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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 10, 2021 11:06:38 GMT
If Verlinden can't get a game instead of Brown there can't be much hope for him at Stoke! Is it possible to sign any others from the English track and field team by the way?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 10, 2021 11:07:00 GMT
Ah Vokes’ attitude when he’s waddling around doing fuck all is marvellous. Utter nonsense. How is him being shit down to his attitude? On what possible evidence are you claiming Verlinden is shit? He's played a handful of times for Stoke, on two occasions was the best player on the park and was a huge fan favorite in one of the most damaged clubs in British history at Bolton. Let's not make stuff up. Verlinden is clearly a good player who would offer infinitely more than the total wank that we currently have in wide areas. I feel like we are heading back to debates from Pulis days... The pro Pulisball mob trying to hopelessly justify the inclusion of useless donkeys over talented, skilful players citing "oh he must be shit in training, I trust the manager" as the only explanation. Edit: sorry! My bad, you are talking about Vokes! He's both shit and a shit attitude. One of the worst performers I've ever seen in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 10, 2021 12:27:53 GMT
one thing Verlinden has that unfortunately our other forwards don't have is skill, and the desire to get past his man.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 10, 2021 12:33:28 GMT
one thing Verlinden has that unfortunately our other forwards don't have is skill, and the desire to get past his man. And can use both feet.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 10, 2021 12:33:41 GMT
one thing Verlinden has that unfortunately our other forwards don't have is skill, and the desire to get past his man. He certainly can't be any worse than Sir-Runs-a-Lot!
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Post by karl on Jan 10, 2021 12:47:27 GMT
Maybe we didn't play him yesterday as a move might be on and don't want him cup tied?
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Jan 10, 2021 12:51:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 12:51:58 GMT
I don't think we have any choice, as it stands , right now , other than to give the ( more talented) verlinden and the ( more athletic) brown , their chance.
It's possible neither may make it , and it would be great if better options could be bought in , but the cupboard is bare .
Vokes and ince aren't going to get us promoted .
If brown and verlinden can't get a game and kick on between now and the end of the season , the squad is not good enough to go up
I am about 80 per cent sure brown hasn't got it in him
About 50/50 on verlinden
But can't see MoN , having any options , other than to play them , talk them up , and hope for the best
Hopefully , we will sign a couple of good young players some time soon , and things will change?
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 10, 2021 12:53:05 GMT
Maybe we didn't play him yesterday as a move might be on and don't want him cup tied? Don't be daft - he's that shit (in MON eyes) that the only team that would take him in England would be well below us - and therefore probably already out of the cup. It's. plain to see that MON doesn't rate him. I disagree with that decision but accept it because he is the manager and knows better. What really pisses me off is his continued selection as a substitute with absolutely no intention of playing him. If he doesn't rate him he doesn't rate him so don't waste a place on the bench. Yesterday was a perfect example - if he'd popped one of the youngsters on the bench (eg Porter), when we were 2-0 down and out why not give a new youngster 20 or 30 minutes invaluable experience.
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Post by femark on Jan 10, 2021 13:43:34 GMT
Maybe we didn't play him yesterday as a move might be on and don't want him cup tied? Is he really going to move to a side looking to progress in the fa cup?
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 10, 2021 13:54:47 GMT
Maybe we didn't play him yesterday as a move might be on and don't want him cup tied? Don't be daft - he's that shit (in MON eyes) that the only team that would take him in England would be well below us - and therefore probably already out of the cup. It's. plain to see that MON doesn't rate him. I disagree with that decision but accept it because he is the manager and knows better. What really pisses me off is his continued selection as a substitute with absolutely no intention of playing him. If he doesn't rate him he doesn't rate him so don't waste a place on the bench. Yesterday was a perfect example - if he'd popped one of the youngsters on the bench (eg Porter), when we were 2-0 down and out why not give a new youngster 20 or 30 minutes invaluable experience. This.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 10, 2021 17:32:08 GMT
I'm fine with that but until we do Clucas as a left back would be my prefered choice until Fox comes back. Clucas was terrible at left back yesterday. All over the place and we conceded two goals. We did, who wasn't at the end it was a mess, I think he'd be fine though against lesser oppo, if nothing else it may give us a chance further up the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 23:31:41 GMT
Maybe we didn't play him yesterday as a move might be on and don't want him cup tied? So why was he on the bench?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 23:38:39 GMT
Maybe we didn't play him yesterday as a move might be on and don't want him cup tied? Don't be daft - he's that shit (in MON eyes) that the only team that would take him in England would be well below us - and therefore probably already out of the cup. It's. plain to see that MON doesn't rate him. I disagree with that decision but accept it because he is the manager and knows better. What really pisses me off is his continued selection as a substitute with absolutely no intention of playing him. If he doesn't rate him he doesn't rate him so don't waste a place on the bench. Yesterday was a perfect example - if he'd popped one of the youngsters on the bench (eg Porter), when we were 2-0 down and out why not give a new youngster 20 or 30 minutes invaluable experience. It's not plain at all. A year ago before TV's injury MON was singing his praises. He did rate him. And while he's been inconsistent - as all wingers are, as MON knows too well having been one himself - in his academy games he's the same player. Verlinden is not playing not for football reasons. It's personal. Not a good trait in a manager.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2021 18:29:05 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 13, 2021 18:37:38 GMT
Might be an interesting 24/48 hours?. A surprise in store maybe?.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 13, 2021 18:40:09 GMT
Don't be daft - he's that shit (in MON eyes) that the only team that would take him in England would be well below us - and therefore probably already out of the cup. It's. plain to see that MON doesn't rate him. I disagree with that decision but accept it because he is the manager and knows better. What really pisses me off is his continued selection as a substitute with absolutely no intention of playing him. If he doesn't rate him he doesn't rate him so don't waste a place on the bench. Yesterday was a perfect example - if he'd popped one of the youngsters on the bench (eg Porter), when we were 2-0 down and out why not give a new youngster 20 or 30 minutes invaluable experience. It's not plain at all. A year ago before TV's injury MON was singing his praises. He did rate him. And while he's been inconsistent - as all wingers are, as MON knows too well having been one himself - in his academy games he's the same player. Verlinden is not playing not for football reasons. It's personal. Not a good trait in a manager. I just wonder on what basis are you making the assumption that any issue between player and club/ and or manager is entirely the responsibility of the manager? and how can you be certain it is non-football? If there is something happening in training that we are not privy to as supporters, is that not Football-related?
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Post by wherty on Jan 13, 2021 18:48:25 GMT
Don't be daft - he's that shit (in MON eyes) that the only team that would take him in England would be well below us - and therefore probably already out of the cup. It's. plain to see that MON doesn't rate him. I disagree with that decision but accept it because he is the manager and knows better. What really pisses me off is his continued selection as a substitute with absolutely no intention of playing him. If he doesn't rate him he doesn't rate him so don't waste a place on the bench. Yesterday was a perfect example - if he'd popped one of the youngsters on the bench (eg Porter), when we were 2-0 down and out why not give a new youngster 20 or 30 minutes invaluable experience. It's not plain at all. A year ago before TV's injury MON was singing his praises. He did rate him. And while he's been inconsistent - as all wingers are, as MON knows too well having been one himself -Â in his academy games he's the same player. Verlinden is not playing not for football reasons. It's personal. Not a good trait in a manager. Miles off the mark.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 14, 2021 10:38:58 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 14, 2021 10:39:52 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it? Oh no, you’re going to set him off again👀
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Post by nott1 on Jan 14, 2021 10:42:11 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it? Oh no, you’re going to set him off again👀
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Post by biglad180 on Jan 14, 2021 11:41:49 GMT
sorry lads i am with bayern on this one i don,t think Verlindon as had a fair go at it, not a lot of us rated Soutter in the beginning, the lads been with us a fair few years now, give him a go, if he proves out to be not good enough then get him off the wage bill, but at least give him a go at it,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 12:59:52 GMT
sorry lads i am with bayern on this one i don,t think Verlindon as had a fair go at it, not a lot of us rated Soutter in the beginning, the lads been with us a fair few years now, give him a go, if he proves out to be not good enough then get him off the wage bill, but at least give him a go at it, I agree if the only problem is he looks shit, if the issue is that he isn't training well then can't be giving him a go. MON has had issues with the way young players have trained previously and I kind of assume he was alluding to Edwards and Thibaud because they're the only two that seem frozen out of the setup...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 13:05:19 GMT
sorry lads i am with bayern on this one i don,t think Verlindon as had a fair go at it, not a lot of us rated Soutter in the beginning, the lads been with us a fair few years now, give him a go, if he proves out to be not good enough then get him off the wage bill, but at least give him a go at it, I agree if the only problem is he looks shit, if the issue is that he isn't training well then can't be giving him a go. MON has had issues with the way young players have trained previously and I kind of assume he was alluding to Edwards and Thibaud because they're the only two that seem frozen out of the setup... Agreed. Training ethic is everything for many managers How does a young player expect to get better if he doesn’t train? Plus, allowing a young player into the team who doesn’t train hard allows for complacency. It’s one thing that Pulis allowed Fuller to be bone idle in training as he was our star player. It’s very different for a player whose not done anything. Though we have no idea if this is the case or not. Maybe if we go back to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 he will be on the bench. With the signing of Clarke now, I hope that we send him out on loan and he gets a decent half season elsewhere. If he succeeds, we bring him in properly next year.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 14, 2021 13:10:58 GMT
I thought prior to the injury he was doing well.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 14, 2021 13:12:51 GMT
Okay, so MO'N's reason for not playing Verlinden is "he's not trained well".... Some players don't, but do turn it on on match days!!!
Brown and Vokes have had enough minutes on the pitch this season (even pre-injuries), and even if they're world beaters in training.... They certainly aren't bringing to the pitch on match day!!!
Now with the arrivals of Matondo and Clarke, Verlinden must be wondering what he has to do to be given a chance!!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2021 13:13:29 GMT
I agree if the only problem is he looks shit, if the issue is that he isn't training well then can't be giving him a go. MON has had issues with the way young players have trained previously and I kind of assume he was alluding to Edwards and Thibaud because they're the only two that seem frozen out of the setup... Agreed. Training ethic is everything for many managers How does a young player expect to get better if he doesn’t train? Plus, allowing a young player into the team who doesn’t train hard allows for complacency. It’s one thing that Pulis allowed Fuller to be bone idle in training as he was our star player. It’s very different for a player whose not done anything. Though we have no idea if this is the case or not. Maybe if we go back to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 he will be on the bench. With the signing of Clarke now, I hope that we send him out on loan and he gets a decent half season elsewhere. If he succeeds, we bring him in properly next year. Fuller was not bone idle in training. He just wasn't very punctual
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 14, 2021 13:19:04 GMT
Clearly there's a reason he's not playing him, I agree he is no wing back, so maybe the acid test will be if we revert to 4 3 3 system. Let's see where he is at then..There are going to be quite a few not making the match day squad after these recent signings.
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Post by themistocles on Jan 14, 2021 13:24:11 GMT
Would be idiotic to let him leave especially when you look at the deadwood shite that are still here
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Post by jeycov on Jan 14, 2021 13:28:58 GMT
Maybe another loan would suit both parties
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Post by bringitondown on Jan 14, 2021 13:29:22 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it? Has Verlinden ever had a really bad game for us? I thought he was doing well before he got injured and was exciting to watch. Now we have a left back and few options on the wing I hope he finds himself in the rotation.
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