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Post by pottersrule on Jan 9, 2021 17:08:51 GMT
Not if he has a stinking attitude it isn't! Ah Vokes’ attitude when he’s waddling around doing fuck all is marvellous. Utter nonsense. How is him being shit down to his attitude?
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Post by Cns on Jan 9, 2021 17:09:10 GMT
Terrible management
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Post by andystokey on Jan 9, 2021 17:09:14 GMT
Why even have him on the bench then if his attitude stinks? Make a point! That would really undermine his management credentials. I don't buy that, as manager he picks the strongest squad available to him. There's no place for that and no benefit, you put players there on merit.
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Post by bolders on Jan 9, 2021 17:09:47 GMT
it's starting to get a bit rowett/bojan. unfortunately o'neill undermines himself with the continued selection of vokes And what else can he do when Vokes is our only recognised striker who isnt injured?
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Jan 9, 2021 17:11:07 GMT
His attitude was fine at Bolton. Perhaps it's one of those vicious cycle type situations. He wasn't getting played so his head /effort dropped and then that reaffirms him not being selected to the point where it seems a foregone conclusion that he will have to move on.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jan 9, 2021 17:11:35 GMT
It's blatantly obvious he has no future here under this manager and I hope the manager is here for a long time to come.
Probably for the best folk accept it and move on.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 9, 2021 17:32:08 GMT
That would really undermine his management credentials. I don't buy that, as manager he picks the strongest squad available to him. There's no place for that and no benefit, you put players there on merit. You asked the question.The fact that you don't buy it is of no consequence.Why do you think such a talented player isn't being selected?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 9, 2021 17:33:12 GMT
it's starting to get a bit rowett/bojan. unfortunately o'neill undermines himself with the continued selection of vokes And what else can he do when Vokes is our only recognised striker who isnt injured? Set up the team to smash in cross after cross to him, not this game but in the league its possible and a much better plan than we have at the min.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 9, 2021 17:33:59 GMT
That would really undermine his management credentials. I don't buy that, as manager he picks the strongest squad available to him. There's no place for that and no benefit, you put players there on merit. You asked the question.The fact that you don't buy it is of no consequence.Why do you think such a talented player isn't being selected? Because the manager doesn't think his attitude or application are up to it, or doesn't think he's as talented as you do I would suspect......
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Post by andystokey on Jan 9, 2021 17:34:07 GMT
That would really undermine his management credentials. I don't buy that, as manager he picks the strongest squad available to him. There's no place for that and no benefit, you put players there on merit. You asked the question.The fact that you don't buy it is of no consequence.Why do you think such a talented player isn't being selected? Fear.
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Post by bolders on Jan 9, 2021 17:34:46 GMT
And what else can he do when Vokes is our only recognised striker who isnt injured? Set up the team to smash in cross after cross to him, not this game but in the league its possible and a much better plan than we have at the min. We are fooked at the moment though with not having a Lb then we could do that
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 9, 2021 17:40:15 GMT
You asked the question.The fact that you don't buy it is of no consequence.Why do you think such a talented player isn't being selected? Because the manager doesn't think his attitude or application are up to it, or doesn't think he's as talented as you do I would suspect...... So why the hell repeatedly waste a place on the bench
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 9, 2021 17:40:49 GMT
Set up the team to smash in cross after cross to him, not this game but in the league its possible and a much better plan than we have at the min. We are fooked at the moment though with not having a Lb then we could do that Clucas has played there before and wasn't all that bad, its needs must, not ideal but it doesn't destroy any chance of scoring a goal like the current set up does, Vokes isn't great but we haven't played to his strengths if we did he might at least become average.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 9, 2021 17:41:45 GMT
You asked the question.The fact that you don't buy it is of no consequence.Why do you think such a talented player isn't being selected? Fear. Fear of what?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 9, 2021 17:42:15 GMT
Because the manager doesn't think his attitude or application are up to it, or doesn't think he's as talented as you do I would suspect...... So why the hell repeatedly waste a place on the bench To fill the available spaces.
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Post by bolders on Jan 9, 2021 17:44:34 GMT
We are fooked at the moment though with not having a Lb then we could do that Clucas has played there before and wasn't all that bad, its needs must, not ideal but it doesn't destroy any chance of scoring a goal like the current set up does, Vokes isn't great but we haven't played to his strengths if we did he might at least become average. Rather we go out there and get a new one either pay some money and get someone like Pickering or look for a cheap/free back-up for the last few months
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 9, 2021 17:46:48 GMT
Clucas has played there before and wasn't all that bad, its needs must, not ideal but it doesn't destroy any chance of scoring a goal like the current set up does, Vokes isn't great but we haven't played to his strengths if we did he might at least become average. Rather we go out there and get a new one either pay some money and get someone like Pickering or look for a cheap/free back-up for the last few months I'm fine with that but until we do Clucas as a left back would be my prefered choice until Fox comes back.
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Post by loosestools on Jan 9, 2021 17:48:30 GMT
What is the point of having a Manager the quality of MON and criticizing him for not playing Verlinden? He must have very valid reasons, otherwise sack the Manager.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 9, 2021 17:50:10 GMT
You asked the question.The fact that you don't buy it is of no consequence.Why do you think such a talented player isn't being selected? Because the manager doesn't think his attitude or application are up to it, or doesn't think he's as talented as you do I would suspect...... The talented player question was rhetorical,I haven't seen enough of him recently to comment on his ability as others do.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 9, 2021 17:51:19 GMT
He wants his wingers to defend even if it means they become ineffective going forward. We seemingly don't trust 3 defenders and two holding midfielders to contain the opposition. Whilst that fear continues we will be lucky to win any games with this makeshift forward line. We can't draw our way into the playoffs can we? I admit having no LB has made this worse but he'd rather have McLean breaking up play than creating anything. Unless we get a FB in soon Motando will have the exact same problem. Perversely he thought he was worth a run today after being in the building less than 48 hours. Thibault must find that very odd indeed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 1:04:06 GMT
Ah Vokes’ attitude when he’s waddling around doing fuck all is marvellous. Utter nonsense. How is him being shit down to his attitude? So it’s ok to slate the young lad for it based on fuck all but not the senior pro who doesn’t give a fuck based on years worth of performances. Standard
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 1:05:51 GMT
What is the point of having a Manager the quality of MON and criticizing him for not playing Verlinden? He must have very valid reasons, otherwise sack the Manager. Because we’ve had a couple of months of excruciatingly boring football all whilst not giving a dynamic attacker a go? Seems absolutely fair to me and something every manager in the last 10 years would have been challenged with!
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 10, 2021 1:13:54 GMT
How is him being shit down to his attitude? So it’s ok to slate the young lad for it based on fuck all but not the senior pro who doesn’t give a fuck based on years worth of performances. Standard Add in the fact that I’ve heard from various people now that Vokes doesn’t give a fuck. He’s happy drawing his over inflated wage and couldn’t give a shit whether he plays or not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 1:16:17 GMT
So it’s ok to slate the young lad for it based on fuck all but not the senior pro who doesn’t give a fuck based on years worth of performances. Standard Add in the fact that I’ve heard from various people now that Vokes doesn’t give a fuck. He’s happy drawing his over inflated wage and couldn’t give a shit whether he plays or not. You just have to look at how he plays. There’s nothing there, he does not give a shit, he doesn’t try, he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t run. I could live with that if he was scoring goals but he’s not. Yet people are more inclined Verlinden is a crack addict 😂
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Post by a on Jan 10, 2021 1:33:04 GMT
Add in the fact that I’ve heard from various people now that Vokes doesn’t give a fuck. He’s happy drawing his over inflated wage and couldn’t give a shit whether he plays or not. You just have to look at how he plays. There’s nothing there, he does not give a shit, he doesn’t try, he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t run. I could live with that if he was scoring goals but he’s not. Yet people are more inclined Verlinden is a crack addict 😂 If you can show that then fine but if you can’t then maybe deactivate your account. I can’t stand Vokes playing but who the hell has said what you have said????
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 10, 2021 7:20:32 GMT
How is him being shit down to his attitude? So it’s ok to slate the young lad for it based on fuck all but not the senior pro who doesn’t give a fuck based on years worth of performances. Standard You didn't answer the question.How is him being shit down to his attitude? Also where have I slated the young lad? You haven't got a clue why Verlinden isn't being selected but it would be sensible to assume it's for non football reasons if he is so much better than what we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 7:27:49 GMT
It's blatantly obvious he has no future here under this manager and I hope the manager is here for a long time to come. Probably for the best folk accept it and move on. You must really hate football
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 7:38:08 GMT
So it’s ok to slate the young lad for it based on fuck all but not the senior pro who doesn’t give a fuck based on years worth of performances. Standard Add in the fact that I’ve heard from various people now that Vokes doesn’t give a fuck. He’s happy drawing his over inflated wage and couldn’t give a shit whether he plays or not. Blah blah blah other people. Judge his character on what you see on the pitch. Clearly he was angry with himself for missing his chance, and clearly he was happy for GT when he scored his fluke goal vs. Forest. He does a lot of running that people perhaps don't see but which team mates and managers appreciate. He's just not a good player anymore, but that's what happens with some players, especially if they're not regulars. He tries the best he can; it's just not good He's paid a wage the club thought he was good for. There's nothing over inflated about that though there will always be some who envy players' wages.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 10, 2021 10:56:56 GMT
Add in the fact that I’ve heard from various people now that Vokes doesn’t give a fuck. He’s happy drawing his over inflated wage and couldn’t give a shit whether he plays or not. Blah blah blah other people. Judge his character on what you see on the pitch. Clearly he was angry with himself for missing his chance, and clearly he was happy for GT when he scored his fluke goal vs. Forest. He does a lot of running that people perhaps don't see but which team mates and managers appreciate. He's just not a good player anymore, but that's what happens with some players, especially if they're not regulars. He tries the best he can; it's just not good He's paid a wage the club thought he was good for. There's nothing over inflated about that though there will always be some who envy players' wages. His wage is over inflated as I know for a fact Burnley knew he was a busted flush when they sold him, to the point that they couldn’t believe we were willing to pay £9m for him. His legs had gone and Burnley damn well knew it. (I’m not one do these who says footballers get paid too much, you’ve misunderstood what I meant by over inflated)
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 10, 2021 11:01:30 GMT
Rather we go out there and get a new one either pay some money and get someone like Pickering or look for a cheap/free back-up for the last few months I'm fine with that but until we do Clucas as a left back would be my prefered choice until Fox comes back. Clucas was terrible at left back yesterday. All over the place and we conceded two goals.
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