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Post by Absolution on Aug 24, 2019 16:36:39 GMT
God's, I've said it before we need David Oldfield and super Dave Bamber to rescue us GD It's like some of you have forgotten Dave Rowson even existed.
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 24, 2019 16:38:45 GMT
God's, I've said it before we need David Oldfield and super Dave Bamber to rescue us GD It's like some of you have forgotten Dave Rowson even existed. He's a myth. Some say if you look in to a mirror and say his names 3 times......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:43:10 GMT
God's, I've said it before we need David Oldfield and super Dave Bamber to rescue us GD It's like some of you have forgotten Dave Rowson even existed. I can guarantee Parapsych hasn't GD
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Post by Absolution on Aug 24, 2019 16:48:24 GMT
It's like some of you have forgotten Dave Rowson even existed. He's a myth. Some say if you look in to a mirror and say his names 3 times...... Relegation happens?
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Post by hamsta2 on Aug 24, 2019 16:49:47 GMT
I’ll raise you a certain O’Neill Donaldson I fold! Shame as I was going to throw in Ian Allison next 😁
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:50:05 GMT
I’ll raise you a certain O’Neill Donaldson I fold! Looks Like Rhino has...
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 16:50:38 GMT
It's like being a stoke fan in the 1985 again. The current situation has uncanny parallels with Alan Ball’s Stoke in 1991. I have been saying this for months.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 24, 2019 17:33:54 GMT
When did we last field a weaker starting line up than that? A bizarre mix of lower league players and a few youngsters who may or may not make footballers. You'd have to go back to our league 3 days wouldn't you? We have some of the richest owners in the game and we ended up fielding a pub side. It's quite bizarre, I wish someone could explain it to my satisfaction? We had a better team in our league 3 days , shtaniuk , hoeksta , and young lad called Gallagher, who ran the game at Preston , at least I think he was in that team .
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Post by Veritas on Aug 24, 2019 17:56:56 GMT
The fundamental issue is when did have a squad with fewer leaders in it, a goal goes in, heads go down no player on the pitch demand a response from his colleagues. Where are the Whelans,Walters or Huths?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 24, 2019 18:21:29 GMT
I'm 35 but old enough to remember both our third tier stints, particularly the second one. This season is reminding me of 97/98 very strongly. I said at the game today that I can feel a Birmingham 7-0 coming if we persist with Jones any longer. He's so far out of his depth it's untrue and our dressing room is full of the same toxic mix of gutless wankers and just plain shit players that we had in 97/98.
There is not one single player in this squad that I would be bothered about losing. Not one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 20:14:39 GMT
You need to have seen the clips on the big screen before kick off of our games v Dirty Leeds. Greenhoff, Ritchie, Pejic, Hudosn etc. smashing them with some fantastic goals. Unlike the twatting pile of dog shyte my poor 6 y.o. Grandson and I witnessed today. Stoke City FC your team is a fucking embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 20:50:34 GMT
The fundamental issue is when did have a squad with fewer leaders in it, a goal goes in, heads go down no player on the pitch demand a response from his colleagues. Where are the Whelans,Walters or Huths? Exactly this. Even if Shawcross was fit I don’t consider him a leader. Once that first goal went in we fell apart. Nobody was trying to pick the team up and fire them on. We don’t have anyone who leads. He may have been well past his best but just look at what Gerry Taggart did for the team. Constantly shouting and barking orders and he turned us around. There just nobody to do it in this squad.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 24, 2019 20:57:27 GMT
The fundamental issue is when did have a squad with fewer leaders in it, a goal goes in, heads go down no player on the pitch demand a response from his colleagues. Where are the Whelans,Walters or Huths? Exactly this. Even if Shawcross was fit I don’t consider him a leader. Once that first goal went in we fell apart. Nobody was trying to pick the team up and fire them on. We don’t have anyone who leads. He may have been well past his best but just look at what Gerry Taggart did for the team. Constantly shouting and barking orders and he turned us around. There just nobody to do it in this squad. I was saying this to my dad whilst watching the Preston match - Gerry really grabbed the whole team by the scruff of the neck, how we need a Gerry now! Our heads have dropped after conceding for a couple of years now, and both the players and the fans know there’s little chance of coming back, whereas we used to be a very ‘never say die’ team after conceding. Thing is, I read that signing after signing of our new boys were regarded as ‘leaders’ - not much sign of leadership in any of them!
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Post by stantheman on Aug 24, 2019 21:00:36 GMT
The current situation has uncanny parallels with Alan Ball’s Stoke in 1991. I have been saying this for months. I've seen us play in 3 different divisions, but can't remember anything this bleak.
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Post by euan ouzami on Aug 24, 2019 21:13:45 GMT
The current situation has uncanny parallels with Alan Ball’s Stoke in 1991. I have been saying this for months. I was thinking that today. I remember driving down to Oxford and back in the fog to watch us lose abjectly 3-0. (Next result.. 6-0 loss to Swindon.) I now live in Swindon so similarly shit drive to watch today’s horror show. Nevertheless it’s watching this kind of shit that makes you appreciate the better days.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 24, 2019 21:14:48 GMT
When did we last field a weaker starting line up than that? A bizarre mix of lower league players, a few youngsters who may or may not make footballers and a random African bloke. You'd have to go back to our league 3 days wouldn't you? Last Wedn We have some of the richest owners in the game and we ended up fielding a pub side. It's quite bizarre, I wish someone could explain it to my satisfaction? Last Wednesday, at least Leeds were good and we held them for 40 mins , shite but a big improvement on Wednesday, that's how bad we are .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:15:29 GMT
I have been saying this for months. I've seen us play in 3 different divisions, but can't remember anything this bleak. Alan Ball took the remnants of Mick Mills squad, a squad that never mounted a serious challenge but could on occasions actually play some tidy stuff, and managed to turn them into an ugly bunch of animals that couldn’t string three passes together. The last two performances have seen us do nothing constructive with the ball and we can’t even get ugly and in people’s faces. We are a faceless entity at the minute. We have nothing about us whatsoever. At least with Ball we were aggressive if nothing else.
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Post by mcw on Aug 24, 2019 21:21:20 GMT
I've seen us play in 3 different divisions, but can't remember anything this bleak. Alan Ball took the remnants of Mick Mills squad, a squad that never mounted a serious challenge but could on occasions actually play some tidy stuff, and managed to turn them into an ugly bunch of animals that couldn’t string three passes together. The last two performances have seen us do nothing constructive with the ball and we can’t even get ugly and in people’s faces. We are a faceless entity at the minute. We have nothing about us whatsoever. At least with Ball we were aggressive if nothing else. Yep, today was his attempt to button down the hatches and eek out a good old fashioned 0-0 or sneak a 1-0 win. We are so passive and weak in general that that was never a likely outcome. The sad truth is that we are now a team that is a complete soft touch. I don’t know where our next point is coming from. Physiologically this team in whatever variation of diamond, rhomboid or whatever is beaten as soon as they step on the pitch. They are spineless
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 21:35:34 GMT
When did we last field a weaker starting line up than that? A bizarre mix of lower league players and a few youngsters who may or may not make footballers. You'd have to go back to our league 3 days wouldn't you? We have some of the richest owners in the game and we ended up fielding a pub side. It's quite bizarre, I wish someone could explain it to my satisfaction? Even the holocaust season team wasn't this bad. I'm sorry to say it but if we don't get rid of Jones NOW, this team will eclipse the holocaust team's "performance" by the end of the season. What's the record low for points in the second tier? I'm up for us doing worse than that if we don't get rid now. 4 wins in 31 isn't far off Holocaust levels
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 21:47:45 GMT
Even the holocaust season team wasn't this bad. I'm sorry to say it but if we don't get rid of Jones NOW, this team will eclipse the holocaust team's "performance" by the end of the season. What's the record low for points in the second tier? I'm up for us doing worse than that if we don't get rid now. 4 wins in 31 isn't far off Holocaust levels I guess we will have played 42 games back then, so 3 wins in 42 is the holocaust 'rate'. Having lived through that - and only my second season as a Stoke fan too - this season, so far, has a very similar feel to it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 24, 2019 21:51:07 GMT
I really think we have a very good squad and very good players at this level too, but unfortunately we haven't got a good team. We're not so bad between the boxes, but in both the boxes we are terrible.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2019 21:53:38 GMT
4 wins in 31 isn't far off Holocaust levels I guess we will have played 42 games back then, so 3 wins in 42 is the holocaust 'rate'. Having lived through that - and only my second season as a Stoke fan too - this season, so far, has a very similar feel to it. And it's against second and third tier opposition.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 24, 2019 21:54:00 GMT
When did we last field a weaker starting line up than that? A bizarre mix of lower league players, a few youngsters who may or may not make footballers and a random African bloke. You'd have to go back to our league 3 days wouldn't you? We have some of the richest owners in the game and we ended up fielding a pub side. It's quite bizarre, I wish someone could explain it to my satisfaction? You ageist cnut
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2019 21:58:03 GMT
Even the holocaust season team wasn't this bad. I'm sorry to say it but if we don't get rid of Jones NOW, this team will eclipse the holocaust team's "performance" by the end of the season. What's the record low for points in the second tier? I'm up for us doing worse than that if we don't get rid now. 4 wins in 31 isn't far off Holocaust levels And the holocaust season was in the top flight, we beat Arsenal and Manchester United that season. We're twatting about in in the 2nd division now, pound for pound this is far worse.
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2019 22:00:28 GMT
When did we last field a weaker starting line up than that? A bizarre mix of lower league players, a few youngsters who may or may not make footballers and a random African bloke. You'd have to go back to our league 3 days wouldn't you? We have some of the richest owners in the game and we ended up fielding a pub side. It's quite bizarre, I wish someone could explain it to my satisfaction? You ageist cnut I didn't mean you don't get any sense out of anyone under about 40, only that you'd have to be at least that old to have witnessed such a jim crack assortment of football players!
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Post by felonious on Aug 24, 2019 22:28:06 GMT
The fundamental issue is when did have a squad with fewer leaders in it, a goal goes in, heads go down no player on the pitch demand a response from his colleagues. Where are the Whelans,Walters or Huths? I think they were replaced by upgrades.
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Post by felonious on Aug 24, 2019 22:30:52 GMT
You need to have seen the clips on the big screen before kick off of our games v Dirty Leeds. Greenhoff, Ritchie, Pejic, Hudosn etc. smashing them with some fantastic goals. Unlike the twatting pile of dog shyte my poor 6 y.o. Grandson and I witnessed today. Stoke City FC your team is a fucking embarrassment. Did you also notice on the big screen that they were advertising for 0 to 1 year olds. The pack comes with a designated Childline advisor
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Post by felonious on Aug 24, 2019 22:34:43 GMT
I didn't mean you don't get any sense out of anyone under about 40, only that you'd have to be at least that old to have witnessed such a jim crack assortment of football players! Two birds with one stone eh Gods?
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 22:37:50 GMT
For those not old enough to have lived through it meaningfully, or for those who just like nostalgia, this article tells the story of that horrible season very nicely: liquidfootball.net/2017/08/19/stoke-city-the-holocaust-season/The big difference of course is that back then the squad was poor because we were skint. The excuse this time cannot be that. Note that my avatar has long contained a 'pinstripe' top that featured in the holocaust season (and the one before).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:56:28 GMT
For those not old enough to have lived through it meaningfully, or for those who just like nostalgia, this article tells the story of that horrible season very nicely: liquidfootball.net/2017/08/19/stoke-city-the-holocaust-season/The big difference of course is that back then the squad was poor because we were skint. The excuse this time cannot be that. Note that my avatar has long contained a 'pinstripe' top that featured in the holocaust season (and the one before). 84/85 stats
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