure it's a conundrum for the manager. He's presented with what is currently the best attacking force in the world, but a defence that rivals Scotland. Some of the back four seemed just above Champs level and wouldn't do any better in the SCFC line up. Some of it is down to the Premiership again of course, which is attack focused and providing lots of players that meet that gegen-press demand. I'm not sure there's a lot out there at the moment that can improve the situation, so you hope Southgate can come up with something a lot better than we saw against Kosovo.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 12, 2019 12:01:44 GMT
I don't mind Henderson personally, but for me he'd be sitting in front of the back four with two, more creative, midfielders ahead of him. Those two midfielders should not be Ross Barkley and Declan Rice. Rice is young admittedly, and could go on to be a fine player, but I just don't particularly see it yet. Ross Barkley doesn't seem to have gotten any better since he was 19 which is worrying. Certainly wouldn't be in my starting 11. Awful again on Tuesday, as was Rice.
At full back - I like TAA for Liverpool but thought he had a torrid time on Tuesday. Perhaps he's allowed to not be great defensively in such a strong Liverpool side? I would fully expect Wan-Bissaka to make that position his own before too long as he's a great young player. His defensive instincts for someone that's grown up a winger are outstanding!
I was surprised at Kyle Walker's omission from the squad too. I'm not usually a huge fan of his but think he's been very good for Man City so far this season and offers much more than Trippier for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 12:17:28 GMT
I don't mind Henderson personally, but for me he'd be sitting in front of the back four with two, more creative, midfielders ahead of him. Those two midfielders should not be Ross Barkley and Declan Rice. Rice is young admittedly, and could go on to be a fine player, but I just don't particularly see it yet. Ross Barkley doesn't seem to have gotten any better since he was 19 which is worrying. Certainly wouldn't be in my starting 11. Awful again on Tuesday, as was Rice. At full back - I like TAA for Liverpool but thought he had a torrid time on Tuesday. Perhaps he's allowed to not be great defensively in such a strong Liverpool side? I would fully expect Wan-Bissaka to make that position his own before too long as he's a great young player. His defensive instincts for someone that's grown up a winger are outstanding! I was surprised at Kyle Walker's omission from the squad too. I'm not usually a huge fan of his but think he's been very good for Man City so far this season and offers much more than Trippier for me. Walker was being rested wasn’t he? Which seems fair with the others who were selected.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 12, 2019 12:30:03 GMT
I don't mind Henderson personally, but for me he'd be sitting in front of the back four with two, more creative, midfielders ahead of him. Those two midfielders should not be Ross Barkley and Declan Rice. Rice is young admittedly, and could go on to be a fine player, but I just don't particularly see it yet. Ross Barkley doesn't seem to have gotten any better since he was 19 which is worrying. Certainly wouldn't be in my starting 11. Awful again on Tuesday, as was Rice. At full back - I like TAA for Liverpool but thought he had a torrid time on Tuesday. Perhaps he's allowed to not be great defensively in such a strong Liverpool side? I would fully expect Wan-Bissaka to make that position his own before too long as he's a great young player. His defensive instincts for someone that's grown up a winger are outstanding! I was surprised at Kyle Walker's omission from the squad too. I'm not usually a huge fan of his but think he's been very good for Man City so far this season and offers much more than Trippier for me. Walker was being rested wasn’t he? Which seems fair with the others who were selected. Oh really? I wasn't aware, just assumed he'd been dropped. As I say I'm not his biggest fan as I think he can be sloppy on the ball at times, but he's been electric for city so far this term. Michael Keane shouldn't be anywhere near the team for me either. Bang average.
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 12, 2019 21:09:23 GMT
Curry would have been a perfect partner for rice!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 12, 2019 21:19:42 GMT
I think Southgate is banking on Oxlade-Chamberlain coming back and fitting into his midfield 3. If that doesn't work he'll have to look at his formation. The current one is all about the front three who are devastating but deficiencies in midfield leave our defence exposed and lack creativity.
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