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Post by spitthedog on Sept 11, 2019 0:57:31 GMT
Why no Roy Keane?
44% win rate in Championship management in 120 games
We would settle for that now!
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 11, 2019 9:01:52 GMT
Why no Roy Keane? 44% win rate in Championship management in 120 games We would settle for that now! Not sure this current crop of players need the "kick up the backside".... they are simply a lower end Champ team, now NJ has worked his recruitment magic at least, and even if operating at "peak performance", would probably be destined for somewhere in the lower part of mid-table. We know Keane can be pathological; a sociopath. In some circumstances past, that works, but days of ruling by fear are gone - and players would just face down a bully these days. Keane's big managerial job in the Champs @ Sunderland/Ipswich was 13/10 years ago now. I can't help but feel that here and now our team need more of a fatherly figure that commands respect and trust, to help them nurse their bruises, as well as instil organisation and discipline. Keane, i sense, would be adding to the bruises. So "get the attraction, but fear it would backfire horribly"
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 11, 2019 11:58:50 GMT
If I've got more chance with Mila than Allardyce being appointed how on earth can you claim that is a realistic list? Unless you know something about Mila's romantic intentions towards me - in which case quite frankly I don't care who we appoint - but if that is going to happen then please do add Klopp to the list - I'm obviously on a roll. Allardyce is an exception. He's the kind of manager the regime would go for so in that sense he's in that mould. But he wouldn't take the job in a million years. And Klopp is the sort of manager I would like to see as our manager but he won't take the job in a million years either. So why would I be allowed to vote for Allardyce but not Klopp? Am I only allowed to vote for an unrealistic manager that conforms with your opinion that the Coates family are xenophobic - something I don't even believe is true? A good number of our fans ARE xenophobic and are using the Coates family supposed xenophobia to excuse their own closed minds. And this list proved the point. And you telling me I can't vote for a foreign manager because it is "unrealistic" also proves my point. And the net result of those prejudices are that if the owners took that list seriously we would be damned to some of the most boring unimaginative football ever played. Beware what you wish for.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 11, 2019 12:07:00 GMT
Why no Roy Keane? 44% win rate in Championship management in 120 games We would settle for that now! One unlikeable Irishman's enough thanks
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 12:07:57 GMT
Allardyce is an exception. He's the kind of manager the regime would go for so in that sense he's in that mould. But he wouldn't take the job in a million years. And Klopp is the sort of manager I would like to see as our manager but he won't take the job in a million years either. So why would I be allowed to vote for Allardyce but not Klopp? Am I only allowed to vote for an unrealistic manager that conforms with your opinion that the Coates family are xenophobic - something I don't even believe is true? A good number of our fans ARE xenophobic and are using the Coates family supposed xenophobia to excuse their own closed minds. And this list proved the point. And you telling me I can't vote for a foreign manager because it is "unrealistic" also proves my point. And the net result of those prejudices are that if the owners took that list seriously we would be damned to some of the most boring unimaginative football ever played. Beware what you wish for. Sorry, this is utter cock and you know it. There's no projection here and it doesn't even necessarily have to about xenophobia - it's well known based on their appointment history dating back well over 20 years that the family generally goes for 'safe' British appointments. You have to go on the evidence available to you. That's what it is. I'm not xenophobic, I've been banging the drum about looking further afield for players and managers for ages. Precious few Stoke fans were unhappy at the prospect of QSF. So the question should be what's YOUR argument based on? Mine's based on stuff that's actually happened, not unicorns.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 11, 2019 12:12:30 GMT
As long as Jones doesn't spout the same drivel after this international break I am prepared to give him 5 more games to get us firing. Hopefully he will have formulated his best 11 and how to utilise them in a formation. If Badou is going to figure, then just face up and say so, not this he's in contention when clearly he isn't. He's had the bulk of the squad to work with this break. Bristol City will be a stern test for sure. Let's see what we are made of..
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 11, 2019 17:54:02 GMT
And Klopp is the sort of manager I would like to see as our manager but he won't take the job in a million years either. So why would I be allowed to vote for Allardyce but not Klopp? Am I only allowed to vote for an unrealistic manager that conforms with your opinion that the Coates family are xenophobic - something I don't even believe is true? A good number of our fans ARE xenophobic and are using the Coates family supposed xenophobia to excuse their own closed minds. And this list proved the point. And you telling me I can't vote for a foreign manager because it is "unrealistic" also proves my point. And the net result of those prejudices are that if the owners took that list seriously we would be damned to some of the most boring unimaginative football ever played. Beware what you wish for. Sorry, this is utter cock and you know it. There's no projection here and it doesn't even necessarily have to about xenophobia - it's well known based on their appointment history dating back well over 20 years that the family generally goes for 'safe' British appointments. You have to go on the evidence available to you. That's what it is. I'm not xenophobic, I've been banging the drum about looking further afield for players and managers for ages. Precious few Stoke fans were unhappy at the prospect of QSF. So the question should be what's YOUR argument based on? Mine's based on stuff that's actually happened, not unicorns. So you actually believe Coates wouldn't appointment a foreign manager so there is no point even putting one on the list? I get his track record but does that necessarily mean he wouldn't in the future? And out of interest - why do you think he would never appoint a foreign manager: - He doesn't rate foreign managers - which is a bit mad given their success rate
- He thinks it wouldn't go down well with supporters - which may be true of some but is self defeating in terms of being successful
- He is xenophobic - which I don't believe is true
I don't get it.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 11, 2019 18:32:03 GMT
Sorry, this is utter cock and you know it. There's no projection here and it doesn't even necessarily have to about xenophobia - it's well known based on their appointment history dating back well over 20 years that the family generally goes for 'safe' British appointments. You have to go on the evidence available to you. That's what it is. I'm not xenophobic, I've been banging the drum about looking further afield for players and managers for ages. Precious few Stoke fans were unhappy at the prospect of QSF. So the question should be what's YOUR argument based on? Mine's based on stuff that's actually happened, not unicorns. So you actually believe Coates wouldn't appointment a foreign manager so there is no point even putting one on the list? I get his track record but does that necessarily mean he wouldn't in the future? And out of interest - why do you think he would never appoint a foreign manager: - He doesn't rate foreign managers - which is a bit mad given their success rate
- He thinks it wouldn't go down well with supporters - which may be true of some but is self defeating in terms of being successful
- He is xenophobic - which I don't believe is true
I don't get it. It's clear the real reason is one hasn't been recommended to him yet in his local...
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Post by march4 on Sept 11, 2019 20:17:24 GMT
So you actually believe Coates wouldn't appointment a foreign manager so there is no point even putting one on the list? I get his track record but does that necessarily mean he wouldn't in the future? And out of interest - why do you think he would never appoint a foreign manager: - He doesn't rate foreign managers - which is a bit mad given their success rate
- He thinks it wouldn't go down well with supporters - which may be true of some but is self defeating in terms of being successful
- He is xenophobic - which I don't believe is true
I don't get it. It's clear the real reason is one hasn't been recommended to him yet in his local... I must get down there then and tell him about this young Welsh manager who likes to wear a baseball cap on the touch line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 20:21:00 GMT
Might aswell bin this thread. It's clear Jones isn't going anywhere soon.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 11, 2019 20:29:34 GMT
Might aswell bin this thread. It's clear Jones isn't going anywhere soon. It's still on a knife edge. He's just trying to take a bit of pressure off him to try and spark things in the short-term. But another 2-3 weeks of this and things will have to come to a head and things will be unsalvageable. 14 Dec : "I don't know what all the fuss is about" 6 Jan: "We thank Mark and wish him well for the future" May : "....with hindsight, we perhaps should have made an earlier change."
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 11, 2019 20:31:08 GMT
It's clear the real reason is one hasn't been recommended to him yet in his local... I must get down there then and tell him about this young Welsh manager who likes to wear a baseball cap on the touch line. ??????????????
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 11, 2019 20:34:27 GMT
I've changed my mind. I think jones should stay forever, having listened to peter coates interview. I've also paid special consideration to the postings of the oatcake intelligentsia,in particular zerpies
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 11, 2019 21:02:53 GMT
I've changed my mind. I think jones should stay forever, having listened to peter coates interview. I've also paid special consideration to the postings of the oatcake intelligentsia,in particular zerpies How about a lifetime contract if we get relegated? Because I wouldn't fucking put it past us right now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 21:55:39 GMT
Sorry, this is utter cock and you know it. There's no projection here and it doesn't even necessarily have to about xenophobia - it's well known based on their appointment history dating back well over 20 years that the family generally goes for 'safe' British appointments. You have to go on the evidence available to you. That's what it is. I'm not xenophobic, I've been banging the drum about looking further afield for players and managers for ages. Precious few Stoke fans were unhappy at the prospect of QSF. So the question should be what's YOUR argument based on? Mine's based on stuff that's actually happened, not unicorns. So you actually believe Coates wouldn't appointment a foreign manager so there is no point even putting one on the list? I get his track record but does that necessarily mean he wouldn't in the future? And out of interest - why do you think he would never appoint a foreign manager: - He doesn't rate foreign managers - which is a bit mad given their success rate
- He thinks it wouldn't go down well with supporters - which may be true of some but is self defeating in terms of being successful
- He is xenophobic - which I don't believe is true
I don't get it. He prefers the ‘safe’ option and foreign managers are more of a gamble. Same reason that more often than not he’s favoured experience over younger managers. Don’t forget that his choice when his son wanted QSF was Martin O’Neill. What makes you think he would appoint a left-field, Farke/Silva/Carvalhal type? What suggests we have those kind of contacts, are prepared to cast the net that wide or that we have that kind of vision?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2019 22:39:08 GMT
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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 23:31:00 GMT
he’s surely a goner, isn’t he ?
Bottom of the league 1 point from a possible 21 Essentially 5 points adrift taking our goal difference into account 17 goals conceded 3 wins in 28 games
What the hell is ot going to take ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 15, 2019 8:07:55 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 15, 2019 8:09:19 GMT
Alan curbs or MON to satisfy the masses, curbs might turn diouf into Clive mendonca
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Sept 15, 2019 8:10:21 GMT
ANTHONY RICHARD PULIS
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 15, 2019 12:38:45 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all the big 4 of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference?
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 15, 2019 12:41:09 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference? Moyes Hughton Allardyce Pulis
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 15, 2019 12:41:19 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference? 1. Allardyce 2. Hughton 3. Moyes 4. Pulis
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 15, 2019 12:48:59 GMT
It's a tricky one.
Pulis would be a distant 4 - but if any of the other 3 were willing to come, they should be appointed tomorrow.
I'd probably go:
Big Sam, Hughton, Moyes - but I'd be very happy with any of them.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 15, 2019 12:50:23 GMT
The chances are ridiculously remote - but with the surprising story that Allardyce is apparently open to a non-Prem move, if theoretically all the big 4 of Hughton, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis were open to coming, how would you rank them in terms of your preference? Jones Allardyce Pulis Moyes Hughton
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Post by robrigo on Sept 15, 2019 12:53:06 GMT
I’m not keen on Moyes for some reason- never have been.
However it’s not about who I like, it’s who would sort us out.
1. Big Sam 2. Hughton 3. The capped one 4. Moyes
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Post by zerps on Sept 15, 2019 12:56:04 GMT
I’m surprised people aren’t asking for Brian Clough.
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Post by zerps on Sept 15, 2019 12:56:27 GMT
Anyone that managed in the 90’s will save us.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 15, 2019 12:58:54 GMT
Anyone but Jones and Rowett!
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 15, 2019 13:08:07 GMT
1. Houghton 2. Monk 3. Pulis 4. Moyes I really can't understand what the board is waiting for!?
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