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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 3, 2019 21:01:07 GMT
Most if not all,would do a fine job playing for the Vale in League 2.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 3, 2019 21:06:34 GMT
Most if not all,would do a fine job playing for the Vale in League 2. But would Askey want Cousins ?, I know John he values his job so I would think not.
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Post by jarhead on Sept 3, 2019 21:08:32 GMT
Abysmal.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 3, 2019 21:14:31 GMT
Not a single one better than what we had. Amazingly. In a nutshell this sums up the sheer stupidity of this message board. How on gods earth would anyone expect Stoke City in the Championship be expected to have better players than Stoke City in the Premiership? Anyone who thinks that would happen is a complete and utter moron, Of course the players we have now are inferior to the players we had when we were a Premiership side. Get fucking real. Its not the managers fault. It isn't anyone's fault. Its the reality of of the situation we are in you prawn munching bunching of self important fuckwits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 21:22:33 GMT
Not a single one better than what we had. Amazingly. In a nutshell this sums up the sheer stupidity of this message board. How on gods earth would anyone expect Stoke City in the Championship be expected to have better players than Stoke City in the Premiership? Anyone who thinks that would happen is a complete and utter moron, Of course the players we have now are inferior to the players we had when we were a Premiership side. Get fucking real. Its not the managers fault. It isn't anyone's fault. Its the reality of of the situation we are in you prawn munching bunching of self important fuckwits. I think he means what we have tbf
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Post by whatsashig on Sept 3, 2019 21:24:06 GMT
The game has turned into everyone trying be smart from tactical point of view, the best teams still have it in abundance from the players to the manager, but without a shadow of a doubt the work rate is off the ball be that defending or attacking its their to see, there is a current concentration of playing the right way, to the demise of wanting to win , the desire to put effort in is the start point talent and good football is cherries, not just us we’ve forgot that, I blame England’s manager turning up in a waste coat🤪
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 3, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
Batth - 7 - slightly better than bog standard Champs level CB, decent character, good squad addition for reasonable fee. Vokes - 1 - we vastly vastly overpaid for someone who didn't fit a system Davies - 0 - not played, but third choice! Why CCV - 6 - there is a decent young CB in there, as shown at Ipswich & Swansea. Not shown it for us, but the signing was probably a decent idea. Lyndsay - 3 - not what we needed, distribution looks awful at times, looks every bit what he is - a CB from Barnsley!. Ward - 1 - not what we needed in any shape or form, even if we'd been playing 442. Swapping for Erik and then having him behind McClean (with Clucas & BMI also able to offer cover) was just a bit pointless with other gaps. Smith - 3 - if Matt Darmian costs 3.6m and Smith costs 4m, it says it all. Not good for Edwards, the team, or the bank balance. Cousins - 0 - nothing really good to say. We really needed a good player in this position. Duffy - 5 - half decent stop gap, loaning was the right idea, good to have in the squad. Equally, there are better LAMs about. Hogan - 4 - looks better than i thought he would at times, but can't see much coming of this one and doesn't seem to use his pace. Powell - 1 - expected him to be injured and is. With no real cover at CAM, its bad decision making. He might pick up from 1/10 that said if he actually plays Gregory - 5 - decent squad player for the workrate alone, but only looks decent because we are such a poor side and rely on pure industry. Is older than we should be looking at. Clearly not a natural goalscorer!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 22:13:39 GMT
Meh.
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Post by Ron on Sept 3, 2019 22:19:51 GMT
Shit. All of them. We didn’t need most of them. We needed a left back and a quality central midfielder.
More proof Jones is out of his depth.
Cousins looks like a competition winner.
Powell is a crock.
Lindsay is, IMO, terrible,
Batth is just dross.
Carter-Vickers May end up ok- better than the above!
Ward is finished.
Smiths worse than Edwards
Duffy is here as Powell’s a crock
Davies - fair enough but wtf had gone on?
Hogan no better than Afobe
Vokes not suited to way he wants to play
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Post by Gods on Sept 3, 2019 22:46:03 GMT
I don't think the Gregory love in will last for long. We needed striker who never scores like a hole in the head.
I don't think there is a single club in this country, or any other country for that matter, who would take a single one of these players off our hands for what we paid for them or match their wages if they were free.
So we are stuck with the lot of them.Which leaves no latitude for a new manager should there be one.
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Post by questionable on Sept 4, 2019 4:21:39 GMT
Without going to the trouble of listing their names, I’d like to rouse Jones as a comparison.
Completely shit and alarmingly out of their depth.
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Post by pottermouth on Sept 4, 2019 5:01:04 GMT
From Davies to Vokes how do you rate them 1 to 10 loans included ? League 1 standard. All are poor signings. There seems no logic to them either.
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Post by mrred on Sept 4, 2019 6:40:40 GMT
Complete dump for the most part. Part of that is the acceptance that we're a bang average lower league club with bang average lower league players again.
Grim
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Post by stokemark on Sept 4, 2019 7:49:57 GMT
It's worth adding Rowetts list of shite to this list (not a single decent signing amongst them)
Not hard to see why we are where we are
Terrible business
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 4, 2019 7:55:38 GMT
Shit.....apart from Gregory (it's easy to see why Millwall fans liked him), they've been absolute shit!!!
If these are DEFINITELY all his signings, then please don't allow him to bring in any more!!!
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Post by emery1985 on Sept 4, 2019 8:48:16 GMT
Not even battersea digs home worthy
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 4, 2019 8:49:16 GMT
Ward - 4 - Barely played has he, decent but not much else at Leeds away but looked rusty, unfit and even a bit flustered against Brum, must be many better options out there, could we not have used Tymon as the understudy?
Batth - 6 - Faltered of late but seemed a solid enough defender in this league until the last month or so, needs a regular CB partnership and some confidence.
Smith - 5 - Underwhelming performances after seeing his statistics at Huddersfield, valid questions being asked about him keeping Edwards out of the side. Good set piece at Brum however.
Cousins - 6 - Haven't seen an awful lot of him, like quite a few of these signings he needs a run of games, his tackling and breaking down play looks actually decent enough for this league. However, limited going forward and there's better options in the side
Lyndsey - 5 - I can see why we signed him, he's comfortable with the ball at his feet. The problem is he cant pick a pass regularly, so many wayward passes and looks uncertain defensively, still young and will improve but even at 5 years younger, Collins looks the better option.
Duffy - 5 - Another who has slightly disappointed for me. More irregular playing time but looks either a touch unfit or off the pace slightly. Technically gifted and he could be excellent for us, but needs a run of games in a settled side.
Hogan - 6 - Far more mobile in the box that what we've had recently and could be a solid Championship striker after a run of games.
Powell - 6 - We know he's a good player and I'd give him a 7 if we'd seen anything of him, excellent signing on a Bosman but the injuries are a massive issue.
Gregory - 8 - Best signing we've made since relegation, not just because he's a workhorse but he's also deceptively quick and decent in the air and he plays like he cares, which we haven't seen enough of recently, deserves a goal and needs a goal.
CCV - 6 - Seems solid enough but again, we haven't seen a lot of him.
Vokes - 6 - Poor start to the season but scored a couple since then, still doesnt look sharp, I'd be starting him with Gregory.
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Post by pavel on Sept 4, 2019 8:53:04 GMT
Not a single one better than what we had. Amazingly. This absolutely and again the opposite to what he has said on many counts, NOT young athletic hungry players, NOT better than what we have, NOT what we needed, NOT any resale value in most and NOT good enough. Davies - Why, the player must be gutted as well. Cousins - Very poor from what I've seen, lacks pace, awareness, skill and positional sense and is a walking yellow/red card Batth - started brightly last season and steadied the defence, bought stability but has fallen off at an alarming rate, lacks pace, composure and the ability to pass the ball out of defence, not what we needed in terms of balance and partnerships Lindsay - Only young so does have time but lacks pace and his distribution and again not what we needed in a team/defence lacking pace. Ward - What can I say, a man at the end of his career and looks it (fast athletic full back my arse) Smith - No better than what we have, in fact on his showing he's worse, worst of all not needed. Powell - Few glimpses of his talent but injury prone, a shame for him but to buy him for a key position in Jones's preferred formation as the No 1 play maker with his injury record was madness. Vokes - Again why, a lot of money for a very limited player at the current stage of his career, especially as we do not play to his strengths. I read somewhere that Burnley had looked at his key stats and he was declining in all of them, they just had to wait for some patsy club to shell out on him, hmmmm. Could be better if we at least tried playing to his strengths. Hogan - Not prolific, not busy or involved, looks reasonable but not what we needed and not better than what we have Gregory - I like him but again not a prolific scorer, played off the front striker, like at Millwall, and we have a clever player making incisive late runs and making space for other players. Intelligent and full of running. Jones plays him as a lone striker, ah well. CCV - A good player but hardly likely to feature, one of the brighter signings but a loan and Jonesey apparently doesn't do loans! Duffy - As above, unlikely to be given many chances
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Post by tosh on Sept 4, 2019 9:13:46 GMT
All good players. Ward can run faster than verlinden I've seen it. “All good players” - Really? You must be very easily pleased. Quite an achievement by Jones then, to take us to the bottom and make us look like one of the favourites for relegation to League 1 with all these “good players”. In my opinion, it is the worst scattergun, panicky, rushed bunch of signings that I can ever recall, of nondescript players that we didn’t need, because they’re no better, or in some cases, worse than what we already had. The result. A huge, unhappy, frustrated squad lacking flair or talent, that is nearly impossible to move on, (apart from bribing an occasional club to take a subsidised loan) because they are mostly overpaid lower league journeymen. It will be a very difficult task now to try to create a real team spirit and a united squad, and it could take a long time to rectify. Following two bad managerial appointments, I think the club is now in serious trouble.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2019 9:33:04 GMT
All good players. Ward can run faster than verlinden I've seen it. Really
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 4, 2019 9:37:41 GMT
All good players. Ward can run faster than verlinden I've seen it. Brilliant post 🤣
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2019 9:44:55 GMT
Not a single one better than what we had. Amazingly. This absolutely and again the opposite to what he has said on many counts, NOT young athletic hungry players, NOT better than what we have, NOT what we needed, NOT any resale value in most and NOT good enough. Davies - Why, the player must be gutted as well. Cousins - Very poor from what I've seen, lacks pace, awareness, skill and positional sense and is a walking yellow/red card Batth - started brightly last season and steadied the defence, bought stability but has fallen off at an alarming rate, lacks pace, composure and the ability to pass the ball out of defence, not what we needed in terms of balance and partnerships Lindsay - Only young so does have time but lacks pace and his distribution and again not what we needed in a team/defence lacking pace. Ward - What can I say, a man at the end of his career and looks it (fast athletic full back my arse) Smith - No better than what we have, in fact on his showing he's worse, worst of all not needed. Powell - Few glimpses of his talent but injury prone, a shame for him but to buy him for a key position in Jones's preferred formation as the No 1 play maker with his injury record was madness. Vokes - Again why, a lot of money for a very limited player at the current stage of his career, especially as we do not play to his strengths. I read somewhere that Burnley had looked at his key stats and he was declining in all of them, they just had to wait for some patsy club to shell out on him, hmmmm. Could be better if we at least tried playing to his strengths. Hogan - Not prolific, not busy or involved, looks reasonable but not what we needed and not better than what we have Gregory - I like him but again not a prolific scorer, played off the front striker, like at Millwall, and we have a clever player making incisive late runs and making space for other players. Intelligent and full of running. Jones plays him as a lone striker, ah well. CCV - A good player but hardly likely to feature, one of the brighter signings but a loan and Jonesey apparently doesn't do loans! Duffy - As above, unlikely to be given many chances It seems the owners have tasked Nathan with getting us out of this League and he has decided to go for the relegation route, he has certainly built a squad fit to achieve that aim, his signings are not good enough for this league compounded by his decision to play a failed winger as a LWB yet he still has the job fucking amazing stuff.
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Post by serpico on Sept 4, 2019 13:33:11 GMT
It’s not looking good but it’s Probably a bit harsh to write them off completely so early, especially players like ward who’ve had, what, 2 starts ?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2019 20:55:31 GMT
It’s not looking good but it’s Probably a bit harsh to write them off completely so early, especially players like ward who’ve had, what, 2 starts ? That's why I stated thus far it is all we have to go on, early signs are not promising apart from the Duracell Bunny from Millwall who works his knackers off, the rest well look decidedly third division standard apart from Cousins who would struggle to get many games at Leek Town, the strangest is Davies now 3rd choice WTF is that about ?
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Post by Goonie on Sept 4, 2019 21:00:35 GMT
Not good enough for promotion that's clear! I dont think they'll be good enough for survival at this rate
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2019 21:16:37 GMT
Not good enough for promotion that's clear! I dont think they'll be good enough for survival at this rate A mirror image of the man who signed them not good enough at this level, imagine what the thinking was that these players would take us back to the PL !, they are playing at the level they are fit for which was obvious when we signed them, never mind our next manager will be recommended by some randomer in a pub in Longton fanfucink tastic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 21:17:20 GMT
Not a single one better than what we had. Amazingly. In a nutshell this sums up the sheer stupidity of this message board. How on gods earth would anyone expect Stoke City in the Championship be expected to have better players than Stoke City in the Premiership? Anyone who thinks that would happen is a complete and utter moron, Of course the players we have now are inferior to the players we had when we were a Premiership side. Get fucking real. Its not the managers fault. It isn't anyone's fault. Its the reality of of the situation we are in you prawn munching bunching of self important fuckwits. Oh the irony of you calling others stupid.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2019 21:38:51 GMT
In a nutshell this sums up the sheer stupidity of this message board. How on gods earth would anyone expect Stoke City in the Championship be expected to have better players than Stoke City in the Premiership? Anyone who thinks that would happen is a complete and utter moron, Of course the players we have now are inferior to the players we had when we were a Premiership side. Get fucking real. Its not the managers fault. It isn't anyone's fault. Its the reality of of the situation we are in you prawn munching bunching of self important fuckwits. Oh the irony of you calling others stupid. Especially when he contributes nothing but blind faith with no real basis for his blind optimism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 21:46:08 GMT
It's a comparison with the 07/08 squad that really highlights the issue.
Simonsen, Griffin, Shawcross, Cort, Wilkinson, Whelan, Delap, Cresswell, Sidibe, Fuller.
Only Fuller there had pure natural talent (Shawcross was still learning his trade), but my goodness as a collective they were a bunch of hard cases. And that is what we are missing.
And probably Rory's long throw as well.....
Even Super Jonny Parkin would come on from time to time and raze hell.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 5, 2019 10:49:48 GMT
Jumble sale signings
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