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Post by starkiller on Sept 2, 2019 15:32:00 GMT
Let’s be honest any competent manager is going to look good very quickly here just by stopping one of the most expensive squads in the division from getting relegated! All other expectations have now gone out of the window. Expensive, but shite. And a millstone around any new manager's neck.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 2, 2019 15:34:03 GMT
Who was that? Given you're Glasgow and he is from Bellshill, I'd say it was Alex Neil? No mate it was just an informal chat, not someone who is in the frame, though I think neil would do well at stoke. I think a lot of managers in this league are quite open in their interviews anyway that stoke has a quality squad, a lot of them would back themselves to turn things around quickly. Neil turned West Brom down, which surprised me as Preston don't strike me as a club who chuck money about
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2019 15:42:01 GMT
What 'big team' is going to give Hughton or Moyes a job? Of the Prem jobs likely to be available anytime soon, Watford tend to look abroad and Hodgson has started better than expected at Palace. There isn't really another option beyond a basket case like Newcastle. That may well be true, but why would Hughton or Moyes take on a basket case like Stoke, especially if the budget to bring in new players is limited due to FP rules and owners wanted us to be self sufficient? Precious few clubs in the Championship aren't affected by or at least mindful of those rules - hardly anybody has spent massively in the league this season. We're not a basket case in the way Newcastle are, are we? Not even close. As things stand, we're still just about one of the bigger clubs in this league and many will consider, rightly or wrongly, us to be in a false position, will see the players we've got, many of whom had some pedigree not too long ago, and think they can do a job here. We appointed Brian Little, who'd taken Aston Villa into Europe not long prior, when we were in the third tier and the living, breathing definition of a basket case club, so I think we're overstating things somewhat.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 3, 2019 0:35:54 GMT
That may well be true, but why would Hughton or Moyes take on a basket case like Stoke, especially if the budget to bring in new players is limited due to FP rules and owners wanted us to be self sufficient? Precious few clubs in the Championship aren't affected by or at least mindful of those rules - hardly anybody has spent massively in the league this season. We're not a basket case in the way Newcastle are, are we? Not even close. As things stand, we're still just about one of the bigger clubs in this league and many will consider, rightly or wrongly, us to be in a false position, will see the players we've got, many of whom had some pedigree not too long ago, and think they can do a job here. We appointed Brian Little, who'd taken Aston Villa into Europe not long prior, when we were in the third tier and the living, breathing definition of a basket case club, so I think we're overstating things somewhat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a proven manager like Hughton. I just don’t see him coming. One of the biggest concerns I also have is the perception of a team with five managers in less than two years. After Hughes, each manager was less experienced than the previous one and I’m afraid that if Jones is sacked without identifying a replacement it will be history repeating itself.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 3, 2019 6:37:46 GMT
Precious few clubs in the Championship aren't affected by or at least mindful of those rules - hardly anybody has spent massively in the league this season. We're not a basket case in the way Newcastle are, are we? Not even close. As things stand, we're still just about one of the bigger clubs in this league and many will consider, rightly or wrongly, us to be in a false position, will see the players we've got, many of whom had some pedigree not too long ago, and think they can do a job here. We appointed Brian Little, who'd taken Aston Villa into Europe not long prior, when we were in the third tier and the living, breathing definition of a basket case club, so I think we're overstating things somewhat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a proven manager like Hughton. I just don’t see him coming. One of the biggest concerns I also have is the perception of a team with five managers in less than two years. After Hughes, each manager was less experienced than the previous one and I’m afraid that if Jones is sacked without identifying a replacement it will be history repeating itself. The thing is I think we clearly did identify Jones ahead of sacking Rowett (and even Rowett ahead of sacking Hughes - he just wouldn't come) - the problem has been that both were gambles, (and in many ways a noble one in Jones' case, intention-wise) in some ways, that just haven't paid off. Which is why we'll end up with some level of dour pragmatist next. I hope to god it's not O'Neill, but I don't think we're anywhere near 'no good manager would touch us with a barge pole' levels yet. We've been in worse states and still appointed managers of repute in the past.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2019 6:41:44 GMT
He initially talks about "waiting for the right opportunity" but even after Keys tries to egg him on to saying something silly, he basically admits "I know I'm not in a position to pick and choose because there are some very good managers out of work"
I'm sure he'd come.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2019 7:59:58 GMT
Precious few clubs in the Championship aren't affected by or at least mindful of those rules - hardly anybody has spent massively in the league this season. We're not a basket case in the way Newcastle are, are we? Not even close. As things stand, we're still just about one of the bigger clubs in this league and many will consider, rightly or wrongly, us to be in a false position, will see the players we've got, many of whom had some pedigree not too long ago, and think they can do a job here. We appointed Brian Little, who'd taken Aston Villa into Europe not long prior, when we were in the third tier and the living, breathing definition of a basket case club, so I think we're overstating things somewhat. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a proven manager like Hughton. I just don’t see him coming. One of the biggest concerns I also have is the perception of a team with five managers in less than two years. After Hughes, each manager was less experienced than the previous one and I’m afraid that if Jones is sacked without identifying a replacement it will be history repeating itself. Watford get through managers like socks. Not done their rep or status any harm
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2019 13:45:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 13:46:42 GMT
Hughton is the dream right now, if you want stability and a decent squad spirit he is your man.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2019 13:51:00 GMT
Isnt Hughton good friends with Jones?
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 16, 2019 13:53:21 GMT
No friends in football...get him in ...now !!
They only make the link as they worked together briefly at brighton
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 14:01:20 GMT
Isnt Hughton good friends with Jones? I dont think that comes into it at all. If he's up for it....we would be mad not to go for this option. The only club who have survived in the history of Championship football after gaining only 1pt from 7 games (Fulham) sacked their manager after 7 games. If we are going to go into an 8th game with NJ we are already getting into breaking records territory.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2019 14:05:00 GMT
Isnt Hughton good friends with Jones? I dont think that comes into it at all. If he's up for it....we would be mad not to go for this option. The only club who have survived in the history of Championship football after gaining only 1pt from 7 games (Fulham) sacked their manager after 7 games. If we are going to go into an 8th game with NJ we are already getting into breaking records territory. Oh I agree he’s got to go mate and whoever comes in has got one hell of a task keeping us up after the start we’ve had
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2019 14:05:03 GMT
Just had a look at the Mirror.
It's quite a big, full page piece by John Cross and John Wragg.
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HUGHTON'S READY TO STOKE CLAIM Desperate Potters Preparing to Sack Jones
Nathan Jones admits he's running out of time - and Chris Hughton will be targeted if they make a change.
Jones has pleaded for more time - but Hughton is at the top of Stoke's wish list to take over.
It'll be a fight for survival this season for Stoke - but they still have Premier League players - and wages - and they are desperate to go back up in the long-term.
Hughton wants to get back into management with the right job, having turned down Sheff Weds - and Stoke are keeping close tabs.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 14:17:47 GMT
Just had a look at the Mirror. It's quite a big, full page piece by John Cross and John Wragg. ----- HUGHTON'S READY TO STOKE CLAIMDesperate Potters Preparing to Sack Jones
Nathan Jones admits he's running out of time - and Chris Hughton will be targeted if they make a change. Jones has pleaded for more time - but Hughton is at the top of Stoke's wish list to take over. It'll be a fight for survival this season for Stoke - but they still have Premier League players - and wages - and they are desperate to go back up in the long-term. Hughton wants to get back into management with the right job, having turned down Sheff Weds - and Stoke are keeping close tabs. so we are desperate to go back 'in the long term', a few weeks ago it was the 'short term'!!!.....things change quickly in football
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Post by questionable on Sept 16, 2019 14:21:16 GMT
Who’d want to come to this poisonous club, think about it we’ve got a complete numpty who takes advice from some bloke who watches three games a week, probably still living at home with his parents and a bigger numpty accountant who thinks he can run a football club, oh and some old bloke who talks to Radio Stoke every three months or so telling people they’re wrong and everything is going to plan.
Would you work with a club like this, I know I wouldn’t.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 16, 2019 14:21:59 GMT
I'm probably in a minority of one, but if I were the chairman, which thank the Lord I'm not, I'd still be sticking with Nathan Jones for a while longer.
I still see glimpses of something. If he can get a break and turn it around, I have a feeling it could be as good as its been bad. There is nothing for Stoke City to fear from Brentford or anybody else in this league.
Chris Hughton is a safe pair of hands for sure, but I'm not sure it's going to be much fun along the way. If we continue to give Nathan the chance to find his best blend it could be a hell of a ride.
Just the start we wanted on Saturday, and then he is dealt another blow with Joe's sending off.
One of these days we'll get the rub of the green, a much needed win and things will begin to turn around. Still time to hold our collective nerve for me.
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Post by robrigo on Sept 16, 2019 14:28:47 GMT
I'm probably in a minority of one, but if I were the chairman, which thank the Lord I'm not, I'd still be sticking with Nathan Jones for a while longer. I still see glimpses of something. If he can get a break and turn it around, I have a feeling it could be as good as its been bad. There is nothing for Stoke City to fear from Brentford or anybody else in this league. Chris Hughton is a safe pair of hands for sure, but I'm not sure it's going to be much fun along the way. If we continue to give Nathan the chance to find his best blend it could be a hell of a ride. Just the start we wanted on Saturday, and then he is dealt another blow with Joe's sending off. One of these days we'll get the rub of the green, a much needed win and things will begin to turn around. Still time to hold our collective nerve for me. I’m the complete opposite mate. I’d sack Jones this instant and have Hughton in before Jones got back to Wales. I’d take a safe pair of hands in a flash right now.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 16, 2019 14:48:27 GMT
I'm probably in a minority of one, but if I were the chairman, which thank the Lord I'm not, I'd still be sticking with Nathan Jones for a while longer. I still see glimpses of something. If he can get a break and turn it around, I have a feeling it could be as good as its been bad. There is nothing for Stoke City to fear from Brentford or anybody else in this league. Chris Hughton is a safe pair of hands for sure, but I'm not sure it's going to be much fun along the way. If we continue to give Nathan the chance to find his best blend it could be a hell of a ride. Just the start we wanted on Saturday, and then he is dealt another blow with Joe's sending off. One of these days we'll get the rub of the green, a much needed win and things will begin to turn around. Still time to hold our collective nerve for me. I’m the complete opposite mate. I’d sack Jones this instant and have Hughton in before Jones got back to Wales. I’d take a safe pair of hands in a flash right now. Totally understand that and respect it too. You are probably right - I couldn't have imagined this start to the season. The results don't lie and it's beyond shocking. But if... and it's a massive if, he finds a way to utilise his best players, I think he will try and play attacking football, which in the long term will be more entertaining and rewarding than Hughton's (highly effective) safety first policy. However much bad luck he's had, he needs some results fast though or the board will be left with no option but to make a change.
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 16, 2019 14:50:44 GMT
I'm probably in a minority of one, but if I were the chairman, which thank the Lord I'm not, I'd still be sticking with Nathan Jones for a while longer. I still see glimpses of something. If he can get a break and turn it around, I have a feeling it could be as good as its been bad. There is nothing for Stoke City to fear from Brentford or anybody else in this league. Chris Hughton is a safe pair of hands for sure, but I'm not sure it's going to be much fun along the way. If we continue to give Nathan the chance to find his best blend it could be a hell of a ride. Just the start we wanted on Saturday, and then he is dealt another blow with Joe's sending off. One of these days we'll get the rub of the green, a much needed win and things will begin to turn around. Still time to hold our collective nerve for me. I’m the complete opposite mate. I’d sack Jones this instant and have Hughton in before Jones got back to Wales. I’d take a safe pair of hands in a flash right now. Seconded.
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2019 14:53:50 GMT
I'm probably in a minority of one, but if I were the chairman, which thank the Lord I'm not, I'd still be sticking with Nathan Jones for a while longer. I still see glimpses of something. If he can get a break and turn it around, I have a feeling it could be as good as its been bad. There is nothing for Stoke City to fear from Brentford or anybody else in this league. Chris Hughton is a safe pair of hands for sure, but I'm not sure it's going to be much fun along the way. If we continue to give Nathan the chance to find his best blend it could be a hell of a ride. Just the start we wanted on Saturday, and then he is dealt another blow with Joe's sending off. One of these days we'll get the rub of the green, a much needed win and things will begin to turn around. Still time to hold our collective nerve for me. What glimpses of something do you see if you don't mind me asking? All I see is a team struggling painfully to score, and who's conceded two or more goals in 11 of our last 13 games. A goal difference of minus ten after seven games in this league is little short of a disgrace.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2019 14:55:37 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Sept 16, 2019 14:55:55 GMT
Get him in, if only to end this Pulis nonsense.
The thought of 'Pulis 3' makes me feel quite nauseous and would make us even more of a laughing stock.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 16, 2019 14:57:33 GMT
I’m the complete opposite mate. I’d sack Jones this instant and have Hughton in before Jones got back to Wales. I’d take a safe pair of hands in a flash right now. Totally understand that and respect it too. You are probably right - I couldn't have imagined this start to the season. The results don't lie and it's beyond shocking. But if... and it's a massive if, he finds a way to utilise his best players, I think he will try and play attacking football, which in the long term will be more entertaining and rewarding than Hughton's (highly effective) safety first policy. However much bad luck he's had, he needs some results fast though or the board will be left with no option but to make a change. Safety first policy? Didn't he go up from this league with 100 points in the not too distant past?
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Sept 16, 2019 14:57:43 GMT
Hughton is a must
Id have this done by tomorrow if I could
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2019 15:02:36 GMT
Totally understand that and respect it too. You are probably right - I couldn't have imagined this start to the season. The results don't lie and it's beyond shocking. But if... and it's a massive if, he finds a way to utilise his best players, I think he will try and play attacking football, which in the long term will be more entertaining and rewarding than Hughton's (highly effective) safety first policy. However much bad luck he's had, he needs some results fast though or the board will be left with no option but to make a change. Safety first policy? Didn't he go up from this league with 100 points in the not too distant past? 102 points when he took Newcastle up and 93 when he took Brighton up.
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Post by greystokie on Sept 16, 2019 15:03:02 GMT
I’m the complete opposite mate. I’d sack Jones this instant and have Hughton in before Jones got back to Wales. I’d take a safe pair of hands in a flash right now. Totally understand that and respect it too. You are probably right - I couldn't have imagined this start to the season. The results don't lie and it's beyond shocking. But if... and it's a massive if, he finds a way to utilise his best players, I think he will try and play attacking football, which in the long term will be more entertaining and rewarding than Hughton's (highly effective) safety first policy. However much bad luck he's had, he needs some results fast though or the board will be left with no option but to make a change. We have such a poor squad that I don't think they can be developed, by anyone, to play fast attacking football. For me our only option is to get someone in who can tighten us up, defensively, and get enough points on the board to avoid relegation. And I don't mean the Capped One!
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 16, 2019 15:06:18 GMT
Just had a look at the Mirror. It's quite a big, full page piece by John Cross and John Wragg. ----- HUGHTON'S READY TO STOKE CLAIMDesperate Potters Preparing to Sack Jones
Nathan Jones admits he's running out of time - and Chris Hughton will be targeted if they make a change. Jones has pleaded for more time - but Hughton is at the top of Stoke's wish list to take over. It'll be a fight for survival this season for Stoke - but they still have Premier League players - and wages - and they are desperate to go back up in the long-term. Hughton wants to get back into management with the right job, having turned down Sheff Weds - and Stoke are keeping close tabs. so we are desperate to go back 'in the long term', a few weeks ago it was the 'short term'!!!.....things change quickly in football I think it is more a commonsense reality check with them knowing some of the attitudes by posters on here. I saw few complaining about them bringing in a bright young manager not to long ago.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 16, 2019 15:09:31 GMT
I'd have this done before the international break we must not dither over this appointment if Hughton agrees to come in. NJ's record does not warrant anymore time in my opinion regardless of Saturdays performance we've not won a league since April it's appalling.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2019 15:09:35 GMT
Please be Hughton not Pulis.
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