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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 25, 2019 7:06:58 GMT
On ability are we a relegation team? We're certainly not a top 10 team but I certainly don't think we're a bottom 3 team either. For the people STILL backing Jones - On confidence and motivation we are probably 24th and confidence and motivation come from the management down. Unless something drastically changes i.e. the management, we'll go down. It's a matter of when not if he goes and like Hughes the longer they leave it the more damage will be done. The worst thing about the whole debacle for me has been the talk of promotion pre season when the powers that be knew damn well it was never even a realistic proposition. As I've said in another thread you dont make the signings we've made if promotion is the aim. They're cost saving signings which there is nothing wrong with if you're honest and say that. But to talk about promotion in order to sell season tickets and know damn well it's not the real aim is wrong. And who exactly do you suggest we replace him with? It’s not exactly a dream job. Pulis.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2019 7:36:16 GMT
He has had close to 30 games now and how many have we won? When Rowett starts to resemble a mastermind I think it's time to wake up! This isn't good enough and as I've said earlier tonight I think the players have lost their belief in him as well. He can't be given more than a couple of games now before turning it around, if not we have to start looking for the right man to keep us up. In fact I hope we already have someone in our sight as a possible replacement. The yardstick for me Rob would be 6 more points minimum by the Forest game (4more games) otherwise I'd worry that our position, coupled with the players psyche places us in real danger. I think relationships with other candidates do need be groomed behind the scenes so at least they're is pre planning. I never thought I'd say this because I have thought that NJ is a breath of fresh air and I have believed he would succeed but something is wrong. This is a resultbased business, too few points after a certain number of games mean you'll have to go. That's the life of football I'm afraid.
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Post by Davef on Aug 25, 2019 9:20:08 GMT
In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Really?? With the garbage we have had to put up with since he left. Yeah, we get it, you love Pulis. Stop talking rubbish though.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 25, 2019 9:21:20 GMT
I'll say it. Too good to go down, just a few teething problems, as soon as jones goes 4231 we wont look back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 9:22:49 GMT
I'll say it. Too good to go down, just a few teething problems, as soon as jones goes 4231 we wont look back You’re basically admitting Jones is shit with that 👍
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 25, 2019 9:24:07 GMT
I'll say it. Too good to go down, just a few teething problems, as soon as jones goes 4231 we wont look back You’re basically admitting Jones is shit with that 👍 Not really, why wouldnt he have belief and a good go at the formation he has been 'highly successful' with? Wouldnt you?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 9:25:12 GMT
You’re basically admitting Jones is shit with that 👍 Not really, why wouldnt he have belief and a good go at the formation he has been 'highly successful' with? Wouldnt you? Because Stevie Wonder can see we haven’t got the players for it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 9:26:10 GMT
You’re basically admitting Jones is shit with that 👍 Not really, why wouldnt he have belief and a good go at the formation he has been 'highly successful' with? Wouldnt you? Because he doesn’t have the player for it and we’re in a different league with better managers and better players who will exploit its weaknesses. He’s either an idiot or just extremely naive.
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 25, 2019 9:32:06 GMT
Big clubs rotate all the time balancing cup competitions. At the time the accusation levelled at TP and the club was we weren't being ambitious enough. Don't you think it's ironic the one time he managed the team like we were a big club he got this criticism? In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Staying in the Premier League was far more important than a run in the Europa League (we wouldnt have won it). Therefore that made the Swansea game a much bigger game in the clubs history than Valencia. Fans like you spout stuff like that because you enjoyed your European Jollies so much. You can't look at it logically from the clubs point of view. You'd rather chase pie in the sky dreams munching on your paella than look at it rationally.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 25, 2019 9:33:34 GMT
In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Staying in the Premier League was far more important than a run in the Europa League (we wouldnt have won it). Therefore that made the Swansea game a much bigger game in the clubs history than Valencia. Fans like you spout stuff like that because you enjoyed your European Jollies so much. You can't look at it logically from the clubs point of view. You'd rather chase pie in the sky dreams munching on your paella than look at it rationally. No passport then ?
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 25, 2019 9:37:59 GMT
Staying in the Premier League was far more important than a run in the Europa League (we wouldnt have won it). Therefore that made the Swansea game a much bigger game in the clubs history than Valencia. Fans like you spout stuff like that because you enjoyed your European Jollies so much. You can't look at it logically from the clubs point of view. You'd rather chase pie in the sky dreams munching on your paella than look at it rationally. No passport then ? No I went and I enjoyed it and I was disappointed with the squad selection. But I'm intelligent enough to understand why he did it and I can go to Benidorm whenever I want.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 25, 2019 9:48:20 GMT
Not really, why wouldnt he have belief and a good go at the formation he has been 'highly successful' with? Wouldnt you? Because Stevie Wonder can see we haven’t got the players for it? How many are we off it you reckon?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 9:49:45 GMT
Because Stevie Wonder can see we haven’t got the players for it? How many are we off it you reckon? For the diamond? A goalie. A left back. A DM. A CM 2 strikers
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2019 9:57:30 GMT
In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Staying in the Premier League was far more important than a run in the Europa League (we wouldnt have won it). Therefore that made the Swansea game a much bigger game in the clubs history than Valencia. Fans like you spout stuff like that because you enjoyed your European Jollies so much. You can't look at it logically from the clubs point of view. You'd rather chase pie in the sky dreams munching on your paella than look at it rationally. 😂😂😂😂 Hell's teeth man you're hilarious. Swansea at home the biggest game in the club's history, even march wouldn't come up with shite like that. More revisionism from the Cult of Pulis
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 25, 2019 10:05:08 GMT
Staying in the Premier League was far more important than a run in the Europa League (we wouldnt have won it). Therefore that made the Swansea game a much bigger game in the clubs history than Valencia. Fans like you spout stuff like that because you enjoyed your European Jollies so much. You can't look at it logically from the clubs point of view. You'd rather chase pie in the sky dreams munching on your paella than look at it rationally. 😂😂😂😂 Hell's teeth man you're hilarious. Swansea at home the biggest game in the club's history, even march wouldn't come up with shite like that. More revisionism from the Cult of Pulis We've tried it the Cult of Pulis way and we've tried it the Pie in the Sky Dreamers way, getting rid of Pulis and signing sexy technical players. Look how it's turned out.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 25, 2019 16:36:12 GMT
How many are we off it you reckon? For the diamond? A goalie. A left back. A DM. A CM 2 strikers 2 strikers? Why? Agree on the 3 others. So jones' system is shit because he doesnt have the players for it? Also, jones is shit because his system isn't working even when there are 3 players missing, imo & 5 players missing iyo? Why not just give the guy time to change it before writing him off as ' out of his depth', he isn't going to write it off after 2 games that would be ridiculous, he has to give """" any """"" system/formation chance to work. If you flip a coin twice and it lands heads twice, does that mean your next ten flips are going to land heads? the more often we hire and fire the less chance we will have of attracting anybody worth their salt. We'll be in the dowie category before long.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 25, 2019 16:43:14 GMT
How many are we off it you reckon? For the diamond? A goalie. A left back. A DM. A CM 2 strikers Also Is it Jones's fault he was brought to the club under the circumstances he come into with a squad of players unable to play his system? there is only so much we can do in a window and we have been heavily active in both since his arrival, he needs another 2 windows. Is it Jones' fault we missed out on justin? Is it Jones' fault we missed out on Justin's team mate on the other side?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 25, 2019 16:47:24 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Hell's teeth man you're hilarious. Swansea at home the biggest game in the club's history, even march wouldn't come up with shite like that. More revisionism from the Cult of Pulis We've tried it the Cult of Pulis way and we've tried it the Pie in the Sky Dreamers way, getting rid of Pulis and signing sexy technical players. Look how it's turned out. Yeah we we’re playing the best football I’ve ever seen us play with the best players I’ve ever seen us have long after that capped dinosaur left, rank bad running of the club from top to bottom, we can’t even keep serve edible pies for Christ’s sake, poor signings and poor due diligence is what’s landed us what is likely a gruelling stint in the third tier. Absolutely shite all to do with Pulis, and these deluded minions are quite frankly mentally ill, the world is bigger than a malicious, tracksuited fraud. To state we’re in this mess because we got rid of the most divisive manager in English football who was scared of his own shadow and had the front to throw our biggest game for a fucking league fixture, and THEN tried to justify it when many Stokies worked their bags off to be able to cobble together enough money to attend is quite frankly, the ramblings of a complete nutcase.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 17:21:24 GMT
We wouldn't have scored in 40 games. Is that a curse you've just thrown upon us? Now we won't score for the next 39...
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 17:35:34 GMT
Before yesterday,I believed Jones would have us moving up the table,I wasn't expecting to beat Leeds,but the way we played or didn't play,I no longer think he is the tight man for the job.
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Aug 25, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
Before yesterday,I believed Jones would have us moving up the table,I wasn't expecting to beat Leeds,but the way we played or didn't play,I no longer think he is the tight man for the job. He's clearly not tight. 9mil on Vokes the lad spent.
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Post by jarvinski on Aug 25, 2019 18:36:06 GMT
Jones out
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 25, 2019 18:44:45 GMT
We're in to 6/1 from about 25/1 with Denise if anyone fancies a punt. Still good value there I reckon.
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Post by prettything on Aug 25, 2019 18:47:39 GMT
We've tried it the Cult of Pulis way and we've tried it the Pie in the Sky Dreamers way, getting rid of Pulis and signing sexy technical players. Look how it's turned out. Yeah we we’re playing the best football I’ve ever seen us play with the best players I’ve ever seen us have long after that capped dinosaur left, rank bad running of the club from top to bottom, we can’t even keep serve edible pies for Christ’s sake, poor signings and poor due diligence is what’s landed us what is likely a gruelling stint in the third tier. Absolutely shite all to do with Pulis, and these deluded minions are quite frankly mentally ill, the world is bigger than a malicious, tracksuited fraud. To state we’re in this mess because we got rid of the most divisive manager in English football who was scared of his own shadow and had the front to throw our biggest game for a fucking league fixture, and THEN tried to justify it when many Stokies worked their bags off to be able to cobble together enough money to attend is quite frankly, the ramblings of a complete nutcase. Pulis was responsible for our promotion into the top tier and a meteoric rise in our profile and success. With that success, we witnessed the purchase of our stadium, the transformation of our training ground, becoming world class, but unfortunately our fans expectations had the same effect. We need a win in the next two games . If not, it is obvious that there are issues in our football club that are not being communicated. I welcomed the idea of a young, successful manager, coming in. We all did. To blame Scholes or anybody else is ridiculous. Only hindsight gives this view. There is something fundamentally wrong. Pulis is the only person who knows the club and our city, inside out. It won’t be pretty, but we won’t go down under his management. It’s maybe time to bite the bullet and accept the reality we are witnessing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2019 18:48:16 GMT
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 25, 2019 19:23:03 GMT
Look at Norwich down there in 18th place with only 3 more points than Ipswich. BM
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Post by RAF on Aug 25, 2019 19:32:08 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho.
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Post by marwood on Aug 25, 2019 19:38:24 GMT
In this TP interview article with the BBC earlier this month, in addition to comparing himself to Napoleon, it's clear he's limbering up for one last hurrah www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49328132August way too early for him, but he's talking about doing a quick fix somewhere
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 25, 2019 19:40:11 GMT
In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Staying in the Premier League was far more important than a run in the Europa League (we wouldnt have won it). Therefore that made the Swansea game a much bigger game in the clubs history than Valencia. Fans like you spout stuff like that because you enjoyed your European Jollies so much. You can't look at it logically from the clubs point of view. You'd rather chase pie in the sky dreams munching on your paella than look at it rationally. Thank you
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Post by an348398 on Aug 25, 2019 19:47:52 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H Well said that man, I’m convinced NJ will get us on the right path again given sufficient time, granted things are not great at the moment but changing manager every five minutes is not the answer. There were signs against Charlton and Derby that things were beginning to click....intermittent kamikaze defending / keeping aside which quite frankly the manager can’t legislate for, the players need to take some of the fucking heat for this.
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