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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 24, 2019 19:23:19 GMT
I'm just scratching my head here, Diamond with no LB or DM two of the three key positions and a very poor signing at RB?  Worried |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 24, 2019 19:25:10 GMT
I'm just scratching my head here, Diamond with no LB or DM two of the three key positions and a very poor signing at RB? Worried We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team |
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Post by supacoopa101 on Aug 24, 2019 19:28:14 GMT
I'm just scratching my head here, Diamond with no LB or DM two of the three key positions and a very poor signing at RB? Worried Shortfalls in the transfer market have come back to bite us in the ass. Funny that? To answer your question, not even the guys upstairs know what the plan is? But of course what is all the fuss about? |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 24, 2019 19:29:42 GMT
I'm just scratching my head here, Diamond with no LB or DM two of the three key positions and a very poor signing at RB? Worried We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team That looks, like a mediocre champ side. Sadly I'd take that. I do wonder to myself if we just threw misfits in Davies Bauer Indi Collins Wimmer Clucas Ndiaye Imbula Ince Diouf Vokes Would it be any worse? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 19:30:03 GMT
I'm just scratching my head here, Diamond with no LB or DM two of the three key positions and a very poor signing at RB? Worried We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team You aren’t “in” the cage. You ARE the cage. Bring back the cage! |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 24, 2019 22:03:41 GMT
We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team You aren’t “in” the cage. You ARE the cage. Bring back the cage! It would make me so happy to be able to identify a tactical setup... Any really. Right now I see the dropped pie formation |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 24, 2019 22:07:38 GMT
Nope and neither does NJ. It was back to the fucking sorting hat today.
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 24, 2019 22:07:43 GMT
We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team That looks, like a mediocre champ side. Sadly I'd take that. I do wonder to myself if we just threw misfits in Davies Bauer Indi Collins Wimmer Clucas Ndiaye Imbula Ince Diouf Vokes Would it be any worse? It really wouldn’t. Not sure how many bad games the current lot need to have. At least the bad games of the bomb squad were mainly against Prem opposition. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 24, 2019 22:10:53 GMT
Lull them into a false sense of security, then pounce.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:13:02 GMT
Lull them into a false sense of security, then pounce. Eh? What you been watching? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 24, 2019 22:16:40 GMT
Lull them into a false sense of security, then pounce. Eh? What you been watching? We're still in the lulling phase.  |
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Post by Goonie on Aug 24, 2019 22:16:51 GMT
I think Nath's main plan is to pray to sweet baby Jesus and pray for divine intervention
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:17:46 GMT
Eh? What you been watching? We're still in the lulling phase. Someone been sat in a beer garden all evening 👀 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:18:34 GMT
I did know what the plan was. It was to play a diamond. But then for reasons unknown we ended up with McClean and Cousins in arguably the two most important positions to execute it. And I’m still baffled by it I’ll be honest.
Was he let down by the recruitment team or did he truly believe they were the answers? If it’s the latter that worries me.....
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2019 22:19:22 GMT
At the moment it appears to be smoke crystal meth and then hope something happens.
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2019 22:20:26 GMT
We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team That looks, like a mediocre champ side. Sadly I'd take that. I do wonder to myself if we just threw misfits in Davies Bauer Indi Collins Wimmer Clucas Ndiaye Imbula Ince Diouf Vokes Would it be any worse? That's a much better team than the one that played today. I wonder if we don't do that, just play the better players and hope it works out. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2019 22:21:28 GMT
The way we are playing,I think our plan is to try and get promoted from Div.1 next season.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 24, 2019 22:23:37 GMT
I did know what the plan was. It was to play a diamond. But then for reasons unknown we ended up with McClean and Cousins in arguably the two most important positions to execute it. And I’m still baffled by it I’ll be honest. Was he let down by the recruitment team or did he truly believe they were the answers? If it’s the latter that worries me..... It’s worrying either way. |
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 22:51:29 GMT
Well, needless to say, whatever plan we had is now in tatters.
Perhaps its blind faith, but I do carry a vulernable flame of hope for the rest of the season.
And that is - NJ leaves quickly now, as the reality of his capabilities emerges more quickly than envisaged. And we get a manager who knows what they are doing - because amongst this squad, there is a combination of players that will mean we will be "okay"
I say "okay" guardedly. That's all it will be. But with a simpler 'bread and butter' system that accomodates our best players, players in their rightful positions, and a dose of discipline and tough love, we have 90% of the players to be fine. (The one we miss being a defensively minded tackling midfielder aka N'Diaye.
GK. Butland/Davies/Fed - All are decent keepers.
RB. Edwards - as good as any RB I saw in this league for patches last year. Clearly talented, works hard, offers a great cross, we shouldnt be worried
CB1. Shawcross/Batth - once back, he is dependable and organises well. Was a key part in one of the league's best defences last year. Batth - in a functional system is fine. His Wolves experience shows he's a perfectly decent CB.
CB2. Collins/CCV - Collins continues to grow. CCV was well regarded at Ipswich and Swansea. No reason to think he's a duff.
LB. Ward/McClean - Again, Ward has a solid track record at this level and above shows he is a competent defender, and that's all we need. Much as we don't like to admit it, McClean has proven he'd be fine as a deputy.
RM: Ince - the guy has been a leading champ player for about 3-4 seasons. He can score, has a shot, offers pace and guile. Just needs to be given a clear role and it needs to be on the right.
CM: Etebo - very good CMF.
CM: Woods - good passer. Player of the year at Brentford.
LM: Clucas/Duffy - Clucas was creative and productive from the left last year, as well as having a decent "engine". Excelled at Hull. Duffy was clearly loved at Sheff U. Between them, there is enough at this level.
CAM: Gregory - Decent at this level at Millwall. (Would allow him to drop back into MF and use his energy as first line of defence.)
CF: Hogan/Vokes - Hogan offers real pace and looked like he was getting his shotting boots on. Villa spell was poor but Sheff U fans thought him okay. And Vokes' record is v. good at this level if we have wide men. He needs some help to get his form back though and then the style of play to suit.
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Post by jebbstuart on Aug 24, 2019 23:46:34 GMT
Have another look at those players, think your being rather generous in your assessment.
Defence mostly one footed, slow, easily turned none are great readers of the game
Midfield slow one paced, struggle to cross the ball, drift in and out of games no playmaker don't hold the ball no invention agin most one footed have to cut inside each time
Forwards again slow, none of them work well together, no link up play, positioning very poor, dont anticipate, cant find or make space, dont score in fact struggle to shoot
would say on paper a very average team and out of the lot of them who has any major resale value on what we brought them for?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 25, 2019 0:07:11 GMT
The plan seems to be, persist with players that are playing poorly and either sub players that are playing well or drop them altogether . Hogan may only have 2 goals but that’s more than anyone else, so why was he dropped? He was starting to develop a relationship with Gregory. There was no reason to change the front two. The only change needed in midfield was to replace Allen with Etebo, not totally change the whole set up. And he only needed to replace Batth with Collins. McLean was doing OK and so was Edwards. The man is totally clueless - if we can see it, I’d be amazed if the players don’t see it as well
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2019 0:11:10 GMT
It needs a completely new plan plus the 'process' needs to be scrapped.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 7:33:15 GMT
I'ts more than likely: keep Jones and keep fingers crossed...
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 25, 2019 8:03:02 GMT
We're going to have to go to a flat back 4 with 2 in the cage and then try and get Ince, Powell, Duffy/Verlinden and Gregory in the team That looks, like a mediocre champ side. Sadly I'd take that. I do wonder to myself if we just threw misfits in Davies Bauer Indi Collins Wimmer Clucas Ndiaye Imbula Ince Diouf Vokes Would it be any worse? If N'Diaye, Imbula and Wimmer put in any effort at all it would be a lot better. If they decided to down tools for 90 minutes it couldn't be any worse. Nathan has stated many times that the plan was to build a team of young, athletic players who play on the front foot. He had a comprehensive, rigorous training program all worked out for the summer during which the squad would be drilled in the diamond formation allowing them to know their responsibilities in all situations. The diamond would provide progressive football and create many goal scoring opportunities. Nathan ditched the plan when he bought unathletic journey men to the club and forgot to replace the Premier League LB he thought wasn't good enough. He panicked and dreamed up a new plan involving a back 5 , but still with a diamond, and added a few new players at the last minute, who didn't get the expert summer training( this doesn't appear to be causing them any more problems than the others tough as none of them have a clue where to position themselves or who to pass the ball to). The plan stated a lean squad with 2 players for every position yet we have no LB no CDM and only one 10 who all knew was injury prone and unlikely to play often. What our club has done since January is an insult to the very notion of "plan". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 8:05:47 GMT
That looks, like a mediocre champ side. Sadly I'd take that. I do wonder to myself if we just threw misfits in Davies Bauer Indi Collins Wimmer Clucas Ndiaye Imbula Ince Diouf Vokes Would it be any worse? If N'Diaye, Imbula and Wimmer put in any effort st all it would be a lot better. If they decided to down tools for 90 minutes it couldn't be any worse. Nathan has stated many times that the plan was to build a team of young, athletic players who play on the front foot. He had a comprehensive, rigorous training program all worked out for the summer during which the squad would be drilled in the diamond formation allowing them to know their responsibilities in all situations. The diamond would provide progressive football and create many goal scoring opportunities. Nathan ditched the plan when he bought unathletic journey men to the club and forgot to replace the Premiet League LB he thought wasn't good enough. He panicked and dreamed up a new plan involving a back 6 , but still with a diamond, and added a few new players at the last minute, who didn't get the expert summer training( this doesn't appear to be causing them any more problems than the others tough as none of them have a clue where to position themselves or who to pass the ball to). The plan stated a lean squad with 2 players for every position yet we have no LB no CDM and only one 10 who all knew was injury prone and unlikely to play often. What our club has done since January is an insult to the very notion of "plan". He bought 11 players! Our club can be criticised for brining in a League One manager who doesn’t know he players in the Championship with no scouting history (Mick Hartford did recruitment by all accounts at Luton) and not realising his choices might be shit. The did back him just no-one had a clue what they were backing. |
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 25, 2019 10:01:41 GMT
To avoid relegation
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Post by wuzza on Aug 25, 2019 10:07:01 GMT
I don’t think there is a single position on the field where the manager can honestly say he knows his best player to fill it.
The current selection process is just chaotic and will be his downfall if it’s not rectified pronto.
It all stinks of panic right now.
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Post by werrington on Aug 25, 2019 10:08:25 GMT
I don’t think there is a single position on the field where the manager can honestly say he knows his best player to fill it. The current selection process is just chaotic and will be his downfall if it’s not rectified pronto. It all stinks of panic right now. It’s erratic to say the least It’s football tombola |
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 25, 2019 10:12:52 GMT
I don’t think there is a single position on the field where the manager can honestly say he knows his best player to fill it. The current selection process is just chaotic and will be his downfall if it’s not rectified pronto. It all stinks of panic right now. It’s erratic to say the least It’s football tombola Whilst the amount of games means a decent squad is crucial this two for one position is a cross to bear for Jones. He isn't sure which of the two to pick Although I'd argue we don't have two left backs. It's definitely panic stations. He simply has to decide who plays and stick with it. Edwards /Smith Vokes /Hogan Woods/Cousins Allen/Etebo I could harp on further. Pick your side and stick with it at least for 5 games |
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Post by werrington on Aug 25, 2019 10:19:01 GMT
It’s erratic to say the least It’s football tombola Whilst the amount of games means a decent squad is crucial this two for one position is a cross to bear for Jones. He isn't sure which of the two to pick Although I'd argue we don't have two left backs. It's definitely panic stations. He simply has to decide who plays and stick with it. Edwards /Smith Vokes /Hogan Woods/Cousins Allen/Etebo I could harp on further. Pick your side and stick with it at least for 5 games He’s culling every single match, 6 changes, 8 changes etc etc Players are in the team then bombed out of the squad altogether then back they come the week after.....he’s just hoping upon hope he hits on something It’s crazy |
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