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Post by webby137 on Aug 24, 2019 20:31:28 GMT
I think the next 3 games are crucial, if we lose and other results go a certain way we are going to get left behind and I cant see us being good enough to then catch up. Worring times, I am correct in saying Norwich went to down to league 1 after relegation from the premier, then straight back up?, sometimes to rebuild it's best to go right back and start again from the ground up I really want us to get going and I do like jones, i wanted him to succeed but how can you say we are on the verge of clicking and being brilliant to having to make 6 changes??? Luton seem to be doing ok without him, so maybe it wasn't really him that was so great there? Unless scholes goes we are screwed. We didn't prepare for the championship, what makes you think we will be prepared for league one??? We should and can rebuild here easily, but it needs to start at the top. Carto going is great, but there needs to be deeper rooted change. The club is archaic, we don't deserve to be in the prem in the state we find every freaking department of the club in, the CEO, the Coates etc don't deserve it not one bit, so much needs to change, 'the process' needs to be Fuched off. I agree, the club is rotten to the core ATM, it's the management that is screwing us up, more interested in fucking gambling money, than football If by some chance we won the league would anyone here actually want us to spend a season in the premier with this team and manager situation?!? I just dont know what can be done unless something BIG changes, (Coates gone? etc) that is really going to make a big difference, and I think that's the problem nobody at stoke knows FA either
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 24, 2019 20:32:16 GMT
No way will we be relegated ..but a middle place is the best we can do with this team/manager/formation..not good enough anyway On what basis do you place this assumption? Every single bit of evidence does not back your assumption up
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 24, 2019 20:33:12 GMT
I think we're down already. I saw it coming 3 years ago as did many others. It will take a lot of character to turn this shit around! 3 years ago, when we were mid-table in the Premier League you saw us getting relegated twice in three seasons, all the way to League One? The writing was on the wall. What confirmed it was Arnie leaving. No other player left the club like he did since our promotion. We have a proven track record for not having any idea what to do in these situation. We are wank.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 20:33:29 GMT
It’s a bit pathetic you can’t even have a reasonable discusssion about this without people saying they’d rather be in League One. Firstly getting relegated would ruin us with the players we have on the contracts we have and secondly can anyone actually say hand on heart that TP wouldn’t stabilise us and give us something to build from? I wasn’t ever clamouring for him back but now it seems the only people qualified to do the job we need our manager to do now which is stop the rot and rebuild from the basics up are TP and Big Sam. It’s not a nice position to be in but it’s where we are. Another appointment based on a dream of where we think we want to be and not firmly based on the reality of our situation could destroy us. Please do not forget that only a few weeks ago Administration was deleting posts based on this scenario. There is a scary fear of Tony Pulis by a few people on this message board. Considering he's one of our greatest ever Managers it's very disrespectful. Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist.
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 24, 2019 20:36:07 GMT
Please do not forget that only a few weeks ago Administration was deleting posts based on this scenario. There is a scary fear of Tony Pulis by a few people on this message board. Considering he's one of our greatest ever Managers it's very disrespectful. Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist. We did so much better against Valencia than we did against Preston, Leeds, should I say 23 out of 26 of the games managed by Jones.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 24, 2019 20:36:51 GMT
I don’t want us to be relegated. If he comes back and keeps us up, then job done. I will have given up going to the games though.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 24, 2019 20:37:04 GMT
Ha Ha quite good that - but -your life would be saved and your starting point would be from a more advantageous level. But you could also say that every surgeon would have the same way of carrying out a certain operational procedure rather than some specialists having a completely different way of operating to others 😉 Same instruments, same staff, some surgeons have better life saving records than others, - take your pick, which one do you choose?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 24, 2019 20:37:24 GMT
I can't see jones winning a game. So the longer this goes on the more likely we are done for.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 24, 2019 20:38:32 GMT
I don’t want us to be relegated. If he comes back and keeps us up, then job done. I will have given up going to the games though. Surely not - your just tired and emotional perhaps?
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2019 20:40:29 GMT
Please do not forget that only a few weeks ago Administration was deleting posts based on this scenario. There is a scary fear of Tony Pulis by a few people on this message board. Considering he's one of our greatest ever Managers it's very disrespectful. Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist. If the choice was relegation or Pulis ... which would you take?
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Post by loosestools on Aug 24, 2019 20:40:32 GMT
I can't see jones winning a game. So the longer this goes on the more likely we are done for. I cant see him him winning a game either. Its terrifying. ACT NOW.
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Post by stokeox11 on Aug 24, 2019 20:42:49 GMT
This TP argument has been raging on so long. Maybe there is only one way to deal with the divide - Sir Stans statue - Rimmers v Haters. Winners take all. It's like Brexit the intelligent vs the emotional. Obviously the intelligent ones voted to leave!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 20:42:54 GMT
This TP argument has been raging on so long. Maybe there is only one way to deal with the divide - Sir Stans statue - Rimmers v Haters. Winners take all. We already won. He's gone, never to return 👍 I’m really not so sure. You have to be brave on this board to say it but speaking to people today people do seem to be changing their minds and people I never thought would. Whether the owners would is a different story. Peter would probably if he’s really had enough. I wouldn’t be too cocky if I were you until the next manager is appointed. Sweet dreams 😉
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 20:50:42 GMT
Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist. We did so much better against Valencia than we did against Preston, Leeds, should I say 23 out of 26 of the games managed by Jones. I'm not saying we didn't. We may have done even better had we taken a full squad.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 20:53:13 GMT
But you could also say that every surgeon would have the same way of carrying out a certain operational procedure rather than some specialists having a completely different way of operating to others 😉 Same instruments, same staff, some surgeons have better life saving records than others, - take your pick, which one do you choose? I could see TeePee performing a circumcision. Excruciatingly painful and you'd go weeks without being able to score.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 20:53:35 GMT
Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist. If the choice was relegation or Pulis ... which would you take? Already answered fella.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 24, 2019 20:55:52 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Aug 24, 2019 20:56:09 GMT
I don’t want us to be relegated. If he comes back and keeps us up, then job done. I will have given up going to the games though. Surely not - your just tired and emotional perhaps? No- I imagine that TP would eke out enough 0-0’s, or 1-0 victories to keep us up, but after the past two and a half year’s of soul destroying, mind numbing football having to sit through more of the same just to stay in the league is not for me. I want us to stay up, but for my £500 I would like some flair and entertainment; TP may well achieve safety, but I don’t expect flair or entertainment. As someone has said, you don’t have to watch it and so I won’t- it’s not a criticism of TP’s ability to avoid relegation, which will be the aim of whichever manager we have NJ, TP or someone like Chris Houghton.
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Post by steakandchips on Aug 24, 2019 20:59:03 GMT
We are going exactly the same way Sunderland did. This club is an absolute shambles & has been for 4 years. No skill, no coherence, no pride, no passion, no clue.....
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2019 21:00:38 GMT
If the choice was relegation or Pulis ... which would you take? Already answered fella. You seriously would prefer relegation to having TP back as our Manager?
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 24, 2019 21:02:43 GMT
One thing’s for sure, if we get sucked into a relegation battle, these spineless wasters won’t have the bottle to scrap a way out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:02:44 GMT
I keep thinking to myself there is no way we could go down but my god it’s a real threat. This squad is pathetic. Bottom of the league, worst goal difference and the way we keep folding is alarming. We’re now relying on a 18 year old kid to captain this shower of shit and regular internationals in the hope we can get going! It’s a real worry
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 21:07:14 GMT
You seriously would prefer relegation to having TP back as our Manager? Spot on.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2019 21:12:49 GMT
You seriously would prefer relegation to having TP back as our Manager? Spot on. Well...at least you are honest 😎
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Post by adi on Aug 24, 2019 21:16:56 GMT
Relegation is a certainty unless we send for Red Adair or Tony Pulis to sort it out. Predictable, sad and predictable. It’s a shame for you that a grown man has such an unerring obsession with someone who would never even remotely entertain your company. Jones has almost run out of time but your obsession with Pulis is at best weird, at worst worthy of a restraining order. Seek help.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 24, 2019 21:19:08 GMT
On ability are we a relegation team? We're certainly not a top 10 team but I certainly don't think we're a bottom 3 team either. For the people STILL backing Jones - On confidence and motivation we are probably 24th and confidence and motivation come from the management down. Unless something drastically changes i.e. the management, we'll go down. It's a matter of when not if he goes and like Hughes the longer they leave it the more damage will be done. The worst thing about the whole debacle for me has been the talk of promotion pre season when the powers that be knew damn well it was never even a realistic proposition. As I've said in another thread you dont make the signings we've made if promotion is the aim. They're cost saving signings which there is nothing wrong with if you're honest and say that. But to talk about promotion in order to sell season tickets and know damn well it's not the real aim is wrong. Without a doubt , this is a team getting worse with every signing
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 24, 2019 21:21:41 GMT
Oh well, relegation it'll have to be. A chance to rebuild rather than that capped cretin spreading discord throughout the support like a cancer. I didn’t notice much discord when he applauded us all at the end of the cup final and as one we all stood to acclaim him. The discord only exists in the minds of the tiny minority with their petty vendetta against him. It is they, not Hughes or Scholes or Rowett or Cartwright or Jones or Kitson or anyone else who is responsible for this crisis. He was one of our best ever managers , we all know his faults and that's how he is . I dont want him back but will just say that we are now worse than the day he walked in for the first time , the next level .
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 24, 2019 21:21:43 GMT
Please do not forget that only a few weeks ago Administration was deleting posts based on this scenario. There is a scary fear of Tony Pulis by a few people on this message board. Considering he's one of our greatest ever Managers it's very disrespectful. Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist. Valencia wasn't disrespectful we had a potential 6 pointer on the Saturday against Swansea (which we won). Some ppl might say it was good management when premiership survival was always the primary aim. And yes I went to Valencia. It was disappointing it wasn't disrespectful.
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 24, 2019 21:25:36 GMT
On ability are we a relegation team? We're certainly not a top 10 team but I certainly don't think we're a bottom 3 team either. For the people STILL backing Jones - On confidence and motivation we are probably 24th and confidence and motivation come from the management down. Unless something drastically changes i.e. the management, we'll go down. It's a matter of when not if he goes and like Hughes the longer they leave it the more damage will be done. The worst thing about the whole debacle for me has been the talk of promotion pre season when the powers that be knew damn well it was never even a realistic proposition. As I've said in another thread you dont make the signings we've made if promotion is the aim. They're cost saving signings which there is nothing wrong with if you're honest and say that. But to talk about promotion in order to sell season tickets and know damn well it's not the real aim is wrong. This is a relegation team. I’ve seen it too often supporting this club in 40 years since I was a small kid. Everything points to 1985, 1989 and 1997 all over again. I really like Nathan Jones as a person. He baffles me with his decisions though. There’s simply no fight in this group of players. They don’t seem interested and morale beaten. An experienced head is needed now to maximise the chances of stopping this slide but it looks too late for this group.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 24, 2019 21:26:50 GMT
Valencia away was disrespectful, as was the Binary Season which was done by design. Anyone wanting to put themselves through that again, from what is essentially supposed to be a hobby, a release from the grind of work, bills and assembling flatpacks, needs a psychiatrist. Valencia wasn't disrespectful we had a potential 6 pointer on the Saturday against Swansea (which we won). Some ppl might say it was good management when premiership survival was always the primary aim. And yes I went to Valencia. It was disappointing it wasn't disrespectful. What was disrespectful beyond redemption were the antics on the touchline on his return with WBA after a standing ovation .
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