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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 23:48:38 GMT
Most relegated teams probably think they’re too good to go down until they do, all it takes is a poor managerial appointment who signs shit players, throw in a couple of injuries and it can happen.
Look at the players jones has signed, they’re underwhelming to say the least.
I think we could be in trouble here.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 24, 2019 23:52:52 GMT
Hopefully you don't think I've shouted you down (apologies if I've come across that way!). Football is all about opinions and, like I said, whilst I understand and respect why some people like the idea of Pulis coming back, it just isn't for me. I guess at the end of the day we, the fans, don't get a say anyway. The more pressing question is whether those in charge are capable of making the right decision (which is a different matter entirely). Whoever is manager I will always try and support - we all want the best for this club at the end of the day. Not at all! It is nice to have a reasonable discussion with someone on the point to be honest without being told to fuck off! Indeed, whether they will get it right next time is anyone’s guess. I don’t have much faith but it has to be right this time. I’m just hoping Peter puts his foot down. Johns choices all seem a bit pie in the sky! I get what you mean. One of the reasons why I don't post on here a great deal anymore is that the opportunity for debate is limited at times. I just felt after today's performance that I had to throw my little bit out there (for what it's worth!). I think that the next decision or two (stick with Jones or not / who to appoint if he does depart) will define the club for the next decade. If we get it wrong we might end up plodding around in the third tier again. I understand the decision to appoint Jones (bright young coach, a clear philosophy etc.) but I don't think anyone would have expected him to have such a poor record at after nearly thirty games. I said on a different thread that in a perfect world it would be nice to stick the course and keep faith with Jones and his long-term vision. But in reality the cost of dropping out of this league is too great not to take action sooner rather than later. I hope that Jones does turn it around (somehow!) but the reality looks very different at the moment!
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 24, 2019 23:54:59 GMT
This is all assuming TP would want to come back. We maybe being arrogant assuming he would. I reckon theres a chance he'd take a look at the squad and say no thanks. Bang average goalies, only Batth and Shawcross in the shape of TP defenders, no leaders in midfield nobody to hold the ball up and no pace. And a fan base who are a bunch of ungrateful ********.
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 23:55:06 GMT
We need some leadership from somewhere. There is none on the pitch and little seems to be coming from the managerial team.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 24, 2019 23:55:43 GMT
I do sometimes wonder if the supporters of other football clubs have the same all-consuming obsession with former managers that our fanbase has with Pulis(?). I find it so bizzare that we always have to look backwards. There are thousands of professional football managers across the globe, so why does it always have to come back to Pulis? Can't we just all move on? I fully respect what he achieved here but there is little doubt that the modern game has now moved on - his pragmatic philosophy is toxic and, judging by his performance at his previous two clubs, not as effective as it once was. I am struggling to see how Jones will be able to survive beyond the the next international break. But appointing Pulis would just be another further step backwards - it would be little more than a short-term fix and would do little to resolve this club's deep-rooted issues. He's the best we'll get it's that simple. We've tried moving on with 4 separate managers now and they've all failed (Hughes 3 9th place finishes can easily be put down to having the spine of a Pulis team). You want to get another bright young thing in like Jones? Any why is his approach 'toxic'? Besides Waddington his is the only real approach we've ever had sucess with. I thought you were earlier in the thread but you've dropped you guard now and it's clear that you're just trolling ... "Hughes three 9th place finishes can easily be put down to having the spine of a Pulis team." Jesus ...
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 24, 2019 23:57:16 GMT
He's the best we'll get it's that simple. We've tried moving on with 4 separate managers now and they've all failed (Hughes 3 9th place finishes can easily be put down to having the spine of a Pulis team). You want to get another bright young thing in like Jones? Any why is his approach 'toxic'? Besides Waddington his is the only real approach we've ever had sucess with. I thought you were earlier in the thread but you've dropped you guard now and it's clear that you're just trolling ... "Hughes three 9th place finishes can easily be put down to having the spine of a Pulis team." Jesus ... When the Pulis players went (and Arnautovic) it fell apart.
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2019 0:00:36 GMT
This is all assuming TP would want to come back. We maybe being arrogant assuming he would. I reckon theres a chance he'd take a look at the squad and say no thanks. Bang average goalies, only Batth and Shawcross in the shape of TP defenders, no leaders in midfield nobody to hold the ball up and no pace. And a fan base who are a bunch of ungrateful ********. 1 TP would love to prove a point to the doubters 2 Would he come back if the 'process' was still in place? 3 He will fit the current personel into a 4-4-1-1 fairly easily. The one up front wll be the hardest role to fill but that has been the story for three years. Ultimately, he will garner the points to steady the ship and get us up to mid-table. The question for me is what will happen next summer. Does TP stay for the promotion push? Do we move him upstairs to mentor a younger manager? Do we give him large amounts of money, say thank you and wish him well for the rest of his career?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2019 0:00:38 GMT
I thought you were earlier in the thread but you've dropped you guard now and it's clear that you're just trolling ... "Hughes three 9th place finishes can easily be put down to having the spine of a Pulis team." Jesus ... When the Pulis players went (and Arnautovic) it fell apart. As I said ... just trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 0:02:20 GMT
This is all assuming TP would want to come back. We maybe being arrogant assuming he would. I reckon theres a chance he'd take a look at the squad and say no thanks. Bang average goalies, only Batth and Shawcross in the shape of TP defenders, no leaders in midfield nobody to hold the ball up and no pace. And a fan base who are a bunch of ungrateful ********. 1 TP would love to prove a point to the doubters 2 Would he come back if the 'process' was still in place? 3 He will fit the current personel into a 4-4-1-1 fairly easily. The one up front wll be the hardest role to fill but that has been the story for three years. Ultimately, he will garner the points to steady the ship and get us up to mid-table. The question for me is what will happen next summer. Does TP stay for the promotion push? Do we move him upstairs to mentor a younger manager? Do we give him large amounts of money, say thank you and wish him well for the rest of his career? Steady the sinking ship then move him upstairs would be a good idea IMO.
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2019 0:04:20 GMT
1 TP would love to prove a point to the doubters 2 Would he come back if the 'process' was still in place? 3 He will fit the current personel into a 4-4-1-1 fairly easily. The one up front wll be the hardest role to fill but that has been the story for three years. Ultimately, he will garner the points to steady the ship and get us up to mid-table. The question for me is what will happen next summer. Does TP stay for the promotion push? Do we move him upstairs to mentor a younger manager? Do we give him large amounts of money, say thank you and wish him well for the rest of his career? Steady the sinking ship then move him upstairs would be a good idea IMO. Hopefully, those who can't stand him would accept that as it would steady the ship and put the club back together.
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 25, 2019 0:09:29 GMT
When the Pulis players went (and Arnautovic) it fell apart. As I said ... just trolling. So you're point of view is Hughes is a managerial genius?
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 25, 2019 0:09:46 GMT
After urging the fans to save their money and get out there in numbers? Disrespectful doesn’t even cover it, it was contemptuous. Big clubs rotate all the time balancing cup competitions. At the time the accusation levelled at TP and the club was we weren't being ambitious enough. Don't you think it's ironic the one time he managed the team like we were a big club he got this criticism? Mate he didn’t even fill the bench. It was a complete and utter piss-take
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2019 0:13:25 GMT
Big clubs rotate all the time balancing cup competitions. At the time the accusation levelled at TP and the club was we weren't being ambitious enough. Don't you think it's ironic the one time he managed the team like we were a big club he got this criticism? Mate he didn’t even fill the bench. It was a complete and utter piss-take Nevertheless, we need him now like never before.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2019 0:15:31 GMT
After urging the fans to save their money and get out there in numbers? Disrespectful doesn’t even cover it, it was contemptuous. Big clubs rotate all the time balancing cup competitions. At the time the accusation levelled at TP and the club was we weren't being ambitious enough. Don't you think it's ironic the one time he managed the team like we were a big club he got this criticism? In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless.
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2019 0:18:09 GMT
Big clubs rotate all the time balancing cup competitions. At the time the accusation levelled at TP and the club was we weren't being ambitious enough. Don't you think it's ironic the one time he managed the team like we were a big club he got this criticism? In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Really?? With the garbage we have had to put up with since he left.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2019 0:18:58 GMT
I thought you were earlier in the thread but you've dropped you guard now and it's clear that you're just trolling ... "Hughes three 9th place finishes can easily be put down to having the spine of a Pulis team." Jesus ... When the Pulis players went (and Arnautovic) it fell apart. When the Hughes players came in they finished higher in the table
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 25, 2019 0:19:03 GMT
People are quick to draw comparisons with Sunderland but that’s way off the mark. This would be much, much worse than Sunderland who didn’t invest when they were relegated to the Championship. We have spent millions and millions and had a £9 million striker not even in the squad today. A relegation to League One could see us in very, very dangerous trouble financially.
How has it come to this?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2019 0:21:37 GMT
In one of the biggest games in the clubs history because he got nervous about bloody Swansea? Sums the man up to a tea. Spineless. Really?? With the garbage we have had to put up with since he left. I've already asked you. Don't quote me to type bollocks.
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Post by pushon on Aug 25, 2019 0:36:30 GMT
Yes,alright smartarse, it looks as though you're being proved right again!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 0:37:08 GMT
Yes,alright smartarse, it looks as though you're being proved right again! I mean it’s been obvious since about March sadly.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 25, 2019 0:38:19 GMT
Yes,alright smartarse, it looks as though you're being proved right again! I mean it’s been obvious since about March sadly. I never wanted him in the first place. He was never the right man for the job. Bruce was my choice.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 0:40:26 GMT
I mean it’s been obvious since about March sadly. I never wanted him in the first place. He was never the right man for the job. Bruce was my choice. I wanted him and still wouldn’t want someone like Bruce tbh. But last season showed you everything you needed to see he didn’t have a clue what he was doing.
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Post by pushon on Aug 25, 2019 0:41:13 GMT
He has had close to 30 games now and how many have we won? When Rowett starts to resemble a mastermind I think it's time to wake up! This isn't good enough and as I've said earlier tonight I think the players have lost their belief in him as well. He can't be given more than a couple of games now before turning it around, if not we have to start looking for the right man to keep us up. In fact I hope we already have someone in our sight as a possible replacement. I think when you've been watching football and Stoke for 50 years you can smell relegation, and this is quite a potent stench. The players he has brought in League One standard the coaching is League One/Two standard. The body language of the players reeks of relegation. All this talk of diamond we have been playing long ball all this season to players who cant hold the ball with no midfielders supporting them. Bloody hell!Now I'm sure we're down😭
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 25, 2019 0:42:45 GMT
I never wanted him in the first place. He was never the right man for the job. Bruce was my choice. I wanted him and still wouldn’t want someone like Bruce tbh. But last season showed you everything you needed to see he didn’t have a clue what he was doing. Yeah should have gone in May before he had chance to rebuild. Unfortunately the powers that be believed all the guff about not being his squad and it'll all be different with his own signings. As soon as he signed Cousins and Ward the game was up.
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Post by pushon on Aug 25, 2019 0:50:02 GMT
I never wanted him in the first place. He was never the right man for the job. Bruce was my choice. I wanted him and still wouldn’t want someone like Bruce tbh. But last season showed you everything you needed to see he didn’t have a clue what he was doing. Are you and Benjybuiscit an item😚....just thought I'd ask.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 0:50:50 GMT
I wanted him and still wouldn’t want someone like Bruce tbh. But last season showed you everything you needed to see he didn’t have a clue what he was doing. Are you and Benjybuiscit an item😚....just thought I'd ask. He’s a fan of Jones isn’t he?
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Post by pushon on Aug 25, 2019 0:53:25 GMT
Are you and Benjybuiscit an item😚....just thought I'd ask. He’s a fan of Jones isn’t he? Fan or Fanny?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 25, 2019 0:57:07 GMT
On ability are we a relegation team? We're certainly not a top 10 team but I certainly don't think we're a bottom 3 team either. For the people STILL backing Jones - On confidence and motivation we are probably 24th and confidence and motivation come from the management down. Unless something drastically changes i.e. the management, we'll go down. It's a matter of when not if he goes and like Hughes the longer they leave it the more damage will be done. The worst thing about the whole debacle for me has been the talk of promotion pre season when the powers that be knew damn well it was never even a realistic proposition. As I've said in another thread you dont make the signings we've made if promotion is the aim. They're cost saving signings which there is nothing wrong with if you're honest and say that. But to talk about promotion in order to sell season tickets and know damn well it's not the real aim is wrong. And who exactly do you suggest we replace him with? It’s not exactly a dream job.
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2019 1:08:02 GMT
Thread title in the past tense: Relegated. Already.
Blame the booze or blame the last two games. We're fucked.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 25, 2019 6:59:29 GMT
We're not good enough defensively to shut opposition teams out and hence nick games 1-0,and we're unequivocally not creating or lethal enough in front of goal to score the 3-4 necessary a game to outscore oir opponents given what we currently concede in most games.
I hoped for 10th-15th this season,relegation is eminently viable.
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