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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:17:21 GMT
Play with a disciplined back four, with proper full-backs. Wing-backs are neither wingers nor full-backs.
Play a solid midfield four with wide men who can carry the ball forward.
It won't solve all your (mostly self-imposed) problems, but it'd be a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:18:55 GMT
4231 is our best formation, has been for 6 years.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:21:13 GMT
4231 is our best formation, has been for 6 years. It's better than the diamond, but still lacks width.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:21:42 GMT
Play with a disciplined back four, with proper full-backs. Wing-backs are neither wingers nor full-backs. Play a solid midfield four with wide men who can carry the ball forward. It won't solve all your (mostly self-imposed) problems, but it'd be a good start. We don't have a left back. We don't have wide men. Other than that, great post.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:22:24 GMT
We don't have a holding midfielder either.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2019 21:26:27 GMT
We don't have a holding midfielder either. We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:28:17 GMT
We don't have a holding midfielder either. We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory We looked shocking there with three centre backs. Everyone just standing arou d doing nothing. I'm afraid Jones has done what Rowett did, and not signed players that fit what he wants to do. It looks a mess.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:29:42 GMT
Play with a disciplined back four, with proper full-backs. Wing-backs are neither wingers nor full-backs. Play a solid midfield four with wide men who can carry the ball forward. It won't solve all your (mostly self-imposed) problems, but it'd be a good start. We don't have a left back. We don't have wide men. Other than that, great post. McClean on the left of midfield and either Ince or Edwards (the best crosser of a ball at the club) on the right.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2019 21:32:31 GMT
We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory We looked shocking there with three centre backs. Everyone just standing arou d doing nothing. I'm afraid Jones has done what Rowett did, and not signed players that fit what he wants to do. It looks a mess. All three of those centre backs can actually play a bit, and those left and right can move wide, if need be, when we are on the attack. If the wing backs push up, Badou can always drop and make a back four again if we are caught on the counter. It can work, given the right players and a bit of practice. Edwards and Clucas would give us width, Woods would be freed up to play passes in the final third, Etebo would give drive from midfield and Powell can link up attacks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 21:33:56 GMT
4231 is our best formation, has been for 6 years. It's better than the diamond, but still lacks width. Playing Ince and Verlinden in a 4231 wouldn’t lack width.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:35:39 GMT
Id be finding room for Duffy........he can make things happen
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:10 GMT
Play with a disciplined back four, with proper full-backs. Wing-backs are neither wingers nor full-backs. Play a solid midfield four with wide men who can carry the ball forward. It won't solve all your (mostly self-imposed) problems, but it'd be a good start. We don't have a left back. We don't have wide men. Other than that, great post. ward at lb, McClean or verlinden at left wing, Ince right wing
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:17 GMT
It's better than the diamond, but still lacks width. Playing Ince and Verlinden in a 4231 wouldn’t lack width. That's fair enough. I didn't see the subs tonight - is Verlinden making the bench?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 21:38:59 GMT
Playing Ince and Verlinden in a 4231 wouldn’t lack width. That's fair enough. I didn't see the subs tonight - is Verlinden making the bench? He isn’t. But the manager is a coward so it’s no surprise.
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Post by cooper67 on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:09 GMT
Playing Ince and Verlinden in a 4231 wouldn’t lack width. That's fair enough. I didn't see the subs tonight - is Verlinden making the bench? No.
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Post by stokedinohio on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:12 GMT
No matter the actual formation (4-4-2 vs 4-3-2-1), I think simplifying the positions and responsibilities overall is a place to start.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2019 21:40:37 GMT
4231 is our best formation, has been for 6 years. It's better than the diamond, but still lacks width. Lacks width? You’d have Ince and Verlinden as genuine wingers in that system.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 21, 2019 21:42:38 GMT
Criminal that young Verlinden has been overlooked so far. Such a talented young player just wasting away.
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Post by bhp on Aug 21, 2019 21:42:43 GMT
If we persist with the wing backs then we need to go 31411 like we did Vs Wigan to try get better balance. Will give the wing backs more license to support the attack whilst the defence isn't gaping open.
Quite like to see how 4231 pans out with Verlinden - Powell - Ince behind the striker
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Post by loosestools on Aug 21, 2019 21:43:34 GMT
He has sold himself to Coates et al on the diamond formation as being the panacea to all of our ills. Its not worked you quack - time to head out of town overnight before you are caught out and hung.
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Post by sealion100 on Aug 21, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
I agree 442 no goalie ... oh wait ...we’re already doing that bit !!
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 21, 2019 21:47:59 GMT
No, no, no, no, no.
We have this shit every single year. 4-4-fucking-2 will not work for us at all.
We have to go 4231 as it is the only way we will get any sort of solidity in the team.
We simply have to have 2 holding midfielders, not 1. Not 2 players playing box to box. Not 1 sitting and one pushing on we have to have 2 that sit.
Oh and on top of that we have no wingers.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:50:09 GMT
It's better than the diamond, but still lacks width. Lacks width? You’d have Ince and Verlinden as genuine wingers in that system. I've already said to another poster that that's fair enough. Or you could play Ince and Verlinden as widemen in a midfield four. But that would mean dropping McClean, and I can't see him doing that.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 21, 2019 21:59:32 GMT
We don't have a holding midfielder either. We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory Of that proposed team Collins looked lost when he came on tonight Lindsay had a poor game Edwards contributed nothing Woods was awful Badou is not available Etebo was woeful Clucas was anonymous
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2019 22:02:35 GMT
We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory Of that proposed team Collins looked lost when he came on tonight Lindsay had a poor game Edwards contributed nothing Woods was awful Badou is not available Etebo was woeful Clucas was anonymous So what is your bright suggestion for a team to put out of the squad we have right now?
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 21, 2019 22:28:24 GMT
Whatever we play tactics wise I think we need Etebo an cousins as the middle two Clucas an Allen are shocking an need a rest
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 22:31:59 GMT
No thanks, if it changes its either 3 at the back or 4-2-3-1.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 22, 2019 5:38:33 GMT
We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory Of that proposed team Collins looked lost when he came on tonight Lindsay had a poor game Edwards contributed nothing Woods was awful Badou is not available Etebo was woeful Clucas was anonymous Eh, Collins looked lost? don't agree with that one single bit.
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 22, 2019 5:55:22 GMT
We do if Badou is made to actually work for his wages......a novel idea, I know. For now we must stop the bleeding, find a way not to concede 2 or 3 goals every game. Whether that is 3 CBs, two holders, whatever, just get it done and give us a base to build on. I'd get rid of Jones' effing diamond and play this XI on Saturday: Davies Collins, Carter Vickers, Lindsay Edwards, Woods, Badou, Etebo, Clucas Powell Gregory Get your abacus out No I think he’s onto something here. Sticking an extra man in should help with blocking the gaping hole in our midfield.
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Post by knowingeye on Aug 22, 2019 6:37:39 GMT
Spot on post subject
4-4-2
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