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Post by mattyd on Sept 5, 2019 11:12:41 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 5, 2019 12:27:12 GMT
I was thinking similar Car Boot or Garage clearance sales, we have gone from chasing ex Barca. players to Wigan, Barnsley, Millwall and Burnley cast offs and our owners are expecting to make play off's minimum
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Post by Gods on Sept 5, 2019 13:24:15 GMT
Lots of gallows humour but of all the threads on here this is easily the most depressing.
It's like the week reality hit home.
I dared to hope that somehow these 12 players, none of whom I'd ever heard of, would gel together under the stewardship of Nathan and team as a fighting unit better than the sum of its constituent parts.
But none of it, not so far anyway.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 5, 2019 15:37:03 GMT
Lots of gallows humour but of all the threads on here this is easily the most depressing. It's like the week reality hit home. I dared to hope that somehow these 12 players, none of whom I'd ever heard of, would gel together under the stewardship of Nathan and team as a fighting unit better than the sum of its constituent parts. But none of it, not so far anyway. They are in fact the polar opposite of what Jones promised, the only way to get these fuckers to come together as a cohesive unit would be to superglue them to one another.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 15:42:16 GMT
Lots of gallows humour but of all the threads on here this is easily the most depressing. It's like the week reality hit home. I dared to hope that somehow these 12 players, none of whom I'd ever heard of, would gel together under the stewardship of Nathan and team as a fighting unit better than the sum of its constituent parts. But none of it, not so far anyway. They are in fact the polar opposite of what Jones promised, the only way to get these fuckers to come together as a cohesive unit would be to superglue them to one another. I don’t think think it’s just that. Obviously they don’t fit together which is the biggest problem but also we don’t know them. There’s only 3 that have been here more than a season. It’s a weird place to be in really.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 5, 2019 15:44:50 GMT
They are in fact the polar opposite of what Jones promised, the only way to get these fuckers to come together as a cohesive unit would be to superglue them to one another. I don’t think think it’s just that. Obviously they don’t fit together which is the biggest problem but also we don’t know them. There’s only 3 that have been here more than a season. It’s a weird place to be in really. It is little wonder we are bottom of the League considering that, plus we have a manager who appears to know fuck all about what to do next.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 5, 2019 15:50:01 GMT
Lots of gallows humour but of all the threads on here this is easily the most depressing. It's like the week reality hit home. I dared to hope that somehow these 12 players, none of whom I'd ever heard of, would gel together under the stewardship of Nathan and team as a fighting unit better than the sum of its constituent parts. But none of it, not so far anyway. I would not like to be in the trenches fighting for survival with these useless rag tag cowards alongside me.
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Post by pottermouth on Sept 5, 2019 22:23:48 GMT
All good players. Ward can run faster than verlinden I've seen it. 😂!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 22:33:49 GMT
Some of em are o rate - the rest are shite.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 8:54:02 GMT
Some of em are o rate - the rest are shite. Which would you rate as ok out of interest, for me Gregory is a grafter and gives his all and Batth has shown signs he can defend although his distribution is awful, the rest maybe Hogan adds something the rest are pretty shit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 9:01:21 GMT
Pretty is too kind, craps. F'ing is what they are. I've been watching football since being but a lad, these are terrible. I still cannot believe how this has come to pass! A terrible mess!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 9:52:19 GMT
Pretty is too kind, craps. F'ing is what they are. I've been watching football since being but a lad, these are terrible. I still cannot believe how this has come to pass! A terrible mess! I was trying to be kind which is unlike me really, I was hoping against all hope that my initial assessment of Jones as a chancer was wrong, he has promised a team to be proud of, fast attacking football, young hungry athletic players etc, he asked to be judged on his team after a full pre season, well that time is here we have a team to be ashamed of, slow boring football, ageing crocked or shit players and a manager who is totally out of his depth, we are in big trouble and heading rapidly to the lower leagues yet we still have supporters including relatively high profile calling for him to be given more time !!!! Why ??????????????????
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Post by tpholloway1 on Sept 6, 2019 12:18:00 GMT
Pretty is too kind, craps. F'ing is what they are. I've been watching football since being but a lad, these are terrible. I still cannot believe how this has come to pass! A terrible mess! I was trying to be kind which is unlike me really, I was hoping against all hope that my initial assessment of Jones as a chancer was wrong, he has promised a team to be proud of, fast attacking football, young hungry athletic players etc, he asked to be judged on his team after a full pre season, well that time is here we have a team to be ashamed of, slow boring football, ageing crocked or shit players and a manager who is totally out of his depth, we are in big trouble and heading rapidly to the lower leagues yet we still have supporters including relatively high profile calling for him to be given more time !!!! Why ?????????????????? I think one of the main worries for me was amongst the "young, hungry, athletic" attributes he extolled there was no mention of skill - and having watched them I can see why.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 14:17:52 GMT
I was trying to be kind which is unlike me really, I was hoping against all hope that my initial assessment of Jones as a chancer was wrong, he has promised a team to be proud of, fast attacking football, young hungry athletic players etc, he asked to be judged on his team after a full pre season, well that time is here we have a team to be ashamed of, slow boring football, ageing crocked or shit players and a manager who is totally out of his depth, we are in big trouble and heading rapidly to the lower leagues yet we still have supporters including relatively high profile calling for him to be given more time !!!! Why ?????????????????? I think one of the main worries for me was amongst the "young, hungry, athletic" attributes he extolled there was no mention of skill - and having watched them I can see why. His pathetic attempt at skill looks like it was Powell the walking or limping sick note.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 6, 2019 15:19:53 GMT
I’ve had subbuteo players with more pace and movement.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 16:37:59 GMT
I’ve had subbuteo players with more pace and movement. At least they got kicked up the backside unlike ours who don't appear to have any motivation to move about the pitch
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 6, 2019 17:07:34 GMT
So if our players are so awful what exactly is the point of sacking Jones? If they're that bad a new manager isn't going to make a blind but of difference - if anything a new manager will make things worse as he'll be working with players he didn't choose (as per Lambert).
If we've got shit players, a shit manager and a shit board surely relegation is inevitable? So why stress about it? Why bother going to games when defeat is inevitable? May as well look forward to like back in the third tier.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 17:16:40 GMT
So if our players are so awful what exactly is the point of sacking Jones? If they're that bad a new manager isn't going to make a blind but of difference - if anything a new manager will make things worse as he'll be working with players he didn't choose (as per Lambert). If we've got shit players, a shit manager and a shit board surely relegation is inevitable? So why stress about it? Why bother going to games when defeat is inevitable? May as well look forward to like back in the third tier. Lambert sorted the defence. He was able to work with the players he had even though it wasn’t enough in the end
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 17:29:40 GMT
So if our players are so awful what exactly is the point of sacking Jones? If they're that bad a new manager isn't going to make a blind but of difference - if anything a new manager will make things worse as he'll be working with players he didn't choose (as per Lambert). If we've got shit players, a shit manager and a shit board surely relegation is inevitable? So why stress about it? Why bother going to games when defeat is inevitable? May as well look forward to like back in the third tier. Lambert sorted the defence. He was able to work with the players he had even though it wasn’t enough in the end I would wager he had a better record than Jones pro rata and that was the PL arguably the best League in the World, he at least was able to organise a team unlike Nathan who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 17:33:10 GMT
Lambert sorted the defence. He was able to work with the players he had even though it wasn’t enough in the end I would wager he had a better record than Jones pro rata and that was the PL arguably the best League in the World, he at least was able to organise a team unlike Nathan who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. Pejics latest column seems to put much of the blame in the managers court: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-pejic-jones-birmingham-3290406
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 17:36:25 GMT
So if our players are so awful what exactly is the point of sacking Jones? If they're that bad a new manager isn't going to make a blind but of difference - if anything a new manager will make things worse as he'll be working with players he didn't choose (as per Lambert). If we've got shit players, a shit manager and a shit board surely relegation is inevitable? So why stress about it? Why bother going to games when defeat is inevitable? May as well look forward to like back in the third tier. Most managers are not afforded the luxury of bringing in a whole new team in any organisation, Jones has had that luxury at Stoke, he proved last season he didn't have the skills to get the best out of the squad he inherited, these are his players, his system, his responsibility. Any good manager finds a strategy to work with team members get's the very best out of them he has failed on all counts.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 6, 2019 19:41:31 GMT
So if our players are so awful what exactly is the point of sacking Jones? If they're that bad a new manager isn't going to make a blind but of difference - if anything a new manager will make things worse as he'll be working with players he didn't choose (as per Lambert). If we've got shit players, a shit manager and a shit board surely relegation is inevitable? So why stress about it? Why bother going to games when defeat is inevitable? May as well look forward to like back in the third tier. Most managers are not afforded the luxury of bringing in a whole new team in any organisation, Jones has had that luxury at Stoke, he proved last season he didn't have the skills to get the best out of the squad he inherited, these are his players, his system, his responsibility. Any good manager finds a strategy to work with team members get's the very best out of them he has failed on all counts. Exactly that.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 6, 2019 21:35:54 GMT
Davies- not seen him, have we ? CCV - 5 looks good, need to see more of him though Lyndsey - 4 Ward - not played enough to fully evaluate but doesn’t look great Smith - see above... maybe a 4 Cousins - 3 Duffy - 6 looks half decent when he’s played Gregory - works arrdd might be his best signing ? 6/7 Hogan - not really played enough, seems like he might know where the net is 5 Powell - jury’s out, not played enough Batth - 6 sometimes think he’s solid enough other times looks woeful Federichi - looks competent 6 Vokes - still some hope in him but not seen it yet 5 Who’ve I missed ? Federichi?
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 6, 2019 21:36:48 GMT
None of them are good enough
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2019 21:49:14 GMT
Davies- not seen him, have we ? CCV - 5 looks good, need to see more of him though Lyndsey - 4 Ward - not played enough to fully evaluate but doesn’t look great Smith - see above... maybe a 4 Cousins - 3 Duffy - 6 looks half decent when he’s played Gregory - works arrdd might be his best signing ? 6/7 Hogan - not really played enough, seems like he might know where the net is 5 Powell - jury’s out, not played enough Batth - 6 sometimes think he’s solid enough other times looks woeful Federichi - looks competent 6 Vokes - still some hope in him but not seen it yet 5 Who’ve I missed ? Federichi? Signed by Rowett ? to replace Grant who was better than any keeper we had at the time another fucking masterstroke by our transfer team.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 7, 2019 8:20:16 GMT
So if our players are so awful what exactly is the point of sacking Jones? If they're that bad a new manager isn't going to make a blind but of difference - if anything a new manager will make things worse as he'll be working with players he didn't choose (as per Lambert). If we've got shit players, a shit manager and a shit board surely relegation is inevitable? So why stress about it? Why bother going to games when defeat is inevitable? May as well look forward to like back in the third tier. Most managers are not afforded the luxury of bringing in a whole new team in any organisation, Jones has had that luxury at Stoke, he proved last season he didn't have the skills to get the best out of the squad he inherited, these are his players, his system, his responsibility. Any good manager finds a strategy to work with team members get's the very best out of them he has failed on all counts. You are missing the point. You have slagged off virtually every member of the squad. I agree a good manager will get the best out of the players he's inherited and those that he's brought in - but if the players are shit all the manger can can do is make them play shit. Therefore there is absolutely no point changing manager because he can only make the completely shit squad we've got play a different type of shit. We have a shit squad so we're going down. What's the point in blowing yet more money in paying off Jones and getting a new manager when we're going down anyway? Jones may not be equipped for the Championship but he's proved himself in League 1 so he could could do well with the shit squad we have. I really don't get why anyone would want to get rid of Jones when our squad is so bad relegation is inevitable. It doesn't make sense.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 7, 2019 9:17:26 GMT
Most managers are not afforded the luxury of bringing in a whole new team in any organisation, Jones has had that luxury at Stoke, he proved last season he didn't have the skills to get the best out of the squad he inherited, these are his players, his system, his responsibility. Any good manager finds a strategy to work with team members get's the very best out of them he has failed on all counts. You are missing the point. You have slagged off virtually every member of the squad. I agree a good manager will get the best out of the players he's inherited and those that he's brought in - but if the players are shit all the manger can can do is make them play shit. Therefore there is absolutely no point changing manager because he can only make the completely shit squad we've got play a different type of shit. We have a shit squad so we're going down. What's the point in blowing yet more money in paying off Jones and getting a new manager when we're going down anyway? Jones may not be equipped for the Championship but he's proved himself in League 1 so he could could do well with the shit squad we have. I really don't get why anyone would want to get rid of Jones when our squad is so bad relegation is inevitable. It doesn't make sense. So we accept the inevitable without trying to address the situation !!!, it's pretty obvious the manager is a major part of the mess we are in so you suggest we just let him carry on wrecking the club seriously
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 7, 2019 9:33:58 GMT
You are missing the point. You have slagged off virtually every member of the squad. I agree a good manager will get the best out of the players he's inherited and those that he's brought in - but if the players are shit all the manger can can do is make them play shit. Therefore there is absolutely no point changing manager because he can only make the completely shit squad we've got play a different type of shit. We have a shit squad so we're going down. What's the point in blowing yet more money in paying off Jones and getting a new manager when we're going down anyway? Jones may not be equipped for the Championship but he's proved himself in League 1 so he could could do well with the shit squad we have. I really don't get why anyone would want to get rid of Jones when our squad is so bad relegation is inevitable. It doesn't make sense. So we accept the inevitable without trying to address the situation !!!, it's pretty obvious the manager is a major part of the mess we are in so you suggest we just let him carry on wrecking the club seriously This thread is nothing to do with the manager. It's about rating the players. You have rated the players as being shit. The manager is irrelevant. Our squad is shit therefore we are going down. Which bit of that don't you understand? You can bang on about getting rid or Jones and "saving the club" but it's nothing more than a pointless rant. If the players are shit we are going down. It really is that simple, Sacking the manager is just another goat slaughtering exercise to keep the goat slaughters happy. Ancient societies gave up on slaughtering goats in order to make the crops grow because they eventually realised dead goats made bugger all difference to the harvest. If the the weather is shit the crops will fail. If the squad is shit the club will get relegated, No amount of dead goats/sacked managers is going to make the slightest bit of difference. The squad - by your own admission - is shit. We are going down, There is nothing anyone can do except embrace our doom.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2019 9:40:22 GMT
Most managers are not afforded the luxury of bringing in a whole new team in any organisation, Jones has had that luxury at Stoke, he proved last season he didn't have the skills to get the best out of the squad he inherited, these are his players, his system, his responsibility. Any good manager finds a strategy to work with team members get's the very best out of them he has failed on all counts. You are missing the point. You have slagged off virtually every member of the squad. I agree a good manager will get the best out of the players he's inherited and those that he's brought in - but if the players are shit all the manger can can do is make them play shit. Therefore there is absolutely no point changing manager because he can only make the completely shit squad we've got play a different type of shit. We have a shit squad so we're going down. What's the point in blowing yet more money in paying off Jones and getting a new manager when we're going down anyway? Jones may not be equipped for the Championship but he's proved himself in League 1 so he could could do well with the shit squad we have. I really don't get why anyone would want to get rid of Jones when our squad is so bad relegation is inevitable. It doesn't make sense. Isn't it the point of this thread to: "Rate Nathan's signings"? You seem to be saying Nathan can't do well because he has shite players: they are the players he has spent millions on. Nathan Jones has been given more financial support than virtually any of his competition and his results are awful. By any standards at all he has done a terrible job as manager of SCFC. Lambert was not great but he got better performances out of his players than Jones. Rowett was bloody awful but he still managed to get better results out of the players than Jones. Jones' signings, tactics and man management could hardly have been worse since he came to the club.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2019 9:42:49 GMT
So we accept the inevitable without trying to address the situation !!!, it's pretty obvious the manager is a major part of the mess we are in so you suggest we just let him carry on wrecking the club seriously This thread is nothing to do with the manager. It's about rating the players. You have rated the players as being shit. The manager is irrelevant. Our squad is shit therefore we are going down. Which bit of that don't you understand? You can bang on about getting rid or Jones and "saving the club" but it's nothing more than a pointless rant. If the players are shit we are going down. It really is that simple, Sacking the manager is just another goat slaughtering exercise to keep the goat slaughters happy. Ancient societies gave up on slaughtering goats in order to make the crops grow because they eventually realised dead goats made bugger all difference to the harvest. If the the weather is shit the crops will fail. If the squad is shit the club will get relegated, No amount of dead goats/sacked managers is going to make the slightest bit of difference. The squad - by your own admission - is shit. We are going down, There is nothing anyone can do except embrace our doom. You admit that Jones has spent the club's money on shit yet don't seem to think he should be held accountable for that.
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