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Post by gingerninja on Sept 25, 2019 19:04:30 GMT
Reading about Pardews link with Phil Chapple sent a shiver down my spine!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2019 19:13:34 GMT
I just don’t think that works at this level and above in football anymore. Players don’t respond to it. Look at Di Canio at Sunderland, look at what eventually happened to Keane there and at Ipswich, look at what happened to Souness at Newcastle. You need more than a drill sergeant. I totally understand what you are saying and you are probably right. But these are extraordinary times so maybe we need extraordinary measures. Someone has got to get in their heads somehow because they are currently a total embarrassment.
Scholes has got to go though, you must agree with that surely. He does, and has done for years, but again I don’t think this situation can be laid at his door in its entirety. The managers and the family have a weighty share in this as well.
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Post by pbpotter on Sept 25, 2019 19:28:44 GMT
Gerard?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2019 19:45:49 GMT
I totally understand what you are saying and you are probably right. But these are extraordinary times so maybe we need extraordinary measures. Someone has got to get in their heads somehow because they are currently a total embarrassment.
Scholes has got to go though, you must agree with that surely. He does, and has done for years, but again I don’t think this situation can be laid at his door in its entirety. The managers and the family have a weighty share in this as well. True enough. But here is what gets me, they finally boot Carto but in true Stoke style do half a job and keep Scholes. I remember years ago a pal of mine worked in the PR dept for PNE, handy he was as he used to always sort me tickets for away days up there. But I remember him pissing himself laughing when we poached Scholes from them. Didn't think much of it at the time but how right he was to laugh. They thought he was fucking useless. The rebuild has to start upstairs and it needs a full overhaul. And in my opinion JC needs to hand it over to someone who knows what they are doing or we are not going to sort it out for a long time.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 25, 2019 19:47:13 GMT
Not a chance, makes his living in his managerial career safe in the knowledge he cannot fail at gers or he comes with no greater experience than Jones and toxic club that if he doesnt turn it around inside 5 games fans will want him out. Cannot even tell whether hes a good manager yet.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 25, 2019 19:49:30 GMT
Worries me that JC has made a dogs arse of most hes been put in control of, god help us if anything happened to sir Peter
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2019 19:53:42 GMT
He does, and has done for years, but again I don’t think this situation can be laid at his door in its entirety. The managers and the family have a weighty share in this as well. True enough. But here is what gets me, they finally boot Carto but in true Stoke style do half a job and keep Scholes. I remember years ago a pal of mine worked in the PR dept for PNE, handy he was as he used to always sort me tickets for away days up there. But I remember him pissing himself laughing when we poached Scholes from them. Didn't think much of it at the time but how right he was to laugh. They thought he was fucking useless. The rebuild has to start upstairs and it needs a full overhaul. And in my opinion JC needs to hand it over to someone who knows what they are doing or we are not going to sort it out for a long time. Carto walked I thought?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2019 20:03:11 GMT
True enough. But here is what gets me, they finally boot Carto but in true Stoke style do half a job and keep Scholes. I remember years ago a pal of mine worked in the PR dept for PNE, handy he was as he used to always sort me tickets for away days up there. But I remember him pissing himself laughing when we poached Scholes from them. Didn't think much of it at the time but how right he was to laugh. They thought he was fucking useless. The rebuild has to start upstairs and it needs a full overhaul. And in my opinion JC needs to hand it over to someone who knows what they are doing or we are not going to sort it out for a long time. Carto walked I thought? Fucking hell. He must have had a good offer else where to get off the SCFC gravy train. And if he did then that really shows what a shower of shit we have upstairs that it took him to walk rather than someone do the correct thing and sack him for being totally shite at his job. We really are run like a village social committee.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Sept 25, 2019 20:20:09 GMT
Tony Pulis.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 25, 2019 20:28:09 GMT
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Post by madnellie on Sept 25, 2019 20:35:55 GMT
Did anyone else notice Emma Hayes at 50/1? Is this the first time we've been linked to a female manager by the bookies?
She's a very good FAWSL manager but nowhere near experienced enough yet for the Championship (in my opinion). I just found it interesting to see her name there, and I do think she is a better manager than Phil Neville currently.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 25, 2019 20:47:14 GMT
We probably need to get someone on a contract to the end of the season, with the offer of a sizeable bonus to keep us up. Redknapp at Birmingham and Advocaat at Sunderland, years sgo, suggests it’s the best chance of hiring someone with the requisite calibre to work for us; the prospect of working for us otherwise having no appeal at all to anyone we’d want.
would prefer that - and no more pretence about ridiculous “projects” (when every job is a project).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2019 20:50:39 GMT
We probably need to get someone on a contract to the end of the season, with the offer of a sizeable bonus to keep us up. Redknapp at Birmingham and Advocaat at Sunderland, years sgo, suggests it’s the best chance of hiring someone with the requisite calibre to work for us; the prospect of working for us otherwise having no appeal at all to anyone we’d want. would prefer that - and no more pretence about ridiculous “projects” (when every job is a project). Both of those examples illustrate the problem with that though. Do a good job and the short term solution gets appointed full time. It often doesn’t go well.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 25, 2019 21:04:20 GMT
We probably need to get someone on a contract to the end of the season, with the offer of a sizeable bonus to keep us up. Redknapp at Birmingham and Advocaat at Sunderland, years sgo, suggests it’s the best chance of hiring someone with the requisite calibre to work for us; the prospect of working for us otherwise having no appeal at all to anyone we’d want. would prefer that - and no more pretence about ridiculous “projects” (when every job is a project). Both of those examples illustrate the problem with that though. Do a good job and the short term solution gets appointed full time. It often doesn’t go well. Pulis (palace), redknapp at least allowed their teams to fight another day and they retained their status thereafter. Sunderland didn’t take their second (or third) lives after skirting with relegation. Mixed bag. Right here and now, though, this job is short term, it’s fire fighting. The only thing that matters is avoiding another relegation. The situation demands single mindedness. Frankly, if someone could keep us up, that would be a lovely dilemma to have for the season after.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2019 21:10:57 GMT
Both of those examples illustrate the problem with that though. Do a good job and the short term solution gets appointed full time. It often doesn’t go well. Pulis (palace), redknapp at least allowed their teams to fight another day and they retained their status thereafter. Sunderland didn’t take their second (or third) lives after skirting with relegation. Mixed bag. Right here and now, though, this job is short term, it’s fire fighting. The only thing that matters is avoiding another relegation. The situation demands single mindedness. Frankly, if someone could keep us up, that would be a lovely dilemma to have for the season after. I really don’t want the ‘lovely dilemma’ of being stuck with Pulis again to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced we’re as thoroughly in the mire yet as people are making out - provided we make the change reasonably quickly, there’s more than enough time left to survive relatively comfortably. Not sure Redknapp was really that good for Birmingham, funny how they, like so many of his other clubs, spiralled into financial difficulties around the same time...
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Post by firfuxache on Sept 25, 2019 21:28:15 GMT
All of those 3 have appeal in the current climate, most notably Pelissier
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 25, 2019 21:38:17 GMT
Pulis (palace), redknapp at least allowed their teams to fight another day and they retained their status thereafter. Sunderland didn’t take their second (or third) lives after skirting with relegation. Mixed bag. Right here and now, though, this job is short term, it’s fire fighting. The only thing that matters is avoiding another relegation. The situation demands single mindedness. Frankly, if someone could keep us up, that would be a lovely dilemma to have for the season after. I really don’t want the ‘lovely dilemma’ of being stuck with Pulis again to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced we’re as thoroughly in the mire yet as people are making out - provided we make the change reasonably quickly, there’s more than enough time left to survive relatively comfortably. Not sure Redknapp was really that good for Birmingham, funny how they, like so many of his other clubs, spiralled into financial difficulties around the same time... Depends what you mean by mire. I’d say we were in the mire already not solely because of position, but also momentum. It has been unabated decline for too long - arguably its even accelerating 9th to 13th, 13th to 19th, 14th Championship, now bottom. There are a few managers I woulnt normally want but I’d grudgingly see as having the attributes to better ensure safety by reversing the momentum. TP is amongst them. So are Warnock, Bruce. I do understand your sentiment, though anticipate whoever comes next will be painful. One attribute is that they wouldn’t.need a learning curve in dealing with the championship. Ensuring that we manage short term safety in a way district from mid and longer term evolution is a board job.
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Post by march4 on Sept 25, 2019 21:41:06 GMT
Pulis (palace), redknapp at least allowed their teams to fight another day and they retained their status thereafter. Sunderland didn’t take their second (or third) lives after skirting with relegation. Mixed bag. Right here and now, though, this job is short term, it’s fire fighting. The only thing that matters is avoiding another relegation. The situation demands single mindedness. Frankly, if someone could keep us up, that would be a lovely dilemma to have for the season after. I really don’t want the ‘lovely dilemma’ of being stuck with Pulis again to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced we’re as thoroughly in the mire yet as people are making out - provided we make the change reasonably quickly, there’s more than enough time left to survive relatively comfortably. Not sure Redknapp was really that good for Birmingham, funny how they, like so many of his other clubs, spiralled into financial difficulties around the same time... Really? I think we are in the mire up to our nostrils and it will soon be impossible for anyone to get us out. We are facing the prospect of being in the 3rd Division with all of our permitted finances going on the wages of Wimmer and co. We will have a team of very very cheap players and could go down again. It really is an incredible mess.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2019 21:43:59 GMT
I really don’t want the ‘lovely dilemma’ of being stuck with Pulis again to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced we’re as thoroughly in the mire yet as people are making out - provided we make the change reasonably quickly, there’s more than enough time left to survive relatively comfortably. Not sure Redknapp was really that good for Birmingham, funny how they, like so many of his other clubs, spiralled into financial difficulties around the same time... Really? I think we are in the mire up to our nostrils and it will soon be impossible for anyone to get us out. We are facing the prospect of being in the 3rd Division with all of our permitted finances going on the wages of Wimmer and co. We will have a team of very very cheap players and could go down again. It really is an incredible mess. The right change* can reverse those fortunes and there’s more than enough time to do it though. *Not him, March
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Sept 25, 2019 22:22:17 GMT
Maradona /?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 25, 2019 22:33:58 GMT
Maradona /?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e If anything he'd be worth it just to see how fucking bonkers he'd be.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2019 22:37:03 GMT
Ha ha fucking ha. Its a fair suggestion but in reality I don't think after we ruined his last ever game for Liverpool he would be too keen to take the managers job here. 6 fookin 1. It was like a dream coming true right in front of my fat face witnessing that. I laughed for days and days. Just you tubed it to see it again. Fucking ace.
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Post by stokedinohio on Sept 26, 2019 3:40:30 GMT
My off-the-wall suggestion is Crouchie. At least he can see the whole pitch.
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 26, 2019 4:05:59 GMT
Jimmy Fucking Krankie.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 26, 2019 4:06:23 GMT
All of those 3 have appeal in the current climate, most notably Pelissier A 5 minute Google search. 2 of them have top division jobs it seems atm but one of them is in a no mark league. Obviously you have to do further homework on such people but it's really not hard to come up with options other than Chris hughton.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 26, 2019 6:17:38 GMT
We probably need to get someone on a contract to the end of the season, with the offer of a sizeable bonus to keep us up. Redknapp at Birmingham and Advocaat at Sunderland, years sgo, suggests it’s the best chance of hiring someone with the requisite calibre to work for us; the prospect of working for us otherwise having no appeal at all to anyone we’d want. would prefer that - and no more pretence about ridiculous “projects” (when every job is a project). Pulis with the chance to move upstairs if he keeps us up?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2019 6:22:35 GMT
We probably need to get someone on a contract to the end of the season, with the offer of a sizeable bonus to keep us up. Redknapp at Birmingham and Advocaat at Sunderland, years sgo, suggests it’s the best chance of hiring someone with the requisite calibre to work for us; the prospect of working for us otherwise having no appeal at all to anyone we’d want. would prefer that - and no more pretence about ridiculous “projects” (when every job is a project). Pulis with the chance to move upstairs if he keeps us up? Move upstairs to do what? Work on his dossier?
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Post by Gods on Sept 26, 2019 6:35:06 GMT
Pulis (palace), redknapp at least allowed their teams to fight another day and they retained their status thereafter. Sunderland didn’t take their second (or third) lives after skirting with relegation. Mixed bag. Right here and now, though, this job is short term, it’s fire fighting. The only thing that matters is avoiding another relegation. The situation demands single mindedness. Frankly, if someone could keep us up, that would be a lovely dilemma to have for the season after. I really don’t want the ‘lovely dilemma’ of being stuck with Pulis again to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced we’re as thoroughly in the mire yet as people are making out - provided we make the change reasonably quickly, there’s more than enough time left to survive relatively comfortably. Not sure Redknapp was really that good for Birmingham, funny how they, like so many of his other clubs, spiralled into financial difficulties around the same time... Not in the mire? Oh boy, I wasnt expecting to read that from such a well informed poster! I feel I should be encouraged but my head tells me to question that. It's not even that we haven't won for 173 days it's the quality of the playing staff, we looked 2nd best to Crawley.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2019 6:44:03 GMT
I really don’t want the ‘lovely dilemma’ of being stuck with Pulis again to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced we’re as thoroughly in the mire yet as people are making out - provided we make the change reasonably quickly, there’s more than enough time left to survive relatively comfortably. Not sure Redknapp was really that good for Birmingham, funny how they, like so many of his other clubs, spiralled into financial difficulties around the same time... Not in the mire? Oh boy, I wasnt expecting to read that from such a well informed poster! I feel I should be encouraged but my head tells me to question that. It's not even that we haven't won for 173 days it's the quality of the playing staff, we looked 2nd best to Crawley. I didn't say we weren't in the mire Gods. I said I'm not convinced we're as THOROUGHLY in the mire as people are making out. Because there's still plenty of time for someone else to come in and sort this out and it's not like we're 12 points adrift.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 7:09:53 GMT
We had a hard time finding anyone willing to take over from Hughes because of the position we were in,hence we ended up with Lambert. Will be even harder this time.I wouldn't be averse to Mick McCarthy til the end of the season.
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