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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Sept 1, 2019 6:00:32 GMT
Hughton, Moyes or Allardyce for me
Anyone would accept with enough money offered.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 1, 2019 6:12:45 GMT
I'll watch the club in League 1, I've done it before, but if the capped crook returned I'm done
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Post by stonescfc on Sept 1, 2019 6:19:02 GMT
It's September 1st and i'm already thinking we are in a relegation battle,our goal difference is shocking already and a win in our next game will not get us out of the bottom 3.This is a shocking start that needs halting before we get cut adrift.For me personally i would get on the phone to Pulis and if he fancied it get rid of Jones today.I could take a season of TP but can't take much more of Jones who is taking us down. This reflects how I feel, I’m worried that the board m in their infinite wisdom’ will give Jones too long (a’la Hughes) in an attempt to save face and this not be their 3rd managerial failure. Every game we lose it gets harder for the next man. I was glad to be rid of TP’s turgid football but I’d happily watch it every week instead of what we’ve seen for the last 3 years.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 1, 2019 9:15:39 GMT
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Post by scfc5 on Sept 1, 2019 9:16:30 GMT
Would Jokanovic be the best option? 2 promotions from this division with different teams, both recently. He’s managing in Qatar currently but surely could be tempted back?
Wouldn’t recent double promotion experience be better than someone who did it once, a good while back (TP)?
Edit - I see Hughton has done it twice too.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2019 9:39:32 GMT
Would Jokanovic be the best option? 2 promotions from this division with different teams, both recently. He’s managing in Qatar currently but surely could be tempted back? Wouldn’t recent double promotion experience be better than someone who did it once, a good while back (TP)? Edit - I see Hughton has done it twice too. Wouldn't like to guess what kind of astronomical salary Jokanovic is on out there though. And he apparently wasn't interested in talking to us in January, was he?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 1, 2019 9:46:39 GMT
TP for me! He seems the only one able to manage this club! We certainly wouldn't go down if TP came in now, but for every game with NJ the inevitable gets closer I'm afraid! TP completely divides the fan base and for that reason, I’m out.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 1, 2019 9:52:06 GMT
The answer is TP! Just a quick reminder that the last time Pulis was in charge of a team that was struggling (West Brom) he was sacked after winning 4 games in 22. If people want him back, I respect that, but let's not pretend that: a) he is the only answer b) that his arrival would guarantee anything (in terms of results) c) that he would do anything other than split the fanbase again
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Post by scfc5 on Sept 1, 2019 9:59:27 GMT
Would Jokanovic be the best option? 2 promotions from this division with different teams, both recently. He’s managing in Qatar currently but surely could be tempted back? Wouldn’t recent double promotion experience be better than someone who did it once, a good while back (TP)? Edit - I see Hughton has done it twice too. Wouldn't like to guess what kind of astronomical salary Jokanovic is on out there though. And he apparently wasn't interested in talking to us in January, was he? I agree on wages, but I doubt Hughton or TP would come cheap, as neither need the job. I doubt we know what really went on in January but surely worth a renewed attempt either way.
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Post by march4 on Sept 1, 2019 10:01:38 GMT
Surely conversations are being had by our owners.
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Post by march4 on Sept 1, 2019 10:03:34 GMT
The answer is TP! Just a quick reminder that the last time Pulis was in charge of a team that was struggling (West Brom) he was sacked after winning 4 games in 22. If people want him back, I respect that, but let's not pretend that: a) he is the only answer b) that his arrival would guarantee anything (in terms of results) c) that he would do anything other than split the fanbase again This will be the WBA that he had saved from certain relegation the previous season, just as he had saved us Plymouth and Palace. Surely the WBA situation had much to do with their change in ownership.
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2019 10:11:42 GMT
Would most supporters back another manager from the lower league's? I think it’s too much right now but possibly at the end of the season. I would prefer an experienced short term option to stabilise and then look to build on it in the summer. Quite frankly, I agree with March that TP until the end of the season then he goes upstairs is a good plan. I’d happily then take the Cowley brothers at the end of the season if I knew TP was upstairs to advise and be the experienced head. You might however I can't imagine TP bring the right man for such a role. He's very much the control freak. With TP either you give him carte blanche or you don't employ him. For a large percentage of our supporters it's the latter.
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 1, 2019 10:15:17 GMT
Chris Houghton if possible if not Danny Cowley
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 10:17:17 GMT
I think it’s too much right now but possibly at the end of the season. I would prefer an experienced short term option to stabilise and then look to build on it in the summer. Quite frankly, I agree with March that TP until the end of the season then he goes upstairs is a good plan. I’d happily then take the Cowley brothers at the end of the season if I knew TP was upstairs to advise and be the experienced head. You might however I can't imagine TP bring the right man for such a role. He's very much the control freak. With TP either you give him carte blanche or you don't employ him. For a large percentage of our supporters it's the latter. It’s a tricky one. He’s getting on he can’t manage forever so could he adapt to an upstairs role. I reckon he could but you’d have to find a manager he really got on with in and felt he could take under his wing. He doesn’t suffer fools gladly or being disrespected. There is a large percentage that have always said never again but in the face of the current crisis that seems to be dwindling as the number saying I didn’t really want this but I can see that he could fix it is increasing. There are such things as necessary evils and out fan base on the whole is fairly pragmatic. We don’t want another relegation that’s the bottom line now.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 1, 2019 11:05:05 GMT
Clever forcing some hands ,the game begins , we had better get used to it , farewell , Collins , verlinden , Edwards , etc , Lindsay will stay as left back behind McLean , team selections to prove a point , Chuck in fans of no interest only the owners , buckle up for the most divisive spell of all , still could be fun with scholes to start with .
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 1, 2019 11:07:55 GMT
Talk of a new manager seems all the rage atm, and whilst i cant see the board getting rid of jones, surely danny cowley is worth a shout, done a great job at lincoln, 2 promotions on his cv and has a great record in the cup showing he can adapt tactically. Under normal circumstances, yes. This isn't normal though- we're an absolute basketcase at the moment: a bloated squad comprising three different managers' pathetic signings, a cocktail of Premier League egos, wet-behind-the-ears youngsters and lower league shit, none of whom have any confidence whatsoever. It needs an experienced, older head who'll instantly command respect and will know how to handle a toxic dressing room. That's why I think Hughton and Pulis are the only two I'd consider for the job. 99/100 at any club, given the choice between Cowley and TP, I wouldn't even bother giving the Capped Crusader an interview. Here though, it's crisis management- and Cowley won't have experienced that before, the same as Jones clearly hasn't. Yes, exactly this. The job is to to mend a chair. We need someone who can mend a chair. Not paint it. Not make a pencil case. Mend the fucking chair. i really really hope the board have your sense!!!!
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 1, 2019 11:11:02 GMT
Hughton, Moyes or Allardyce for me Anyone would accept with enough money offered. And the right role. Role is key for these folks. They've done the mid managment version of football manager and want a canvas to implement their strategies, experience and philopsophies. For me, it would add weight if they came with a DOF role - project, blueprint etc - to put in place the team and processes across the footballing side of the club. Perhaps they eventually did that full time and employed a first team coach/manager. If the job is bog standard manager, it wouldn't be worth it. They've seen it, done it.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 1, 2019 11:37:12 GMT
This time it has to be a manager who is fully experienced and not some shot in the dark. We've tried that with Jones. He had the credentials to be an up and coming manager and it should have worked far better than it has for him. Unfortunately it hasn't. In a way I'm sad that it hasn't worked out because I really did have high hopes for him. From Luton to Stoke has been too big a jump for him, not least because he's inherited a toxic situation where there's no room for failure.
Half (maybe more) of our fanbase have been brought up on Premiership football and they've never known anything else. Most of us older fans have walked the mile of failure... and back again. That gives us an even greater insight about what can happen and are aware that the position we're in now can get far worse.
Personally I have no preference other than it has to be someone with a proven track record. An addendum to that comment is that even though the situation is dire and the fanbase is angry, I don't think it would be a good idea to bring back Pulis. We've got enough problems without pissing off already pissed off fans.
OS.
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Post by ted1965 on Sept 1, 2019 11:40:50 GMT
I totally understand the clamour from some for TP, as the manager to ride to the rescue, he gave us some wonderful times and for that I believe most people will always be grateful, he’s like that comfort blanket that protects toy from the cold night. He makes some feel better and they can remember the good times and believe they are just around the corner again while he’s on the touchline. The real facts are time and this football club have moved on and it’s not 2007 anymore. If the board choose to change direction it truly has to be a change that moves the club forward not sideways or backwards.
If you’re bringing in some kind of firefighter that for me would need to be on the understanding he’s here merely to restore some order and stability until the end of this season, while the proves of finding a long term successor is sorted out. Who is going to accept those terms very few and I am sure Pulis would not, he would want another year if he got the club into the top half of the table irrespective of how awful it might be to achieve those results. Then those supporters who want him back would be in uproar if he was moved aside again come next summer for a shiny new manager whoever he was. He brought us some wonderful times and I will be forever grateful and appreciative but he is yesterday’s news as far as this club is concerned and should remain so.
If he was appointed and the worst happened the same people would blame Jones and demand he was given the chance to take us back to the Championship, it would simply be a never ending story. Thw club has to move forward whatever or whoever that means.
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 1, 2019 11:54:17 GMT
Surely conversations are being had by our owners. Sure they are but I can bet you his name aint be talked about
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 1, 2019 12:02:51 GMT
Hughton, Moyes or Allardyce for me Anyone would accept with enough money offered. We are in massive debt. How many more managers can we be paying off?
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Sept 1, 2019 12:07:41 GMT
We’re not in debt and we are operating within FFP
I’m not sure by what margins, I assume it’s quite tight.
Also can’t imagine Jones is on a massive wage
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 1, 2019 12:10:53 GMT
Just a quick reminder that the last time Pulis was in charge of a team that was struggling (West Brom) he was sacked after winning 4 games in 22. If people want him back, I respect that, but let's not pretend that: a) he is the only answer b) that his arrival would guarantee anything (in terms of results) c) that he would do anything other than split the fanbase again This will be the WBA that he had saved from certain relegation the previous season, just as he had saved us Plymouth and Palace. Surely the WBA situation had much to do with their change in ownership. then in that case Jones could say the same and this is now down to Rowett last season etc,MARCH TAKE YOUR STUPID OBSESSION WITH THE TWAT IN A CAP AND GO GET SOME HELP there is something wrong with you
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 1, 2019 12:40:46 GMT
Christian Streich As got a fantastic record on a low budget , would he come I doubt it but money talks
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 1, 2019 12:42:14 GMT
We’re not in debt and we are operating within FFP I’m not sure by what margins, I assume it’s quite tight. Also can’t imagine Jones is on a massive wage We are in debt to Bet365 (Stoke Holdings) can’t remember the figure but was over 100mil
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 1, 2019 12:52:35 GMT
Hughton, Moyes or Allardyce for me Anyone would accept with enough money offered. We are in massive debt. How many more managers can we be paying off? It’s not the debt itself it’s FF expense v income one of these top flight management teams is £10m a year something we balked at when we could so no chance when we can’t deal will be £750k -1M with a rolling 1 year , 500k for avoiding relegation , 750k for the play offs , name your number for promotion , plays right into someone’s hands the perfect marriage toxic manager , toxic club , toxic squad .
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Post by thevoid on Sept 1, 2019 13:35:40 GMT
Get it done Owls. You know it makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 14:33:42 GMT
It was axe time last week for me. This week he should have been rogered with the mamba. He's had more than enough time to avoid a large snake up the rectum.
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Post by questionable on Sept 1, 2019 14:53:59 GMT
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Post by rawli on Sept 1, 2019 15:00:15 GMT
We’re not in debt and we are operating within FFP I’m not sure by what margins, I assume it’s quite tight. Also can’t imagine Jones is on a massive wage We are in debt. In terms of FFP we must be sailing close to the wind and having to pay off a number of backroom staff and employ new ones isn't going to help matters on that front. Could easily save a million by getting rid of the Chief Executive though.
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