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Post by chigstoke on Sept 15, 2019 13:08:44 GMT
1. Houghton 2. Monk 3. Pulis 4. Moyes I really can't understand what the board is waiting for!? Monk won his first game as Wednesday boss today Rob!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 15, 2019 13:11:45 GMT
So you actually believe Coates wouldn't appointment a foreign manager so there is no point even putting one on the list? I get his track record but does that necessarily mean he wouldn't in the future? And out of interest - why do you think he would never appoint a foreign manager: - He doesn't rate foreign managers - which is a bit mad given their success rate
- He thinks it wouldn't go down well with supporters - which may be true of some but is self defeating in terms of being successful
- He is xenophobic - which I don't believe is true
I don't get it. He prefers the ‘safe’ option and foreign managers are more of a gamble. Same reason that more often than not he’s favoured experience over younger managers. Don’t forget that his choice when his son wanted QSF was Martin O’Neill. What makes you think he would appoint a left-field, Farke/Silva/Carvalhal type? What suggests we have those kind of contacts, are prepared to cast the net that wide or that we have that kind of vision? If by "safe" you mean "boring and bang average" I'll concede. But if John is taking over the reigns and - like you say - he went for QSF why is a left field foreign manager so out of the question? I think a number of posters are making Peter Coates the reason for their inability to look beyond the comfort blanket of yet another bang average boring British manager, If that's what some people want fine. But why blame Coates for a lack of imagination and why stop other posters from putting forward something more progressive and exciting? Is it all a bit too exotic and frightening?
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Post by LankyPotter on Sept 15, 2019 13:11:53 GMT
Why no Roy Keane? 44% win rate in Championship management in 120 games We would settle for that now! Genuinely would not turn up to watch that scrote in charge at our football club.
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Post by serpico on Sept 15, 2019 13:13:02 GMT
- Allardyce - Moyes - Hughton - Pulis.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 15, 2019 13:13:47 GMT
He prefers the ‘safe’ option and foreign managers are more of a gamble. Same reason that more often than not he’s favoured experience over younger managers. Don’t forget that his choice when his son wanted QSF was Martin O’Neill. What makes you think he would appoint a left-field, Farke/Silva/Carvalhal type? What suggests we have those kind of contacts, are prepared to cast the net that wide or that we have that kind of vision? If by "safe" you mean "boring and bang average" I'll concede. But if John is taking over the reigns and - like you say - he went for QSF why is a left field foreign manager so out of the question? I think a number of posters are making Peter Coates the reason for their inability to look beyond the comfort blanket of yet another bang average boring British manager, If that's what some people want fine. But why blame Coates for a lack of imagination and why stop other posters from putting forward something more progressive and exciting? Is it all a bit too exotic and frightening? Give us a couple of names you're thinking of, CBU. With some kind of CV who'd be open to taking over the Championship's bottom club in a bit of a crisis. I'm guessing the list would be shortish. Wouldn't you want them to have a bit of familiarity with the league in the circumstances?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Sept 15, 2019 13:19:12 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all the big 4 of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference? Moyes Hughton Allardyce Jones Peter Coates Josef Fritzl Hitler Nobody Pulis
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 15, 2019 13:29:08 GMT
He prefers the ‘safe’ option and foreign managers are more of a gamble. Same reason that more often than not he’s favoured experience over younger managers. Don’t forget that his choice when his son wanted QSF was Martin O’Neill. What makes you think he would appoint a left-field, Farke/Silva/Carvalhal type? What suggests we have those kind of contacts, are prepared to cast the net that wide or that we have that kind of vision? If by "safe" you mean "boring and bang average" I'll concede. But if John is taking over the reigns and - like you say - he went for QSF why is a left field foreign manager so out of the question? I think a number of posters are making Peter Coates the reason for their inability to look beyond the comfort blanket of yet another bang average boring British manager, If that's what some people want fine. But why blame Coates for a lack of imagination and why stop other posters from putting forward something more progressive and exciting? Is it all a bit too exotic and frightening? QSF himself was road tested in England and is a fairly defensive minded coach. And that was considered a ‘left field choice’. You’re making fairly insulting assumptions about people based on nothing. Plenty of Stoke fans are bang up for a foreign manager, they’re just realistic. You’re basing your thesis on absolutely nothing whatsoever. It’s the club that lacks imagination. Again, a little reminder that when Hughes left they’d wanted Moyes but he’d been snapped up and their minds turned to QSF and Rowett as the ‘edgy’ choices and MON and Lambert as the ‘safe’ ones. Compare that to what Southampton did or even Hull tried to do and get back to me about ‘imagination’.
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 15, 2019 13:32:51 GMT
not a lot of choice left now only one is Houghton and i would defo give him a chance but would he come i am afraid they are going to carry on with Jones could be a massive mistake i hope not
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Post by thevoid on Sept 15, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all the big 4 of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference? Moyes Hughton Allardyce Jones Peter Coates Josef Fritzl Hitler Nobody Pulis I wouldn't back Fritzl to get us out of the basement. Too soon?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 15, 2019 13:48:57 GMT
1. Houghton 2. Monk 3. Pulis 4. Moyes I really can't understand what the board is waiting for!? Monk won his first game as Wednesday boss today Rob! I didn't know he had been tied up there, TP up to second choice then
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 15, 2019 13:49:11 GMT
Gracia Hughton
If Scholes stays and he would NOT resign if TP came back.
TP
If it meant Scholes would walk without compensation.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Sept 15, 2019 14:08:13 GMT
Moyes Hughton Allardyce Jones Peter Coates Josef Fritzl Hitler Nobody Pulis I wouldn't back Fritzl to get us out of the basement. Too soon? Au contraire. These kind of jokes were needed a long time ago.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 16, 2019 11:20:08 GMT
Houghton Pulis Moyes Big Sam
Pretty obvious who the big 4 are. I'd be happy with any of them
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Post by friendlyboyof68 on Sept 16, 2019 16:47:30 GMT
Friendly Baggie's fan here, have relatives who are Stoke fans, plus had a great Uncle that played a few times for Stoke in the 50s.
I think Monk would be excellent.....although some complain about Houghton, I think that would be like complaining about having cardboard as a sandwich filler after being fed broken glass and horse s**t sandwiches for a year. We went through having to have Alan Pardew, so I know a little of what you are going through.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2019 17:24:04 GMT
I think he should stay in post until we’ve played Nottingham Forest, our next home game which is a must win Then review and decide if he’s staying
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2019 18:41:15 GMT
If by "safe" you mean "boring and bang average" I'll concede. But if John is taking over the reigns and - like you say - he went for QSF why is a left field foreign manager so out of the question? I think a number of posters are making Peter Coates the reason for their inability to look beyond the comfort blanket of yet another bang average boring British manager, If that's what some people want fine. But why blame Coates for a lack of imagination and why stop other posters from putting forward something more progressive and exciting? Is it all a bit too exotic and frightening? QSF himself was road tested in England and is a fairly defensive minded coach. And that was considered a ‘left field choice’. You’re making fairly insulting assumptions about people based on nothing. Plenty of Stoke fans are bang up for a foreign manager, they’re just realistic. You’re basing your thesis on absolutely nothing whatsoever. It’s the club that lacks imagination. Again, a little reminder that when Hughes left they’d wanted Moyes but he’d been snapped up and their minds turned to QSF and Rowett as the ‘edgy’ choices and MON and Lambert as the ‘safe’ ones. Compare that to what Southampton did or even Hull tried to do and get back to me about ‘imagination’. I go back to the original question - "who would YOU go for as the next manager". Not "who do you think the owners would go for so don't bother going for anything left field because they will always go for a tried and trusted boring British dinosaur anyway". I don't have a "thesis" I've just got a more pedantic/accurate view of the original question and the ability to form my own opinion about the answer rather than feel the need to second guess what the owners or others on here would go for. Apologies for having a mind of my own - clearly an issue on here. I'd be more than happy to see someone like Jokanovic come here. Or for a real roller coaster ride Nigel Pearson - mad, English and with European experience. So that should both please and piss off some people off at the same time, possibly causing their head to explode. What's not to like? To answer your version of the question (you know - the one the OP never actually asked) Moyes. Happy now? Do I get a gold star for doing what I'm supposed to do?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2019 18:44:35 GMT
QSF himself was road tested in England and is a fairly defensive minded coach. And that was considered a ‘left field choice’. You’re making fairly insulting assumptions about people based on nothing. Plenty of Stoke fans are bang up for a foreign manager, they’re just realistic. You’re basing your thesis on absolutely nothing whatsoever. It’s the club that lacks imagination. Again, a little reminder that when Hughes left they’d wanted Moyes but he’d been snapped up and their minds turned to QSF and Rowett as the ‘edgy’ choices and MON and Lambert as the ‘safe’ ones. Compare that to what Southampton did or even Hull tried to do and get back to me about ‘imagination’. I go back to the original question - "who would YOU go for as the next manager". Not "who do you think the owners would go for so don't bother going for anything left field because they will always go for a tried and trusted boring British dinosaur anyway". I don't have a "thesis" I've just got a more pedantic/accurate view of the original question and the ability to form my own opinion about the answer rather than feel the need to second guess what the owners or others on here would go for. Apologies for having a mind of my own - clearly an issue on here. I'd be more than happy to see someone like Jokanovic come here. Or for a real roller coaster ride Nigel Pearson - mad, English and with European experience. So that should both please and piss off some people off at the same time, possibly causing their head to explode. What's not to like? To answer your version of the question (you know - the one the OP never actually asked) Moyes. Happy now? Do I get a gold star for doing what I'm supposed to do? Is Jokanovic realistic though? He's on mega money out in the Gulf and turned us down in January. And Pearson got sacked by a Belgian Div 2 team in February. For once I think the natural inclination of the board to go for a Moyes-type actually marries up with what we do actually need.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 19:04:01 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all the big 4 of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference? Moyes Hughton Allardyce Jones Peter Coates Josef Fritzl Hitler Nobody Pulis
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2019 19:06:48 GMT
QSF himself was road tested in England and is a fairly defensive minded coach. And that was considered a ‘left field choice’. You’re making fairly insulting assumptions about people based on nothing. Plenty of Stoke fans are bang up for a foreign manager, they’re just realistic. You’re basing your thesis on absolutely nothing whatsoever. It’s the club that lacks imagination. Again, a little reminder that when Hughes left they’d wanted Moyes but he’d been snapped up and their minds turned to QSF and Rowett as the ‘edgy’ choices and MON and Lambert as the ‘safe’ ones. Compare that to what Southampton did or even Hull tried to do and get back to me about ‘imagination’. I go back to the original question - "who would YOU go for as the next manager". Not "who do you think the owners would go for so don't bother going for anything left field because they will always go for a tried and trusted boring British dinosaur anyway". I don't have a "thesis" I've just got a more pedantic/accurate view of the original question and the ability to form my own opinion about the answer rather than feel the need to second guess what the owners or others on here would go for. Apologies for having a mind of my own - clearly an issue on here. I'd be more than happy to see someone like Jokanovic come here. Or for a real roller coaster ride Nigel Pearson - mad, English and with European experience. So that should both please and piss off some people off at the same time, possibly causing their head to explode. What's not to like? To answer your version of the question (you know - the one the OP never actually asked) Moyes. Happy now? Do I get a gold star for doing what I'm supposed to do? Don't get your hair off, I'm not the one accusing people I don't know of xenophobia just because they've correctly surmised that there's as much chance of us appointing a shiny Bundesliga gegenshagger under this regime as there is of James McClean going for a pint with Ian Paisley Jr.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2019 20:22:28 GMT
Anyone know what Wilders beef with the Sheffield United board was/is?
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Post by knowingeye on Sept 16, 2019 20:41:21 GMT
Chris Coleman ticks most of the boxes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2019 20:51:16 GMT
Chris Coleman ticks most of the boxes. Apart from the 'good manager' one.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 16, 2019 21:43:15 GMT
Hughton is rightly first choice for many and can't see past him as #1. Can't see Moyes or Allardyce being interested.
The only thought was that we are starting to enter sack season, as Watford showed, meaning some candidates will be emerging soon. On this list, I would expect Steve Bruce and potentially Neil Warnock, both of whom would fit the bill given our challenge. Unfortunately Jones is so ridiculously bad it doesn't feel we can wait that long! If the board are serious about getting out of this, we might have to tempt someone of their current club.
Can't be bothered to work it out, but its kinda 3pts for helping a struggling team stay up, 3pts for promotion, 1pt for play offs, 1pt for attractive football, 1pt per 25 games managed in the Championships etc over the past 5-6 years (to max of 3pts), 3pts for a >40% win ratio, 2pts for a 35-40% win ratio.
1. Hughton 2. Bruce * 3. Warnock * 4. Pulis 5 Laudrup 6.Pearson 7.Neil + 8.Carvahal 9.Potter * 10Redknapp 11Karanka 12 Di Matteo 13 McCarthy 14 Mowbray + *wait for sack, +approach club
Wildcard (not based on anything at all!): John Terry, Claude Puel.
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Post by knowingeye on Sept 16, 2019 22:23:18 GMT
Chris Coleman ticks most of the boxes. Apart from the 'good manager' one. And?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 17, 2019 6:37:21 GMT
Apart from the 'good manager' one. And? Christ knows I'd probably rather set off for Accrington now than have Pulis back, but if the choice is him or Coleman I'll wash his favourite baseball cap and ring Kempy myself to get the band back together.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2019 22:13:49 GMT
www.paddypower.com/football/manager-specials-footballIf we were turned down by Hughton, Moyes, Allardyce and Neil - which is obviously very feasible - I really have no clue where we'd look (don't mention the P word, I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!) But hopefully one of 'em would bite.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 24, 2019 22:14:50 GMT
www.paddypower.com/football/manager-specials-footballIf we were turned down by Hughton, Moyes, Allardyce and Neil - which is obviously very feasible - I really have no clue where we'd look (don't mention the P word, I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!) But hopefully one of 'em would bite. It’ll be Pearson mate, I’m almost certain of it
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 24, 2019 22:16:05 GMT
I like Michael O’Neill, the manager of Northern Ireland. I wonder if he would be receptive to a move to the potters?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2019 22:16:50 GMT
www.paddypower.com/football/manager-specials-footballIf we were turned down by Hughton, Moyes, Allardyce and Neil - which is obviously very feasible - I really have no clue where we'd look (don't mention the P word, I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!) But hopefully one of 'em would bite. It’ll be Pearson mate, I’m almost certain of it www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47111137Suppose managers sacked by Belgian Div 2 teams are about our level now to be fair.... And he does tick the old skool box!
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 24, 2019 22:17:40 GMT
Can someone ask john cross if hughton has turned us down. Seems bit bizarre given the article that he ran to say he would be considered if we sack jones to now be saying hes not interested
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