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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 9:03:19 GMT
Try and realise that mourinho would struggle at stoke currently. Clueless! If Mourinho was in change for last 8 months and brought 10+ of his own players in then I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be sitting bottom of the championship and looking like team of strangers. Just have to look at likes of Swansea who were in far worse position then us when we got relegated to realise that argument is flawed. It’s not flawed when how many managers have tried and failed here?
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Post by milky on Aug 25, 2019 9:07:53 GMT
I think its fair to say its not going to happen here for Nath.
Which is a shame , especially seen as he has just signed about 12 players.
I reckon he has 2 games this side of the international break to save his neck.
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Post by linfitstokie on Aug 25, 2019 9:10:49 GMT
can someone put a link up of the first goal every player is in the left hand third of the pitch leaving the other two thirds to mc clean
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 25, 2019 9:16:05 GMT
Try and realise that mourinho would struggle at stoke currently. Clueless! If Mourinho was in change for last 8 months and brought 10+ of his own players in then I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be sitting bottom of the championship and looking like team of strangers. Just have to look at likes of Swansea who were in far worse position then us when we got relegated to realise that argument is flawed. It’s hard to define “worse position” though isn’t it. At this point we either believe that all of our recent managers are shit... or we look elsewhere for a problem that bridges all of their tenures. What’s happened in the last 3 years that leads you to believe that sacking this manager and putting someone else in will turn us around?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 9:19:52 GMT
Clueless! If Mourinho was in change for last 8 months and brought 10+ of his own players in then I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be sitting bottom of the championship and looking like team of strangers. Just have to look at likes of Swansea who were in far worse position then us when we got relegated to realise that argument is flawed. It’s hard to define “worse position” though isn’t it. At this point we either believe that all of our recent managers are shit... or we look elsewhere for a problem that bridges all of their tenures. What’s happened in the last 3 years that leads you to believe that sacking this manager and putting someone else in will turn us around? That none of the managers were qualified to do do the job being asked of them at the time: 1. Lambert - save us from relegation although in his defence he saw were the problems were and did the best he could with the tools he had 2. Rowett - handle a £50m transfer budget to achieve automatic promotion 3. Jones - make an immediate play off push and a quick return to the Premier League (Luton could only ever go up) Now we need a manager to stop the rot and organise us. Who is able to play to the strengths of the players we have. Face the facts of where we are and it’s vital to get the right man for the job.
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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 9:24:34 GMT
Clueless! If Mourinho was in change for last 8 months and brought 10+ of his own players in then I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be sitting bottom of the championship and looking like team of strangers. Just have to look at likes of Swansea who were in far worse position then us when we got relegated to realise that argument is flawed. It’s hard to define “worse position” though isn’t it. At this point we either believe that all of our recent managers are shit... or we look elsewhere for a problem that bridges all of their tenures. What’s happened in the last 3 years that leads you to believe that sacking this manager and putting someone else in will turn us around? Utter sense
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Post by mrred on Aug 25, 2019 9:24:59 GMT
If you think that's bad, take a look...
Right up there with 'ambition'.
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 25, 2019 9:33:15 GMT
Clueless! If Mourinho was in change for last 8 months and brought 10+ of his own players in then I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be sitting bottom of the championship and looking like team of strangers. Just have to look at likes of Swansea who were in far worse position then us when we got relegated to realise that argument is flawed. It’s not flawed when how many managers have tried and failed here? The managers that have failed bought the players they failed/are failing with (except Paul Lambert). If I spend x amount of money to do something and mess up, when I've had time to evaluate and put things right it is my fault. Jones had half a season to realise what is wrong and how to fix it. He had all summer to put this in place and with the exception of the Derby game, we looked better with the team we put out last season. But having said that I want Jones to succeed here but I'm not going to make excuses for him and blame everyone else for something he has failed to address. This is on Jones and he needs to sort it quickly if he wants to have any future here.
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 25, 2019 9:47:43 GMT
Clueless! If Mourinho was in change for last 8 months and brought 10+ of his own players in then I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be sitting bottom of the championship and looking like team of strangers. Just have to look at likes of Swansea who were in far worse position then us when we got relegated to realise that argument is flawed. It’s not flawed when how many managers have tried and failed here? I'm sorry, Rowett didn't fail. It was crap and inevitably he wanted the sack but it was referred to again in the match commentary about him falling out with the pizza idiots at the end of the transfer window and from then on, after failing to get his targets and relying on crap loans which he said he would never do, he basically did a mourinho at United. It's that the right thing to do? Ask yourself what you would do when you resent the twats trying to tell you how to do your job???? Honestly, Hughes failed mostly due to the process as with modern teams the manager doesn't simply hand pick players, that's not how it should work with "the process. Managers today are basically first team coaches with the key word bring escorts as staff backing them up. Jones is finding things the same but I far he is even more of a yes man and a front for this absolutely wank process. Are the managers to blame for results? Definitely, but recruitment is a while different matter. NJ has had to front being the decision maker, yet he has no experience of the league, who are his advisors??? Anyway, we have to move on and I would prefer someone who pissed the terrible board room off and scraps the whole "process" in favour of either someone who can identify players and a system that doesn't rely on Tony fooking scholes.
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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 9:51:58 GMT
It’s not flawed when how many managers have tried and failed here? I'm sorry, Rowett didn't fail. It was crap and inevitably he wanted the sack but it was referred to again in the match commentary about him falling out with the pizza idiots at the end of the transfer window and from then on, after failing to get his targets and relying on crap loans which he said he would never do, he basically did a mourinho at United. It's that the right thing to do? Ask yourself what you would do when you resent the twats trying to tell you how to do your job???? Honestly, Hughes failed mostly due to the process as with modern teams the manager doesn't simply hand pick players, that's not how it should work with "the process. Managers today are basically first team coaches with the key word bring escorts as staff backing them up. Jones is finding things the same but I far he is even more of a yes man and a front for this absolutely wank process. Are the managers to blame for results? Definitely, but recruitment is a while different matter. NJ has had to front being the decision maker, yet he has no experience of the league, who are his advisors??? Anyway, we have to move on and I would prefer someone who pissed the terrible board room off and scraps the whole "process" in favour of either someone who can identify players and a system that doesn't rely on Tony fooking scholes. Rowett publicly fell out with the fans. He committed the cardinal sin of football management. And his trainers are shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 9:53:46 GMT
It might be a case of the Clough and Taylors. Clough was pretty wank without Taylor by his side. Maybe Harford was more important than we realised
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 25, 2019 9:59:21 GMT
I'm sorry, Rowett didn't fail. It was crap and inevitably he wanted the sack but it was referred to again in the match commentary about him falling out with the pizza idiots at the end of the transfer window and from then on, after failing to get his targets and relying on crap loans which he said he would never do, he basically did a mourinho at United. It's that the right thing to do? Ask yourself what you would do when you resent the twats trying to tell you how to do your job???? Honestly, Hughes failed mostly due to the process as with modern teams the manager doesn't simply hand pick players, that's not how it should work with "the process. Managers today are basically first team coaches with the key word bring escorts as staff backing them up. Jones is finding things the same but I far he is even more of a yes man and a front for this absolutely wank process. Are the managers to blame for results? Definitely, but recruitment is a while different matter. NJ has had to front being the decision maker, yet he has no experience of the league, who are his advisors??? Anyway, we have to move on and I would prefer someone who pissed the terrible board room off and scraps the whole "process" in favour of either someone who can identify players and a system that doesn't rely on Tony fooking scholes. Rowett publicly fell out with the fans. He committed the cardinal sin of football management. And his trainers are shit. For me he wanted to go. The job was shit, "who else would do the job". Anyway with the same group we had now we were not bottom so for me he was actually doing ok. Not good but not disastrous, until the end. If the pizza boys didn't get in the way I don't think he would have gone against the fans, see comparisons with mourinho.
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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 10:06:30 GMT
Rowett publicly fell out with the fans. He committed the cardinal sin of football management. And his trainers are shit. For me he wanted to go. The job was shit, "who else would do the job". Anyway with the same group we had now we were not bottom so for me he was actually doing ok. Not good but not disastrous, until the end. If the pizza boys didn't get in the way I don't think he would have gone against the fans, see comparisons with mourinho. He went out of his way not to bond with the fans starting on our pre season tour
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Post by minnierover on Aug 25, 2019 10:16:43 GMT
Its hard not to say that in your head as David Brent. Said before but our board should have insisted on Harford coming with him and paid the extra compensation. Harford’s been with him since 2016 doing mainly player recruitment, we could have done with his input this summer considering what we’ve ended up with. Part of the deal that allowed Jones to leave was that Hartford stayed at Luton. The guy is Luton through and through and didn't actually want to leave anyway. No don’t think he is actually, played for them twice but has had jobs at about 13 other clubs. He moves for money and ambition. Our board failed to read into the bigger picture of Luton’s success and should have insisted on Hartford or pulled out. Poor planning.
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Post by meirparkpotter on Aug 25, 2019 10:24:14 GMT
Part of the deal that allowed Jones to leave was that Hartford stayed at Luton. The guy is Luton through and through and didn't actually want to leave anyway. No don’t think he is actually, played for them twice but has had jobs at about 13 other clubs. He moves for money and ambition. Our board failed to read into the bigger picture of Luton’s success and should have insisted on Hartford or pulled out. Poor planning. Poor planning? At Stoke?... Doesn't sound like us *cough splutter*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 10:35:06 GMT
Part of the deal that allowed Jones to leave was that Hartford stayed at Luton. The guy is Luton through and through and didn't actually want to leave anyway. No don’t think he is actually, played for them twice but has had jobs at about 13 other clubs. He moves for money and ambition. Our board failed to read into the bigger picture of Luton’s success and should have insisted on Hartford or pulled out. Poor planning. Same with Rowett wasn’t it. Who was the guy thought to be the brains behind the operation at Derby?
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2019 10:46:18 GMT
If you think that's bad, take a look... Right up there with 'ambition'. If only a few After Effects filters could be used to jazz up what we see on the pitch. Hashtag: wrong type of glitch
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 25, 2019 10:48:11 GMT
If you think that's bad, take a look... Right up there with 'ambition'. If only a few After Effects filters could be used to jazz up what we see on the pitch. Hashtag: wrong type of glitch Maybe the club can hand out some augmented reality headsets.
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2019 10:52:19 GMT
If only a few After Effects filters could be used to jazz up what we see on the pitch. Hashtag: wrong type of glitch Maybe the club can hand out some augmented reality headsets. Stokemon Go! (considers drawing Pikachu in red and white stripes and Squirtle in Dayglo green goalie kit but thinks better of it
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Post by noustie on Aug 25, 2019 11:04:38 GMT
I haven't aged well either since his diamond formation drove me into a crystal meth addiction funded by giving out blowjobs two for a tenner.
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 25, 2019 12:14:34 GMT
He’s the football equivalent of one of those American Evangelists with a tv show, huge audiences, and loads of money for talking absolute bollocks.
The absolute bollocks, by the way, are spoken very eloquently......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 12:23:13 GMT
If you think that's bad, take a look... Right up there with 'ambition'. Jesus wept,all we have to do is buy into it folks and everything will be rosy
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 25, 2019 12:27:16 GMT
Is there any other manager in recent history that has not been sacked after such a poor record?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 13:07:12 GMT
He’s the football equivalent of one of those American Evangelists with a tv show, huge audiences, and loads of money for talking absolute bollocks. The absolute bollocks, by the way, are spoken very eloquently...... Unfortunately some people are already fully paid up members of the cult. Odd that people will just blindly follow someone when nothing he’s done matches up to his words.
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Post by onionman on Aug 25, 2019 13:09:09 GMT
How’s his plan to manage Barcelona one day going?
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 25, 2019 13:32:50 GMT
Different levels altogether, it's clear to see and hear from his interviews now he's completely out of his depth and has no idea how to turn it around. The job is to big for him. Bury your head in the sand but the guy has massive whiff of Steve Cotterill about him. Good recorded in the Micky mouse leagues, talks good game but fundamentally can't cut it at this level. Try and realise that mourinho would struggle at stoke currently. I can see The Oatcake headline tomorrow “Zerps ITK says Mourinho coming to Stoke”
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 25, 2019 14:01:28 GMT
“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.” Albert Einstein Did Albert know Felonious then...
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