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Post by serpico on Aug 23, 2019 12:31:49 GMT
Can’t really blame him for not putting youngsters in the team at this present time.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 23, 2019 12:32:49 GMT
The Verlinden we saw against Reading last season is exactly what we need to see going forward.How he’d get him in the team is up to Jones but for me a possible loan is not what I want to see.I always remember Kris Conmons being introduced by Quitterall and that’s what should be happening with Verlinden imo If he's willing to regularly go in with a non-diamond formation, a whole new world of possibilities opens up with Ince and Verlinden. But until we see any evidence he is, and that wingers aren't just some late throw of the dice option in certain games, it certainly looks like we've got a logjam of 4 players going for one starting role. And can't imagine any of them are going to be remotely happy about that as the season progresses (if it progresses beyond September with NJ in charge that is!) The way it’s going FM the diamond surely has to be ditched given how open we’ve been all season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:35:21 GMT
This is what he said... without giving too much away this is exactly what is happening if god wills it: NJ: Without giving too much away, we think Jarvis, Dunwoody, Sorensen need a league club to get experience and exposure to what it takes. Verlinden is right in between and I’m reluctant to let him go out on loan, but we have to look to his future and if something appealing comes in we will look at it. Don't think there's much wrong with that. Jones isn't using a system that suits him. If he's not quite ready then a loan would certainly suit him. He's a good player. Definitely got a future. He's just turned 20. Shoehorning him into a side that doesn't suit him will stall his progression. Are we really going to considerably benefit from using him this season? No. Is he going to be negatively effected from going out on loan? No. Is he likely to come back to us after his loan? No.
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Post by datguy on Aug 23, 2019 12:37:04 GMT
Don't think there's much wrong with that. Jones isn't using a system that suits him. If he's not quite ready then a loan would certainly suit him. He's a good player. Definitely got a future. He's just turned 20. Shoehorning him into a side that doesn't suit him will stall his progression. Are we really going to considerably benefit from using him this season? No. Is he going to be negatively effected from going out on loan? No. Is he likely to come back to us after his loan? No. Campbell went out on loan and did indeed come back. Why is Verlinden unlikely to come back to us after his loan?
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Aug 23, 2019 12:39:45 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Aug 23, 2019 12:39:45 GMT
Christ, you lot born yesterday? That quote was very similar to the 'We love N'Diaye and don't want to sell him'... Except we never play him and we clearly were trying to drive the price up. Were you born yesterday? Do you think that we would keep N’Diaye if we had received even a semi decent offer for him £8 to £10m- you cannot force up the price of a commodity that no one wants to buy.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 23, 2019 12:40:00 GMT
Can’t really blame him for not putting youngsters in the team at this present time. Indeed, the old heads are serving us so well.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 23, 2019 12:41:42 GMT
What is a 'good offer' or 'appealling' these days in the eyes of Stoke City?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:42:08 GMT
Is he likely to come back to us after his loan? No. Campbell went out on loan and did indeed come back. Why is Verlinden unlikely to come back to us after his loan? Campbell came back thinking he was going to break into the side as a regular. He hasn't come back to fit int the bench. And where is Verlinden coming back to if he goes out on loan as a winger? He isn't coming back to play No.10 is he and we don't have wingers!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:42:41 GMT
What is a 'good offer' or 'appealling' these days in the eyes of Stoke City? A pie that is not past its use by date.
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Post by datguy on Aug 23, 2019 12:44:59 GMT
Campbell went out on loan and did indeed come back. Why is Verlinden unlikely to come back to us after his loan? Campbell came back thinking he was going to break into the side as a regular. He hasn't come back to fit int the bench. And where is Verlinden coming back to if he goes out on loan as a winger? He isn't coming back to play No.10 is he and we don't have wingers! Campbell's made 3 appearances out of 5. He's a regular. We loaned Afobe out because Jones intends to use Campbell. We don't play wingers, no. So what's the problem with loaning Verlinden out?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2019 12:45:32 GMT
”it would take a very good offer” I’m sorry but whatever the question that’s not the response I want to hear where he’s concerned Probably not but you're making one hell of a leap based on what a guy who talks nonsense is saying. He is one of the most contradictory managers I think we've had. He talks in riddles, says one thing and does the other.
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Post by serpico on Aug 23, 2019 12:46:27 GMT
Can’t really blame him for not putting youngsters in the team at this present time. Indeed, the old heads are serving us so well. Name me a manager who, in the midst of a poor run, decides to blood youngsters ?
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Post by datguy on Aug 23, 2019 12:47:00 GMT
'It would take a very good offer' is what every manager says.
Christ. Nowt wrong with it.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 23, 2019 12:49:35 GMT
What did he say “ I want young hungry attacking players willing to learn”,does Verlinden not fall into that category now? Yes I get in this system it’s hard to fit him in but does that mean If the diamond is successful Verlinden’s future is away from the club then?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2019 12:49:50 GMT
What is a 'good offer' or 'appealling' these days in the eyes of Stoke City? It won't be financial, it will mean if we can loan him out to a team playing at a certain level. What he's saying (and most of the time he talks shit) is that if a club comes in for him say in the championship or maybe top of league one and guaranteed him game time hell let him go otherwise he'd rather keep him here. There's no point loaning him out to a championship / top league 1 side if he's going to sit on the bench.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 23, 2019 12:54:03 GMT
Indeed, the old heads are serving us so well. Name me a manager who, in the midst of a poor run, decides to blood youngsters ? I can see your point to an extent but I don't think we are 'blooding' them, Edwards, Collins and Verlinden are our best options in their rightful positions. Fair do's he's going have to change things to fit Verlinden in but it needs to happen very soon (this weekend)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:54:27 GMT
Campbell came back thinking he was going to break into the side as a regular. He hasn't come back to fit int the bench. And where is Verlinden coming back to if he goes out on loan as a winger? He isn't coming back to play No.10 is he and we don't have wingers! Campbell's made 3 appearances out of 5. He's a regular. We loaned Afobe out because Jones intends to use Campbell. We don't play wingers, no. So what's the problem with loaning Verlinden out? That a whole different kettle of fish. Loaning out one of our most talent players because we're wedded to system that dying on its arse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 13:03:30 GMT
He also said he was going to be a young, athletic attacking side we could be proud of and yet on Wednesday completely embarrassed us in front a quarter of million people on the telly... To be fair we've been humiliated in front of bigger audiences in recent years And that didn't include your figures Rob 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 13:04:51 GMT
This amazes me because I thought this would be his breakthrough year with us🙄 Very very poor decision, We're hardly oversubscribed with talented wingers are we...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 13:05:03 GMT
This amazes me because I thought this would be his breakthrough year with us🙄 Is he not saying he wont let him go out on loan here?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 23, 2019 13:16:04 GMT
This amazes me because I thought this would be his breakthrough year with us🙄 Is he not saying he wont let him go out on loan here? Not 100% for me Dave
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 13:21:41 GMT
Indeed, the old heads are serving us so well. Name me a manager who, in the midst of a poor run, decides to blood youngsters ? We are in a pretty unique position that three of our biggest problems are our three most experianced players. Butland, Batth and Allen. All are costing us on a regular basis, all have been shit and all need bombing out. If this a patience thing and he's going nowhere, the club as a whole will find the fans have a lot more patience in a team that has Collins, Edwards, Verlinden & Campbell in it and I'm personally positive that the side would be miles better for it anyway, than it is with the current wankers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 13:23:23 GMT
I might be reading it differently but that's saying to me he's not going out on loan unless it's to a good team - therefore he's staying with us? I hope he's staying, but he's got to be asking himself what the point is, when the manager will only play him 10 minutes every month. That's like 80 mins p/y, with the odd cup game upping that figure slightly. So from his point of view, he would probably hope that a Belgian or German club came in with an offer that NJ can't refuse...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 13:25:30 GMT
Can’t really blame him for not putting youngsters in the team at this present time. Why on earth not. We've got 23 players who can't be bothered to turn in a proper effort, and then we have 5-10 youngsters who are dying to be given a chance. And we had 14 players on the pitch vs PNE but only one could hold his head high and he is 18.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 13:30:11 GMT
Indeed, the old heads are serving us so well. Name me a manager who, in the midst of a poor run, decides to blood youngsters ? Manure weren't doing too well when SAF started introducing several youngsters. Now we know they were sensational, but he could not have been sure then. Solskær took over a despondent manure team and in one of his first European games, away to PSG, he relied on a couple of teens to see them through against the odds.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 23, 2019 13:39:49 GMT
I might be reading it differently but that's saying to me he's not going out on loan unless it's to a good team - therefore he's staying with us? That's exactly how I read it. If Jones wants him playing for a good team,he wont be playing for Stoke then.😛
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 13:45:51 GMT
This is what he said... without giving too much away this is exactly what is happening if god wills it: NJ: Without giving too much away, we think Jarvis, Dunwoody, Sorensen need a league club to get experience and exposure to what it takes. Verlinden is right in between and I’m reluctant to let him go out on loan, but we have to look to his future and if something appealing comes in we will look at it. Don't think there's much wrong with that. Jones isn't using a system that suits him. If he's not quite ready then a loan would certainly suit him. He's a good player. Definitely got a future. He's just turned 20. Shoehorning him into a side that doesn't suit him will stall his progression. Are we really going to considerably benefit from using him this season? No. Is he going to be negatively effected from going out on loan? No. Well he might be. His last loan out to St. Pauli didn't do him any good and probably set him back. If he goes on loan and that doesn't work out, he'll be the new N'goy in 2020, training with the bomb squad. Five years ago Thibo was already then the new N'goy. You wouldn't have thought so when the pair of them were considered to be among the brightest youth players in Europe, but it happened anyway for N'goy. Verlinden is next in line...
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Post by Godo on Aug 23, 2019 13:54:36 GMT
Because he can't be shoe-horned into a diamond the lad should be allowed to go on loan to a decent club......or we should play a system that allows us to incorporate wide players!!!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2019 14:12:36 GMT
Don't think there's much wrong with that. Jones isn't using a system that suits him. If he's not quite ready then a loan would certainly suit him. He's a good player. Definitely got a future. He's just turned 20. Shoehorning him into a side that doesn't suit him will stall his progression. Are we really going to considerably benefit from using him this season? No. Is he going to be negatively effected from going out on loan? No. Is he likely to come back to us after his loan? No. Why would he not, what a stupid comment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 14:15:53 GMT
Is he likely to come back to us after his loan? No. Why would he not, what a stupid comment. So Jones stays and Verlinden comes back to play in a system that doesn't allow for wingers? It's really not that stupid.
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