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Post by crapslinger on Sept 9, 2019 16:22:54 GMT
People said we should be excited about the championship because "we will actually win more games and show more intent and it would be more exciting etc...." Just look at what we are watching. I didn't choose to be a Stoke fan, I was born one. I'll support the club and curse them with an honest distinction. The club that we can argue we too worked so hard and believed in has pretty much shat in our face and made us feel truly ungrateful for having some pretty accurate, open and honest opinions. I can't read threads like these and say "it's all ok guys we are still playing football, that's what matters". The truth is, it really isn't. Being at the top and having an identity is the measure of success and ambition, Stoke barely exist where I live currently and they only live in memory of who we were. People are genuinely shocked when I tell them where we are, although most football fans know we got relegated but not that we are bottom of an absolutely diabolical division. It's shit down here Ungrateful bastard we should be lapping up the situation we are in stop complaining or pointing out the obvious truth and happy clap our way to another relegation
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 16:25:13 GMT
People said we should be excited about the championship because "we will actually win more games and show more intent and it would be more exciting etc...." Just look at what we are watching. I didn't choose to be a Stoke fan, I was born one. I'll support the club and curse them with an honest distinction. The club that we can argue we too worked so hard and believed in has pretty much shat in our face and made us feel truly ungrateful for having some pretty accurate, open and honest opinions. I can't read threads like these and say "it's all ok guys we are still playing football, that's what matters". The truth is, it really isn't. Being at the top and having an identity is the measure of success and ambition, Stoke barely exist where I live currently and they only live in memory of who we were. People are genuinely shocked when I tell them where we are, although most football fans know we got relegated but not that we are bottom of an absolutely diabolical division. It's shit down here Ungrateful bastard we should be lapping up the situation we are in stop complaining or pointing out the obvious truth and happy clap our way to another relegation There is complaining, then there is constantly going on about it in hysterics every single fucking day. Quite simply, its fucking tedious and boring. If you used as much energy in supporting the team they might do better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:27:58 GMT
You’re like a rat stuck in a hole. I’ve said a number of times I can understand why people are calling for TP not championed him you buffoon. How can you see where they are coming from when you are complaining about lack of youth in the starting line up. You're a walking contradiction. Because we are in a right fucking mess you complete and utter moron. And someone needs to fix it. Verlinden has already gone which the only one I think genuinely wouldn’t get a look in but I think Collins in particular would. It’s not a fucking contradiction. You get what it says on the tin with TP, we’d be organised and we’d be safe from relegation. It’s pragmatism. Would I want it in an ideal world? No, like many no doubt. But it’s your hero whose got us into this mess and it’s him who promised young fast attacking football and signed a load of has beens. But you still seem to believe every word he says.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 16:30:04 GMT
How can you see where they are coming from when you are complaining about lack of youth in the starting line up. You're a walking contradiction. Because we are in a right fucking mess you complete and utter moron. And someone needs to fix it. Verlinden has already gone which the only one I think genuinely wouldn’t get a look in but I think Collins in particular would. It’s not a fucking contradiction. You get what it says on the tin with TP, we’d be organised and we’d be safe from relegation. It’s pragmatism. Would I want it in an ideal world? No, like many no doubt. But it’s your hero whose got us into this mess and it’s him who promised young fast attacking football and signed a load of has beens. But you still seem to believe every word he says. Best of it is you call jones a walking contradiction!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:31:19 GMT
Because we are in a right fucking mess you complete and utter moron. And someone needs to fix it. Verlinden has already gone which the only one I think genuinely wouldn’t get a look in but I think Collins in particular would. It’s not a fucking contradiction. You get what it says on the tin with TP, we’d be organised and we’d be safe from relegation. It’s pragmatism. Would I want it in an ideal world? No, like many no doubt. But it’s your hero whose got us into this mess and it’s him who promised young fast attacking football and signed a load of has beens. But you still seem to believe every word he says. Best of it is you call jones a walking contradiction!! What has he delivered that he said that he would deliver?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 16:32:51 GMT
Best of it is you call jones a walking contradiction!! What has he delivered that he said that he would deliver? He's not a postman it takes more than a few days. 6 games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:37:22 GMT
What has he delivered that he said that he would deliver? He's not a postman it takes more than a few days. 6 games. Nothing then. And it’s been 9 months and our squad is worse. Our performances are worse and our results are worse.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 16:45:13 GMT
He's not a postman it takes more than a few days. 6 games. Nothing then. And it’s been 9 months and our squad is worse. Our performances are worse and our results are worse. Our squad is not worse. For the final time, you are judging jones on last season when he has half a new squad to settle in this season. Last season when jones was appointed it was the general consensus he took over a dogs dinner of a squad. This group of players cannot take the stick for last seasons group. Judging after 6 games is simply ridiculous. People wanted rowett out exactly the same last year because we were not top of the league and started the season dire. We then went on a TEN game unbeaten run and at one point were 8 points of 6th place with still half a season to go. Clubs can and do go on 3'4'5 & more game winning runs in this division. Teams can start badly and speed up the table, (2 last year got promoted), teams can come fast out of the blocks and drop right back down, it happens, its football. 6 games means little in a 46 game season. Now put your dummy back in and behave
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Post by tosh on Sept 9, 2019 16:50:39 GMT
You’re like a rat stuck in a hole. I’ve said a number of times I can understand why people are calling for TP not championed him you buffoon. How can you see where they are coming from when you are complaining about lack of youth in the starting line up. You're a walking contradiction. Best of it is, you blame Jones for being one! A walking contradiction? Think that cap may fit you better my friend! The only rational explanation I can think of for your ridiculous statements is that you enjoy being a troll? Surely nobody in their right mind could follow up nailing their colours to Berahino’s mast until the bitter end, by then willingly and blindly happy clapping the misguided pied piper and his merry band of “super athletes” into the lower leagues? Nobody could really be that silly as to keep making the same mistakes, and backing obvious losers?. ...could they?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:50:40 GMT
Nothing then. And it’s been 9 months and our squad is worse. Our performances are worse and our results are worse. Our squad is not worse. For the final time, you are judging jones on last season when he has half a new squad to settle in this season. Last season when jones was appointed it was the general consensus he took over a dogs dinner of a squad. This group of players cannot take the stick for last seasons group. Judging after 6 games is simply ridiculous. People wanted rowett out exactly the same last year because we were not top of the league and started the season dire. We then went on a TEN game unbeaten run and at one point were 8 points of 6th place with still half a season to go. Clubs can and do go on 3'4'5 & more game winning runs in this division. Teams can start badly and speed up the table, (2 last year got promoted), teams can come fast out of the blocks and drop right back down, it happens, its football. 6 games means little in a 46 game season. Now put your dummy back in and behave Not one single signing is better than we had. Not one. Powell could have been but he's injured. He's playing with basically the same team as last season - he isn't even playing his new signings - what is that about? Probably because they've been worse than we had before. People make this point to you on a daily basis but then a new thread appears and you start on again!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 16:58:10 GMT
How can you see where they are coming from when you are complaining about lack of youth in the starting line up. You're a walking contradiction. Best of it is, you blame Jones for being one! A walking contradiction? Think that cap may fit you better my friend! The only rational explanation I can think of for your ridiculous statements is that you enjoy being a troll? Surely nobody in their right mind could follow up nailing their colours to Berahino’s mast until the bitter end, by then willingly and blindly happy clapping the misguided pied piper and his merry band of “super athletes” into the lower leagues? Nobody could really be that silly as to keep making the same mistakes, and backing obvious losers?. ...could they? You all wanted rowett gone, not me. I could see the situation for what it was. Deal with it, we are now in a transition period. If you want a timely reminder of the instant success changing the manager can bring then I suggest taking a closer look at what you are currently moaning about. You got your change of manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 17:04:30 GMT
A walking contradiction? Think that cap may fit you better my friend! The only rational explanation I can think of for your ridiculous statements is that you enjoy being a troll? Surely nobody in their right mind could follow up nailing their colours to Berahino’s mast until the bitter end, by then willingly and blindly happy clapping the misguided pied piper and his merry band of “super athletes” into the lower leagues? Nobody could really be that silly as to keep making the same mistakes, and backing obvious losers?. ...could they? You all wanted rowett gone, not me. I could see the situation for what it was. Deal with it, we are now in a transition period. If you want a timely reminder of the instant success changing the manager can bring then I suggest taking a closer look at what you are currently moaning about. You got your change of manager. What a plum.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 17:08:48 GMT
You all wanted rowett gone, not me. I could see the situation for what it was. Deal with it, we are now in a transition period. If you want a timely reminder of the instant success changing the manager can bring then I suggest taking a closer look at what you are currently moaning about. You got your change of manager. What a plum. It's right. I told you we would be back to square 1 if rowett was hounded out, we would be on stage 3 with GR now after 2 more windows.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 17:10:24 GMT
Guess what, if jones is sacked we will be back to square 1 'again' when we could have been at base 4 with GR's rebuild.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 9, 2019 17:12:52 GMT
Why rush back when we can get our arses served to us on a plate every week in the Championship instead, eh! People aren't fed up because we're in the Championship, they are fed up because we are shit. Go and support man utd or man city then, only an hour up the road, because incase you havnt noticed apart from the last ten years in which we peaked we have been bang average since the 70's and it's now 2019. You either like football or the premiership, if it's the latter then..off up the m6 with my blessing 😊👋 Following scfc you will see more of this than you will see of that We were actually rather good in the 70s
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 17:22:06 GMT
Go and support man utd or man city then, only an hour up the road, because incase you havnt noticed apart from the last ten years in which we peaked we have been bang average since the 70's and it's now 2019. You either like football or the premiership, if it's the latter then..off up the m6 with my blessing 😊👋 Following scfc you will see more of this than you will see of that We were actually rather good in the 70s I meant since after the 70's
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Post by loosestools on Sept 9, 2019 18:13:25 GMT
A walking contradiction? Think that cap may fit you better my friend! The only rational explanation I can think of for your ridiculous statements is that you enjoy being a troll? Surely nobody in their right mind could follow up nailing their colours to Berahino’s mast until the bitter end, by then willingly and blindly happy clapping the misguided pied piper and his merry band of “super athletes” into the lower leagues? Nobody could really be that silly as to keep making the same mistakes, and backing obvious losers?. ...could they? You all wanted rowett gone, not me. I could see the situation for what it was. Deal with it, we are now in a transition period. If you want a timely reminder of the instant success changing the manager can bring then I suggest taking a closer look at what you are currently moaning about. You got your change of manager. Oh fuck, - not this tripe again.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 18:19:35 GMT
You all wanted rowett gone, not me. I could see the situation for what it was. Deal with it, we are now in a transition period. If you want a timely reminder of the instant success changing the manager can bring then I suggest taking a closer look at what you are currently moaning about. You got your change of manager. Oh fuck, - not this tripe again. so we arn't in a transition period?
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Post by whakka on Sept 9, 2019 18:32:39 GMT
There will be Stoke games to watch and things to speak in foreseeable future, regardless of what league are we playing in. There will be also some ups around the corner despite of the current downs. What I'm trying to say that we should not be too fixated to play in the Prem again because that'll only take enjoyment out of supporting Stoke now. We shouldn't be living in the past or in the future... we are now in the Championship and despite of playing pretty badly we will be certainly not without drama this season. And we do have also lot to play for so the excitement will be there. Perhaps accepting where we are now and what we are playing for would also take some pressure of the players and manager and therefore could create a better atmosphere in and around the club resulting eventually better performance on the pitch too. We sat back in apathy as Hughes destroyed our club and our PL status, last season we watched us getting worse in a lower standard League, however never in real danger of relegation under Rowett, we bring in Jones who then wins 3 games in 4 months, 6 games in we are rooted to the bottom of the championship with a lunatic for a manager, there is very little enjoyment watching Stoke just now and hasn't been for three seasons. So you suggest we sit back watch the shit been served up happy clap us to another inevitable relegation to the third division, when do you suggest we stop been happy with our lot ? so now we have to sack every manager that that doesn't win every game?
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 9, 2019 18:36:49 GMT
A transition period that's seen us drop 23+ places since relegation.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 9, 2019 18:45:58 GMT
There will be Stoke games to watch and things to speak in foreseeable future, regardless of what league are we playing in. There will be also some ups around the corner despite of the current downs. What I'm trying to say that we should not be too fixated to play in the Prem again because that'll only take enjoyment out of supporting Stoke now. We shouldn't be living in the past or in the future... we are now in the Championship and despite of playing pretty badly we will be certainly not without drama this season. And we do have also lot to play for so the excitement will be there. Perhaps accepting where we are now and what we are playing for would also take some pressure of the players and manager and therefore could create a better atmosphere in and around the club resulting eventually better performance on the pitch too. Do we exist as a football club anymore? I don't know. There is absolutely no joy in supporting this club this last nearly 4 years, no ups just downs. It seems like everyone else is playing a different game than us.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 9, 2019 19:00:53 GMT
We sat back in apathy as Hughes destroyed our club and our PL status, last season we watched us getting worse in a lower standard League, however never in real danger of relegation under Rowett, we bring in Jones who then wins 3 games in 4 months, 6 games in we are rooted to the bottom of the championship with a lunatic for a manager, there is very little enjoyment watching Stoke just now and hasn't been for three seasons. So you suggest we sit back watch the shit been served up happy clap us to another inevitable relegation to the third division, when do you suggest we stop been happy with our lot ? so now we have to sack every manager that that doesn't win every game? When did we last win with Jones in charge in the League and that was without his players ?, have his signings improved the squad ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 9, 2019 19:02:23 GMT
There will be Stoke games to watch and things to speak in foreseeable future, regardless of what league are we playing in. There will be also some ups around the corner despite of the current downs. What I'm trying to say that we should not be too fixated to play in the Prem again because that'll only take enjoyment out of supporting Stoke now. We shouldn't be living in the past or in the future... we are now in the Championship and despite of playing pretty badly we will be certainly not without drama this season. And we do have also lot to play for so the excitement will be there. Perhaps accepting where we are now and what we are playing for would also take some pressure of the players and manager and therefore could create a better atmosphere in and around the club resulting eventually better performance on the pitch too. Do we exist as a football club anymore? I don't know. There is absolutely no joy in supporting this club this last nearly 4 years, no ups just downs. It seems like everyone else is playing a different game than us. And there is absolutely no excuse for us to be where we are now. People talk about it as if we were bound to be relegated sooner or later. It's bollocks. We had consolidated and improved, our plummet was entirely preventable.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 9, 2019 19:03:51 GMT
There will be Stoke games to watch and things to speak in foreseeable future, regardless of what league are we playing in. There will be also some ups around the corner despite of the current downs. What I'm trying to say that we should not be too fixated to play in the Prem again because that'll only take enjoyment out of supporting Stoke now. We shouldn't be living in the past or in the future... we are now in the Championship and despite of playing pretty badly we will be certainly not without drama this season. And we do have also lot to play for so the excitement will be there. Perhaps accepting where we are now and what we are playing for would also take some pressure of the players and manager and therefore could create a better atmosphere in and around the club resulting eventually better performance on the pitch too. Do we exist as a football club anymore? I don't know. There is absolutely no joy in supporting this club this last nearly 4 years, no ups just downs. It seems like everyone else is playing a different game than us. You think these are bad times , there have been times through our history where this feels still like a holiday , I know it feels like we’ve lost a Ferrari and took a reliant robin , but that what’s happen in football , we will be back but when I don’t know 🤷♀️
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Post by thehoof on Sept 9, 2019 19:21:49 GMT
For the 47th time today, Rowett was sacked because he had a big gob and wasted £50m. There is a reason he hasn't got another job. Just because Jones is even worse doesn't make him any better. The reason he probably hasn't got a job is because scfc are probably still paying his wages until he does. Either that OR if his contract has been paid up for 6 month work why would he rush back into any job when he can wait for the one that suits him, Rowett's position was made worse ( a lot worse) because he didn't rate a player that is now playing in a no mark league and has scored 1 goal. Bojan bojan bojan, all we heard last season. Jokers. Jesus BG what’s wrong with you? Rowett was useless, the football was appalling culminating in the shit fest at Bolton; just look at the situation they were in, culminating in where they are now and we were really lucky to get a nil nil draw. Unfortunately we made a bad situation worse in appointing Jones, who is stuck with the £50m of rubbish that your hero Rowett lumbered him with! Stop this shit about 6 games and fickle as ****- it’s 29 games no matter how you dress it up. I wonder how long it will take Cowley and Monk to win 3 games with the squads they have inherited?
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Post by Ron on Sept 9, 2019 19:33:49 GMT
There’s some condescending tripe in this thread. People getting high n mighty referring to any dissenting voice as a Johnny come lately. I like many other fans who were there when we last got relegated to the third tier are not happy with our current position. We are where we are because of the incompetence of those in charge of the club. There is no way we should be where we are with the platform we had to build on- it isn’t acceptable! Yet many just have the attitude that we should just be content with it!
I do wish the dick measuring would stop! Folk are not lesser supporters simply because they’re not happy! Yet some on here seem to think you only appeared in 2008 if you dare have a desire to see your team return to the division we’ve been in for 10 years!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 9, 2019 19:36:07 GMT
Is this another one of those "I'm older, so therefore my opinion on Stoke and football is more valid" dick measuring contests again?
FWIW i'm in my forties, been a Stoke supporter for about 38 years and i think we're shite if that's ok, and (this is the disgraceful bit...the bit that will apparently make me seem like a JCL) i actually WOULD like to see us get promoted to the Prem as well. What's the other plan exactly, get a team that gel, work together, we're proud of, finish top 2 then say "Actually EFL, is it ok if we stay in the Championship 'cos we prefer it here"? Yes, there will be younger people who won't have spent years of being used to us being shit...but that's not a badge of honour they should aspire to is it, just because they happened to be born in a different year? Yes, a lot of us will be of an age where lower league football is pretty much all we've known most of our lives, but that doesn't mean we should just accept it because we've had it before. What's wrong with being fucked off when we're a general embarrassment and have been for a long time? What's wrong with being pissed off that we've brought in an entire first team over the summer and look even worse than we did last year? We're currently bottom of the league with 1 point out of a possible 18, and we shouldn't get pissed off just because we don't like the morals of the Prem and it's a shit league anyway?
If we don't want to get promoted, then why are we even supporting a team in a COMPETITIVE sport? What the fuck are we competing for exactly?
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 9, 2019 19:37:51 GMT
For the 47th time today, Rowett was sacked because he had a big gob and wasted £50m. There is a reason he hasn't got another job. Just because Jones is even worse doesn't make him any better. The reason he probably hasn't got a job is because scfc are probably still paying his wages until he does. Either that OR if his contract has been paid up for 6 month work why would he rush back into any job when he can wait for the one that suits him, Rowett's position was made worse ( a lot worse) because he didn't rate a player that is now playing in a no mark league and has scored 1 goal. Bojan bojan bojan, all we heard last season. Jokers. God you do talk bollocks mate. Does it come easy or do you have to work at it
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 9, 2019 19:40:55 GMT
The reason he probably hasn't got a job is because scfc are probably still paying his wages until he does. Either that OR if his contract has been paid up for 6 month work why would he rush back into any job when he can wait for the one that suits him, Rowett's position was made worse ( a lot worse) because he didn't rate a player that is now playing in a no mark league and has scored 1 goal. Bojan bojan bojan, all we heard last season. Jokers. Jesus BG what’s wrong with you? Rowett was useless, the football was appalling culminating in the shit fest at Bolton; just look at the situation they were in, culminating in where they are now and we were really lucky to get a nil nil draw. Unfortunately we made a bad situation worse in appointing Jones, who is stuck with the £50m of rubbish that your hero Rowett lumbered him with! Stop this shit about 6 games and fickle as ****- it’s 29 games no matter how you dress it up. I wonder how long it will take Cowley and Monk to win 3 games with the squads they have inherited? GR was in stage one of a massive rebuild, winning the league was a pipe dream, it was never going go happen, that squad was dire. I stand by what I originally said, that squad needed the spend just to tread water. People expected too much too soon regardless of how much we spent, we still had a whole host of shite we had to call first team players that we couldn't shift. On to jones, Is it jones' fault that 3 of rowett's biggest buys dont fit how he prefers to play? I dont think so. He is trying to accommodate ince & mclean because we cant move them on, if we could we would have had a left back and a better number 10. Ince isn't a #10 and mclean isn't a LB. If you're giving one man big money to spend you dont sack him 6 month later. You also then don't then employ a man that utilises a system that doesn't suit the big buys the last manager paid for who are on long contracts. Also, after you have completed that cluster fuck you don't then sack a manager 6 games after backing him with 10 new players that very summer.. can you see a pattern developing?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 19:49:49 GMT
Jesus BG what’s wrong with you? Rowett was useless, the football was appalling culminating in the shit fest at Bolton; just look at the situation they were in, culminating in where they are now and we were really lucky to get a nil nil draw. Unfortunately we made a bad situation worse in appointing Jones, who is stuck with the £50m of rubbish that your hero Rowett lumbered him with! Stop this shit about 6 games and fickle as ****- it’s 29 games no matter how you dress it up. I wonder how long it will take Cowley and Monk to win 3 games with the squads they have inherited? GR was in stage one of a massive rebuild, winning the league was a pipe dream, it was never going go happen, that squad was dire. I stand by what I originally said, that squad needed the spend just to tread water. People expected too much too soon regardless of how much we spent, we still had a whole host of shite we had to call first team players that we couldn't shift. On to jones, Is it jones' fault that 3 of rowett's biggest buys dont fit how he prefers to play? I dont think so. He is trying to accommodate ince & mclean because we cant move them on, if we could we would have had a left back and a better number 10. Ince isn't a #10 and mclean isn't a LB. If you're giving one man big money to spend you dont sack him 6 month later. You also then don't then employ a man that utilises a system that doesn't suit the big buys the last manager paid for who are on long contracts. Also, after you have completed that cluster fuck you don't then sack a manager 6 games after backing him with 10 new players that very summer.. can you see a pattern developing? So Ince McClean and Afobe were GRs idea of a front 3? They didn’t even fit how he wanted to play and he bought them to play there? You not seeing a pattern forming of managers not getting players that are better than what we have and not fitting THEIR system.
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