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Post by datguy on Aug 23, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
Anyone criticising Coates snr or Coates jnr ( and yes there’s been huge mistakes ) , where are we going get another multi billionaire owner ??? Couldn't give a toss about their billions. Stoke through and through the Coates family are. More than enough for me.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 23, 2019 21:23:44 GMT
Your first statement is 100 per cent wrong, he is in charge and involved every day I was speaking to an ex football league chairman on Monday who still keeps tabs on the footballing world and he’s friends with PC and the family ( he’s recently sold property to John ). He knows Peter and speaks to him regularly and he confirmed John was running the show now and had been for a year or two. Peter takes a back seat (semi retirement if you like) and only acts in an advisory capacity to John. PCs not gone yet but the reins are in Johns control. Spot on
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2019 8:08:21 GMT
What the club needs is a bone fide Technical Director, someone with good football pedigree. Scholes role to be radically diminished.
TD would be responsible for all transfer and contract negotiations, heading recruitment and for identifying managers.
At the moment we have a combination of JC, Scholes and whoever is coming into replace Cartwright Doesn't really work does it.
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Post by Stokyo on Aug 27, 2019 8:42:29 GMT
I've heard this so many times over the last 3 years. It sounds like a wife who has been beaten by her husband so many times she is making excuses not to leave him because she doesnt have the energy or will power. Sadly, although I do think 3 years ago we could have transitioned to a more ambitious owner who could have had us pushing that top half of the Prem table, now we are totally untouchable, who would want to buy into this shower and this financial situation the club has stupidly contracted themselves to. What a ridiculous comparison. They spent loads trying to keep us in the prem. Bad buys by Hughes were our downfall. Transitioned to who?? Coates was responsible for holding onto Hughes far too long, brought in a shit manager on the cheap who oversaw our relegation, replaced him with another cheap manager who then did waste money and now look at the situation we are in, bottom of the championship facing relegation with what looks like another incapable out of his depth manager. You have no idea who we could have transitioned to, you think a comfortable mid table premiere league club attracts no interest because its little old stoke, I disagree.
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Aug 27, 2019 8:55:31 GMT
Post by boothenesque on Aug 27, 2019 8:55:31 GMT
Did he bring in a cheap manager and cheap players. Lambert perhaps. Fans wanted him out though. Rowatt cost us £2m in compensation, Jone will have cost something. How much on players? With hindsight, once resigned to our fate, it would have been better sticking with Lambert. Would have cost less. You can't fault Coates for throwing money at it. It goes to show that it's not just about the money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:04:59 GMT
The disrespect shown on this board to a family that have bank rolled this club is unbelievable.
Just because you're billionaires doesn't make it compulosry to fund a football club and it doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. Sadly they put their faith in Hughes (for too long) and then Rowett. The mess those 2 left is a long fix. Hopefully they stay with us and see us through the mess, if not we may not have a club to support at all.
I'm sure if someone makes an acceptable bid (is the club actually worth anything given the debt?) and has the finances to fund us for a reasonable amount of time, they will be off. Until that time I'd be thankful they're still around.
They haven't got the first clue what they're doing. You say you want them to stay and see us through this mess? These lot are the ones who have got us into this mess and show no signs of being able to get us out of the shit they've created over the last few years. Shit manager after shit manager keep on coming out and saying "They're a great family to work for", and it's no wonder when they're letting them spunk all their money up the wall and not ask any questions. The club from top to bottom is a fucking mess on and off the pitch, has been poorly managed by those at the top, and if this downward trajectory continues we will be back in league one this time next season, then our wonderful owners will really be able to celebrate. Just because they're willing to throw a shed load of money around doesn't make them good owners, and for every poorly run club that has the chance of going out of business (like you seem to think would happen if they weren't here), there are 20 well run clubs. Anyway it wont be long before they have to sack this current manager and then they can fuck about and ultimately get the next appointment wrong and we can start all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
The disrespect shown on this board to a family that have bank rolled this club is unbelievable.
Just because you're billionaires doesn't make it compulosry to fund a football club and it doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. Sadly they put their faith in Hughes (for too long) and then Rowett. The mess those 2 left is a long fix. Hopefully they stay with us and see us through the mess, if not we may not have a club to support at all. I'm sure if someone makes an acceptable bid (is the club actually worth anything given the debt?) and has the finances to fund us for a reasonable amount of time, they will be off. Until that time I'd be thankful they're still around.
They haven't got the first clue what they're doing. You say you want them to stay and see us through this mess?These lot are the ones who have got us into this mess and show no signs of being able to get us out of the shit they've created over the last few years. Shit manager after shit manager keep on coming out and saying "They're a great family to work for", and it's no wonder when they're letting them spunk all their money up the wall and not ask any questions. The club from top to bottom is a fucking mess on and off the pitch, has been poorly managed by those at the top, and if this downward trajectory continues we will be back in league one this time next season, then our wonderful owners will really be able to celebrate. Just because they're willing to throw a shed load of money around doesn't make them good owners, and for every poorly run club that has the chance of going out of business (like you seem to think would happen if they weren't here), there are 20 well run clubs. Anyway it wont be long before they have to sack this current manager and then they can fuck about and ultimately get the next appointment wrong and we can start all over again. They OWN the club. And I can't see anyone desperate to buy it unless you fancy it?
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 27, 2019 9:50:14 GMT
The disrespect shown on this board to a family that have bank rolled this club is unbelievable.
Just because you're billionaires doesn't make it compulosry to fund a football club and it doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. Sadly they put their faith in Hughes (for too long) and then Rowett. The mess those 2 left is a long fix. Hopefully they stay with us and see us through the mess, if not we may not have a club to support at all. I'm sure if someone makes an acceptable bid (is the club actually worth anything given the debt?) and has the finances to fund us for a reasonable amount of time, they will be off. Until that time I'd be thankful they're still around.
They haven't got the first clue what they're doing. You say you want them to stay and see us through this mess? These lot are the ones who have got us into this mess and show no signs of being able to get us out of the shit they've created over the last few years. Shit manager after shit manager keep on coming out and saying "They're a great family to work for", and it's no wonder when they're letting them spunk all their money up the wall and not ask any questions. The club from top to bottom is a fucking mess on and off the pitch, has been poorly managed by those at the top, and if this downward trajectory continues we will be back in league one this time next season, then our wonderful owners will really be able to celebrate. Just because they're willing to throw a shed load of money around doesn't make them good owners, and for every poorly run club that has the chance of going out of business (like you seem to think would happen if they weren't here), there are 20 well run clubs. Anyway it wont be long before they have to sack this current manager and then they can fuck about and ultimately get the next appointment wrong and we can start all over again. Are these owners the same owners who took us into the prem in the first place and did it with out the prem league money.dont recal many complaining back then about the family.
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Aug 27, 2019 10:00:16 GMT
Post by dadofsam on Aug 27, 2019 10:00:16 GMT
I think the musical chairs in the director's box on Saturday was a very public "enough is enough sonny, the big daddy is back in town".
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Post by thevoid on Aug 27, 2019 10:05:42 GMT
They haven't got the first clue what they're doing. You say you want them to stay and see us through this mess? These lot are the ones who have got us into this mess and show no signs of being able to get us out of the shit they've created over the last few years. Shit manager after shit manager keep on coming out and saying "They're a great family to work for", and it's no wonder when they're letting them spunk all their money up the wall and not ask any questions. The club from top to bottom is a fucking mess on and off the pitch, has been poorly managed by those at the top, and if this downward trajectory continues we will be back in league one this time next season, then our wonderful owners will really be able to celebrate. Just because they're willing to throw a shed load of money around doesn't make them good owners, and for every poorly run club that has the chance of going out of business (like you seem to think would happen if they weren't here), there are 20 well run clubs. Anyway it wont be long before they have to sack this current manager and then they can fuck about and ultimately get the next appointment wrong and we can start all over again. Are these owners the same owners who took us into the prem in the first place and did it with out the prem league money.dont recal many complaining back then about the family. If you're going to take the praise you're also going to have to take any criticism when it's due. No one's covered themselves in glory over the last 3.5 years.
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Aug 27, 2019 10:13:30 GMT
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 27, 2019 10:13:30 GMT
I don't understand the concept of excusing people/organisations/systems for past glories and achievements with this club when the last few years they have all but completely undone their good work through nothing but their terrible decision making. Coates and Co deserve a lot of praise for what they did, it's a given. But it doesn't write off the terrible mis-management we've been subject to in the past 3-4 years. Times move on and change, you can't rest on your laurels and yesterday's achievements.
If you got a taxi and the driver crashed the car into the central reservation despite several chances to avoid it you wouldn't excuse him for completing the hundred prior journeys.
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 27, 2019 10:20:10 GMT
I shudder to think what they would think if they read this thread
yes they've messed up big style but also, you could not help them feeling perhaps :-
what a set of ungrateful bastards
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 27, 2019 11:50:40 GMT
The disrespect shown on this board to a family that have bank rolled this club is unbelievable.
Just because you're billionaires doesn't make it compulosry to fund a football club and it doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. Sadly they put their faith in Hughes (for too long) and then Rowett. The mess those 2 left is a long fix. Hopefully they stay with us and see us through the mess, if not we may not have a club to support at all.
I'm sure if someone makes an acceptable bid (is the club actually worth anything given the debt?) and has the finances to fund us for a reasonable amount of time, they will be off. Until that time I'd be thankful they're still around.
They haven't got the first clue what they're doing. You say you want them to stay and see us through this mess? These lot are the ones who have got us into this mess and show no signs of being able to get us out of the shit they've created over the last few years. Shit manager after shit manager keep on coming out and saying "They're a great family to work for", and it's no wonder when they're letting them spunk all their money up the wall and not ask any questions. The club from top to bottom is a fucking mess on and off the pitch, has been poorly managed by those at the top, and if this downward trajectory continues we will be back in league one this time next season, then our wonderful owners will really be able to celebrate. Just because they're willing to throw a shed load of money around doesn't make them good owners, and for every poorly run club that has the chance of going out of business (like you seem to think would happen if they weren't here), there are 20 well run clubs. Anyway it wont be long before they have to sack this current manager and then they can fuck about and ultimately get the next appointment wrong and we can start all over again. How any fan can be so disrespectful to the family at a time when clubs are going out of business beggars belief. Not only did they save us from a similar demise but they funded by means of an £30 million interest free loan our ten years in the Premiership. They care about our club and want to see it as a stable, viable and successful club because they are fans and have grown up in the area supporting Stoke. How many owners know more about their football club? Recruitment mistakes have been made. In terms of players that is not their fault. They understand that they are not knowledgeable enough to make those decisions and take advice from the manager and CEO, balancing the business side with the footballing side. I would agree that this does not appear to be working at the moment but the CEO is a member of the board so difficult to get rid of. As for recruiting managers it has to be their decision but how many managers have Man Utd got wrong (I'm sure Solskjaer won't be the answer either)? Which sort of owner would you prefer? A business man probably foreign who is only interested in success and profit. An owner like Derby's who is such a control freak he tells the manager who to buy and who to play and when it looks like they might be done for FFP buys the ground off the club.?Would you want our ground to be owned by a third party? The Coates family have ensured that our club owns its own ground. Perhaps the one criticism that can be levelled at them is that they have been too loyal but that is just a sign of how caring a family they are just as when they gave Delap his contract while he lay in a hospital bed not knowing if his career would be ended. The reason managers like them is not for the money they are given - other clubs do that - but because of the moral support they are given. They are at the training ground everyday, not to snoop and criticise but to give support and to be available for the manager to talk to if needed. They are caring employers who having made their decision stick by it for as long as they feel they can. I for one hope they never feel the need to sell but am sure that should the day come will do the best to choose the owner they feel will benefit the club most not give them the biggest profit. I just hope it never comes to that but my biggest fear is that if supporters like you carry out a vendetta against them they may decide enough is enough. Then we will probably really know what careful what you wish for really means.
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Aug 27, 2019 12:11:29 GMT
Post by ursemboys on Aug 27, 2019 12:11:29 GMT
Are these owners the same owners who took us into the prem in the first place and did it with out the prem league money.dont recal many complaining back then about the family. If you're going to take the praise you're also going to have to take any criticism when it's due. No one's covered themselves in glory over the last 3.5 years. That's very true mate but i don't think they are sitting there taking the praise now,they know they have and are screwing it up though i do think this is down to young coates and scholes,i expect old man to step in very soon.
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 27, 2019 12:41:01 GMT
Interesting to read some of this today given where Bolton Wanderers are right now i.e within a few hours of effectively being wound up. Dont forget Bolton and Stoke have many similarities in truth. My take : 'there but for the grace of god and Peter Coates go we'.
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Aug 27, 2019 14:52:52 GMT
Post by senojbor on Aug 27, 2019 14:52:52 GMT
The owners made a huge mistake appointing Jones. Inexperienced and unproven at this level The results have been unacceptable and they mustn't let it get worse. Another manager with proven skills is needed now. All is not lost if they do.
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Aug 27, 2019 17:13:24 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 27, 2019 17:13:24 GMT
I think the musical chairs in the director's box on Saturday was a very public "enough is enough sonny, the big daddy is back in town". Is it really that significant where they sit ??🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Aug 27, 2019 17:34:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 17:34:11 GMT
They haven't got the first clue what they're doing. You say you want them to stay and see us through this mess? These lot are the ones who have got us into this mess and show no signs of being able to get us out of the shit they've created over the last few years. Shit manager after shit manager keep on coming out and saying "They're a great family to work for", and it's no wonder when they're letting them spunk all their money up the wall and not ask any questions. The club from top to bottom is a fucking mess on and off the pitch, has been poorly managed by those at the top, and if this downward trajectory continues we will be back in league one this time next season, then our wonderful owners will really be able to celebrate. Just because they're willing to throw a shed load of money around doesn't make them good owners, and for every poorly run club that has the chance of going out of business (like you seem to think would happen if they weren't here), there are 20 well run clubs. Anyway it wont be long before they have to sack this current manager and then they can fuck about and ultimately get the next appointment wrong and we can start all over again. How any fan can be so disrespectful to the family at a time when clubs are going out of business beggars belief. Not only did they save us from a similar demise but they funded by means of an £30 million interest free loan our ten years in the Premiership. They care about our club and want to see it as a stable, viable and successful club because they are fans and have grown up in the area supporting Stoke. How many owners know more about their football club? Recruitment mistakes have been made. In terms of players that is not their fault. They understand that they are not knowledgeable enough to make those decisions and take advice from the manager and CEO, balancing the business side with the footballing side. I would agree that this does not appear to be working at the moment but the CEO is a member of the board so difficult to get rid of. As for recruiting managers it has to be their decision but how many managers have Man Utd got wrong (I'm sure Solskjaer won't be the answer either)? Which sort of owner would you prefer? A business man probably foreign who is only interested in success and profit. An owner like Derby's who is such a control freak he tells the manager who to buy and who to play and when it looks like they might be done for FFP buys the ground off the club.?Would you want our ground to be owned by a third party? The Coates family have ensured that our club owns its own ground. Perhaps the one criticism that can be levelled at them is that they have been too loyal but that is just a sign of how caring a family they are just as when they gave Delap his contract while he lay in a hospital bed not knowing if his career would be ended. The reason managers like them is not for the money they are given - other clubs do that - but because of the moral support they are given. They are at the training ground everyday, not to snoop and criticise but to give support and to be available for the manager to talk to if needed. They are caring employers who having made their decision stick by it for as long as they feel they can. I for one hope they never feel the need to sell but am sure that should the day come will do the best to choose the owner they feel will benefit the club most not give them the biggest profit. I just hope it never comes to that but my biggest fear is that if supporters like you carry out a vendetta against them they may decide enough is enough. Then we will probably really know what careful what you wish for really means. Player recruitment can be levied at them by the default of who they employ to recruit players. The football club does not own the stadium. It is owned by a holding company, of which the family are directors/owners and at last viewing, the football club actually pays rent to said company for the Stadium use and maintenance.
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Post by serpico on Aug 27, 2019 17:38:38 GMT
I reckon Coates snr is just about ready to drop the axe, he was frustrated about drawing so many games last season so he’s not going to be happy losing game after game this season on top of that.
Jones was probably not his preferred choice, he usually goes for dependable pragmatists not young up and comers. I reckon neither Rowett or jones were Coates Snrs preferred choice, I think he might be about to reassert himself and chose the next man himself, I expect he’ll first try for Moyes, allardyce and also try o neill again... we’ll probably end up with TP or Hughton.
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