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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 11, 2019 12:21:10 GMT
If Tymon can reinvent himself into an option for us at left back, there are few on here who would object. I only saw him in the flesh once, away at Bristol City in that terrible cup performance. He was taken off at half time to save him from further embarrassment, although that could have applied to the rest of the team.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 11, 2019 12:28:02 GMT
Seems like MON has been doing his homework just as jeycov has said. Hopefully he'll be back in at Jan. O'Neill did say that everyone who is on the naughty step has a clean slate under him, but it's up to them to take on the task. The current loanees are Verlinden, Bauer, Afobe (Injured), Souttar, Wimmer, Imbula, Tymon. I suspect Tymon, Souttar will stay where they are, they're getting valuable experience. Verlinden possible recall, Afobe out injured. That leaves Bauer, Wimmer and Imbula. Well you certainly don't get the feeling they want to play for Stoke City anytime soon, but will O'Neill give them a fresh look? Past history shows he shouldn't but he may want this to be HIS slate. If he motivated the three shitehawks, he'd be a miracle worker on the level of Christ himself. Can't see it happening though, but we certainly won't be getting permanent offers for any of them anytime soon. I don't know why you lump Bauer in with what you call the "shitehawks". He's a poor defender, but I never found exactly what was wrong behaviourwise. Yeah thinking about it, it was unfair to label him as such.
Will amend.
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Post by Northy on Nov 11, 2019 12:32:26 GMT
TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! Wilko obviously ignored him with those runs against Portsmouth and Man Utd then 😉 And man City in the cup final when we thought he might score but got the ball under his feet instead.
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Post by mamasgloves on Nov 11, 2019 12:41:53 GMT
Sense may be about to prevail. I've said many times by biggest issue with Jones was his treatment of Verlinden. Thank god TP isn't back - he was useless with wingers (etherington excepted) as well.I'm not one of those who wanted TP back but I think it is harsh to say that TP was useless with wingers apart from Etherington. He brought Lawrence and Pennant to the club and made excellent use of them during his time here. If anything, TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! As ever with our Tone, there was always a caveat. Pennant was a great player for us yet found himself behind a centre back on the wing.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 11, 2019 12:47:07 GMT
Hopefully we'll get Verlinden back then in January. Would love to see him back in the team. Why that useless fucker Jones dropped him in the first place was baffling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 12:50:51 GMT
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Nov 11, 2019 12:52:41 GMT
Sense may be about to prevail. I've said many times by biggest issue with Jones was his treatment of Verlinden. Thank god TP isn't back - he was useless with wingers (etherington excepted) as well. Don't forget Ryan Shotton 😂😂😂😂
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Post by str8outtahampton on Nov 11, 2019 13:10:18 GMT
That's cheered me up no end. Not specifically the news about Verlinden, although that is very heartening. Much more the fact that it indicates a sensible, pragmatic, flexible approach. Maybe - finally - we have turned some sort of corner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 13:34:26 GMT
Sense may be about to prevail. I've said many times by biggest issue with Jones was his treatment of Verlinden. Thank god TP isn't back - he was useless with wingers (etherington excepted) as well.I'm not one of those who wanted TP back but I think it is harsh to say that TP was useless with wingers apart from Etherington. He brought Lawrence and Pennant to the club and made excellent use of them during his time here. If anything, TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! Pulis loved wingers,Carl Asaba,Ryan Shotton and Richard Cresswell to name but 3 😁
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Post by realstokebloke on Nov 11, 2019 13:46:55 GMT
Sense may be about to prevail. I've said many times by biggest issue with Jones was his treatment of Verlinden. Thank god TP isn't back - he was useless with wingers (etherington excepted) as well.I'm not one of those who wanted TP back but I think it is harsh to say that TP was useless with wingers apart from Etherington. He brought Lawrence and Pennant to the club and made excellent use of them during his time here. If anything, TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! In the long list of his 'weaker areas if team management', FBs were definitely right up there in the top one for me.
You'd be hard pressed to know if we actually had decent ones due to him either not playing them, preferring CBs out wide (& hanging them out to dry usually) or, when he did, playing them in such a restrctive system that they were never going to impress as mentioned.
(Did we ever see the best of Halls or the Belgian guy with kiddies* for e.g.? And I get that, that depends on your personal view on the role of a FB obviously.)
* I remember: the wonderfully & ironically named hoofkins
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Post by realstokebloke on Nov 11, 2019 13:52:23 GMT
I'd love to see Tymon back & given a crack if he's been making the progress as reported.
He has / had a long way to go though: I last saw him at home vs Preston and he was dire. Whether that was something between the ears or two left feet, I don't know.
Hopefully, he's made that leap and can press his case for a berth in the squad.
(Recalling Verlinden is a no brainer btw. on his last puting - sub at Charlton - he scared the pants off them. What's not to like having pace and trickery on the bench at least?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 14:15:33 GMT
What's not to like having pace and trickery on the bench at least?) There is something not to like about that...he belongs in the team, and I'd much rather see him there than either Ince or McClean!
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Post by Absolution on Nov 11, 2019 16:10:17 GMT
I'm not one of those who wanted TP back but I think it is harsh to say that TP was useless with wingers apart from Etherington. He brought Lawrence and Pennant to the club and made excellent use of them during his time here. If anything, TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! Pulis loved wingers,Carl Asaba,Ryan Shotton and Richard Cresswell to name but 3 😁 How quickly we forget Greenacre.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 16:31:20 GMT
Pulis loved wingers,Carl Asaba,Ryan Shotton and Richard Cresswell to name but 3 😁 How quickly we forget Greenacre. I didn't but did Pulis manage him ?
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Post by Godo on Nov 11, 2019 17:04:29 GMT
What's not to like having pace and trickery on the bench at least?) There is something not to like about that...he belongs in the team, and I'd much rather see him there than either Ince or McClean! But how much better Ince and McClean looked actually playing in their proper positions on Saturday? A motivated Ince brings a level of technical ability to the team that we haven't exactly got an abundance of and if Ward is to play left back he will need the support that McClean provides. Anyway, never change a winning side. Having said that Verlinden would be a great option to bring on from the bench to unsettle the opposition. I'd also like to see Tymon given a chance in January as he'll be closer to being match fit than he has ever been since he's been here and in my view he was hung out to dry in some of those games- e.g. being substituted when the entire 11 were shit!
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Post by Absolution on Nov 11, 2019 17:05:02 GMT
How quickly we forget Greenacre. I didn't but did Pulis manage him ? Yes, definitely. Cotterill signed him then buggered off a few weeks later, leading to Pulis coming in.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 11, 2019 17:52:50 GMT
Can we recall Tymon or Verlinden at anytime?
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Post by rawli on Nov 11, 2019 17:56:12 GMT
How quickly we forget Greenacre. I didn't but did Pulis manage him ? Yes. Didn't always say he was the best finisher at the club and then play him on the wing?
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Post by bolders on Nov 11, 2019 18:02:25 GMT
With the new system in place where does that leave Duffy and Powell (when he isn’t injured with a twisted sock) both of them are ACM not sure if they are suited for wing work
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Post by werrington on Nov 11, 2019 18:05:55 GMT
With the new system in place where does that leave Duffy and Powell (when he isn’t injured with a twisted sock) both of them are ACM not sure if they are suited for wing work Powell hasn’t been injured
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Post by bolders on Nov 11, 2019 18:07:18 GMT
With the new system in place where does that leave Duffy and Powell (when he isn’t injured with a twisted sock) both of them are ACM not sure if they are suited for wing work Powell hasn’t been injured So where’s he been then? And there was reports saying he was
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Post by werrington on Nov 11, 2019 18:11:05 GMT
Powell hasn’t been injured So where’s he been then? And there was reports saying he was It’s been a cover story as he fell out with Jones Can’t remember er where I saw it but I’m sure it was in the media He was straight back in the squad last Saturday though
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Post by bolders on Nov 11, 2019 18:12:56 GMT
So where’s he been then? And there was reports saying he was It’s been a cover story as he fell out with Jones Can’t remember er where I saw it but I’m sure it was in the media He was straight back in the squad last Saturday though So why didn’t our devout ex manager turn the other cheek and forgive him 🤔
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 11, 2019 18:52:24 GMT
Sense may be about to prevail. I've said many times by biggest issue with Jones was his treatment of Verlinden. Thank god TP isn't back - he was useless with wingers (etherington excepted) as well.I'm not one of those who wanted TP back but I think it is harsh to say that TP was useless with wingers apart from Etherington. He brought Lawrence and Pennant to the club and made excellent use of them during his time here. If anything, TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! From the 'horses mouth' i.e. Wilko. On the odd occasion he "forgot" he would run back looking the other way hearing some choice words from his manager
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:16:14 GMT
There is something not to like about that...he belongs in the team, and I'd much rather see him there than either Ince or McClean! But how much better Ince and McClean looked actually playing in their proper positions on Saturday? A motivated Ince brings a level of technical ability to the team that we haven't exactly got an abundance of and if Ward is to play left back he will need the support that McClean provides. Anyway, never change a winning side. Having said that Verlinden would be a great option to bring on from the bench to unsettle the opposition. I'd also like to see Tymon given a chance in January as he'll be closer to being match fit than he has ever been since he's been here and in my view he was hung out to dry in some of those games- e.g. being substituted when the entire 11 were shit! Even though I speak up for Josh, we still need to splash as much money as it takes on an experienced left back in the transfer window. Not sure whether we will be able to bring Tymon back, if he's on a yearlong contract with his Portugese club. As for Ince, of course, he wanted to impress the new manager. But throughout his career, especially with us, he's never been able to keep up commitment for long.
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Post by rawli on Nov 11, 2019 20:26:54 GMT
So where’s he been then? And there was reports saying he was It’s been a cover story as he fell out with Jones Can’t remember er where I saw it but I’m sure it was in the media He was straight back in the squad last Saturday though Christ. He managed to fall out with Davies, Powell, Hogan, Vokes Pieters Bojan, Diouf that we know about. Sounds like the whole thing was out of control
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 17, 2019 18:57:52 GMT
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Post by thicknthin on Nov 17, 2019 19:53:30 GMT
I'm not one of those who wanted TP back but I think it is harsh to say that TP was useless with wingers apart from Etherington. He brought Lawrence and Pennant to the club and made excellent use of them during his time here. If anything, TP was at his weakest in getting the most out of full backs. First he often seemed to prefer 4 centre backs and second, when he had a specialist full back (like Halls for example) he allegedly forbade them from crossing the halfway line! From the 'horses mouth' i.e. Wilko. On the odd occasion he "forgot" he would run back looking the other way hearing some choice words from his manager I remember the time Wilco was bursting forward with the ball on a break (Kicking into the south end so ran right past TP) he got to the halfway line and stopped dead swinging his arms as if he was balancing on the end of a a cliff and nearly falling, pisser
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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 7, 2019 18:40:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 18:41:29 GMT
Just seen it,if only we had a 2 footed winger who could do that
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