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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 22, 2019 17:24:13 GMT
Bored of the Scholes criticism if I’m honest. Yes he needs fucking off, but honestly we’ve got a squad of players out there that should be winning games, no ifs and no buts. Naff all to do with Scholes is that .... That’s not the case though. Our squad of players is not good enough regardless how many “Big Names” we have. They are mainly bang average Journeymen who have little ability, motivation or inclination to work their bollocks off to overcome our current adversity. The Championship standard is too high for our team to compete at the Top. Afobe, Vokes, Ince, Allen, Woods, Butland, Clucas are slowly but surely becoming relatively worthless in the Transfer Market. Scholes and Coates are the only remaining constant in our disastrous decline over the last 3 years. I’d say Scholes is a Big part our decline.
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 22, 2019 20:12:58 GMT
Matelot ... err no shit sherlock ? .... I find it quite amazing people are coming to this conclusion after such a torrid 3 years. I strongly suggest some of you examine what the role of a chief executive actually encompassss / spans in any sizable organisation.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 20:22:39 GMT
So in the lead up to the next transfer window and all the Christmas stuff, I think this is probably the best time tbh, they also so know better than anyone if he's needed right now or not. But that aside if he needs to be reached I'm sure they'll be able too. All the Christmas stuff? He really doesn’t need to be overseeing the Christmas parties more than this shower of shite we are seeing right now across all aspects of the club. I'm pretty sure he tries to oversee most things from what I know, not sure what he's meant to do about how the players on the pitch are performing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 20:24:29 GMT
So in the lead up to the next transfer window and all the Christmas stuff, I think this is probably the best time tbh, they also so know better than anyone if he's needed right now or not. But that aside if he needs to be reached I'm sure they'll be able too. I'm sure he can be reached. I've just landed in Spain and I can be reached by works well. I'll only do bits though and my head isnt in work mode. Hes paid in excess of 1m per year. His job is football and he shouldnt be on holiday in football season let alone the transfer window. It's not the 1st time either. It is laughable. It's more evidence of complacency and it shows lack of leadership from the top. It's just poor all round when you consider the difficulties we face as a football club So he's never allowed to go on holiday then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:24:50 GMT
All the Christmas stuff? He really doesn’t need to be overseeing the Christmas parties more than this shower of shite we are seeing right now across all aspects of the club. I'm pretty sure he tries to oversee most things from what I know, not sure what he's meant to do about how the players on the pitch are performing. It’s not just that though is it. It’s that we still have the bomb squad, the season ticket fiasco, that we’re all risking salmonella every week. It’s that both on and off the pitch we are an absolute shambles.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 20:27:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure he tries to oversee most things from what I know, not sure what he's meant to do about how the players on the pitch are performing. It’s not just that though is it. It’s that we still have the bomb squad, the season ticket fiasco, that we’re all risking salmonella every week. It’s that both on and off the pitch we are an absolute shambles. I don't know about the season ticket thing tbh, there's not a lot he can do about the bomb squad, if they aren't wanted they aren't wanted, and the salmonella thing is a joke, who's in charge of food hygiene etc?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:29:57 GMT
It’s not just that though is it. It’s that we still have the bomb squad, the season ticket fiasco, that we’re all risking salmonella every week. It’s that both on and off the pitch we are an absolute shambles. I don't know about the season ticket thing tbh, there's not a lot he can do about the bomb squad, if they aren't wanted they aren't wanted, and the salmonella thing is a joke, who's in charge of food hygiene etc? I don’t know but for me, right now, he should be here - he’s the CEO and the business is embarrassing across so many different departments.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 22, 2019 20:53:55 GMT
I'm sure he can be reached. I've just landed in Spain and I can be reached by works well. I'll only do bits though and my head isnt in work mode. Hes paid in excess of 1m per year. His job is football and he shouldnt be on holiday in football season let alone the transfer window. It's not the 1st time either. It is laughable. It's more evidence of complacency and it shows lack of leadership from the top. It's just poor all round when you consider the difficulties we face as a football club So he's never allowed to go on holiday then? Of course he is. Hes got a whole 6 weeks once season has finished. In the seaside is just about acceptable. In the transfer window, AGAIN, is inexcusable.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 22, 2019 20:54:14 GMT
Get out our club song.. what minute would be best for that though? There isn’t a 130m which is about the amount he’s wasted
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 21:01:35 GMT
So he's never allowed to go on holiday then? Of course he is. Hes got a whole 6 weeks once season has finished. In the seaside is just about acceptable. In the transfer window, AGAIN, is inexcusable. You don't think he's already trying to negotiate with agents and clubs etc then because I'm pretty sure it starts before that.
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Post by Gods on Aug 22, 2019 21:05:31 GMT
Hung on to Hughes for too long after he lost the plot and then 3 tragic managerial appointments. Can you park that at Scholes door ? I doubt you can, I expect he gets a vote in the managerial appointments but in the end he will mostly go along with what Peter and John say. And we can't slag Peter and John because they are bank rolling the operation. You can distinguish between Peter and John. Since John has supposed took the reins he’s done nothing right. Peter needs to put his foot down here methinks. I think you have something there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 21:07:17 GMT
You can distinguish between Peter and John. Since John has supposed took the reins he’s done nothing right. Peter needs to put his foot down here methinks. I think you have something there. I mean it’s nice that he gave his son a little job so he wasn’t completely overshadowed by the vast achievements of his sister but it’s time for a serious time out on the naughty step...
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 22, 2019 21:17:15 GMT
The blame for the last 3 years sits squarely on his shoulders.Relegation, stagnation,managers have come and gone, players come and .....well been devalued until they are unsaleable, match day experience none existent, scapegoat recruitment Director gone, club rotten to the core, on his watch. Any other business would have found “ new challenges” for him to move onto now. Making Jez Moxey look competent, that takes some doing! Bang on, I’m glad it’s not just me who thinks this
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 22, 2019 21:24:47 GMT
Of course he is. Hes got a whole 6 weeks once season has finished. In the seaside is just about acceptable. In the transfer window, AGAIN, is inexcusable. You don't think he's already trying to negotiate with agents and clubs etc then because I'm pretty sure it starts before that. Until the deals are concluded he should be at the club. Fiddling whilst Rome burns springs to mind.
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Post by Milkie on Aug 22, 2019 21:54:10 GMT
Who has the relationship with Scholes ? Genuine question, has Peter stepped back but keeps Tony as his trusted guardian, or is Scholes an allies of JR, makes a difference to the context of his role and what is happening?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 22, 2019 22:26:59 GMT
You don't think he's already trying to negotiate with agents and clubs etc then because I'm pretty sure it starts before that. Until the deals are concluded he should be at the club. Fiddling whilst Rome burns springs to mind. It’s not just deals either we’ve key games coming up for both our Playing fortunes and match day experience the chief exec should be at Every home game regardless it’s why it’s a very demanding job with very high reward it’s the overall leader of the business that sets the tone
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Post by theoptimist on Aug 22, 2019 22:35:33 GMT
If we were still in the premier league would he have taken holiday in the season? Don't think so. It's another sign that those who run our club have given up.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 22, 2019 22:48:49 GMT
In any business, the buck stops with the CEO. He gets paid the big fat salary to bear that responsibility. The club has failed miserably these past three years, which means that he has failed miserably as CEO. In most football clubs, let alone other less unpredictable and turbulent businesses, he would have gotten the sack.
In my law firm, I know that if the firm does not do well, it is the fault of myself and the other partners, not any of the secretaries or even the associates. We hire and fire, set the policies and practices, accept clients and oversee the business, market the firm etc.
That he is now on holiday at a time when we need to get rid of a whole host of unwanted players that he bore a major part in bringing to the club on high wages and long deals makes my blood boil.
The man is teflon.......
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Post by questionable on Aug 23, 2019 6:12:21 GMT
It’s not as if he negotiates a good deal whilst he’s here, so sitting in Marbella what’s the worst he can do??
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 23, 2019 6:22:52 GMT
Ungrateful, the lot of ya
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Post by Milkie on Aug 24, 2019 16:18:49 GMT
Start with TS and go from there, I would be happier to see this fella leave than NJ
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 24, 2019 18:14:41 GMT
I genuinely struggle to come to terms with a football club CEO being away on holiday less than a month into the season. It really makes you think where his loyalty to the club (beyond his enormous pay packet) lay. The sooner this guy goes the better. I think Cartwright has been made the sacrificial lamb for the abject failure of the last three years or so, where it is clear that he is merely a contributor to a much bigger and higher up problem. Coates need to get off the pot and start making some tough but absolutely high level necessary decisions, starting with this guy. The problems at Stoke aren't solely on the pitch but run across the whole business and the man responsible for running the business is the CEO. He has to go. We need to put an end to this friendly family club label we have and get a big mean business go getter in to sort the place out. No prisoners.
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 24, 2019 18:18:57 GMT
I genuinely struggle to come to terms with a football club CEO being away on holiday less than a month into the season. It really makes you think where his loyalty to the club (beyond his enormous pay packet) lay. The sooner this guy goes the better. I think Cartwright has been made the sacrificial lamb for the abject failure of the last three years or so, where it is clear that he is merely a contributor to a much bigger and higher up problem. Coates need to get off the pot and start making some tough but absolutely high level necessary decisions, starting with this guy. The problems at Stoke aren't solely on the pitch but run across the whole business and the man responsible for running the business is the CEO. He has to go. We need to put an end to this friendly family club label we have and get a big mean business go getter in to sort the place out. No prisoners. When it was mentioned by Mike Pejic that Scholes is currently on holiday I thought it was a joke. How can the CEO be on holiday not only during the season but during part of the transfer window - it's absolutely fucking disgraceful.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 24, 2019 18:20:51 GMT
Have to say club needs to clarify this , if the bloke for example is Not well then whatever the circumstances it’s understandable . If not their is simply no excuse for the chief executive of a business not to be present on only of only 23 home games in 9 months with a international break coming up and the business in complete free fall and some serious leadership for which he is handsomely paid required .
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Post by unaduna on Aug 24, 2019 18:26:19 GMT
One Trick Tony needs to leave.
Will One Trick Tony leave? Pwobably not.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 24, 2019 18:33:07 GMT
I've come to the conclusion he should Go. Our club is ruined. Our club HAS been ruined! The chapter of Hoss & Scholes should be a lesson on how to waste millions & get away with it
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 24, 2019 18:41:22 GMT
The odious little turd needs to leave and now.
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Post by stuammo on Aug 24, 2019 19:07:54 GMT
The route cause of our current woes.
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Post by supacoopa101 on Aug 24, 2019 19:25:15 GMT
It must be clear to a lot of people the root cause of our current problems lie a lot deeper than the management and the players. 4 managers in 4 years and no sign of any real plan or identity to our play. You can't seriously tell me that that all falls down to management and players? The club has been ran extremely poorly both on and off the pitch leading to this horrendous decline. And above all our illustrious wheelin' dealin' CEO is on holiday. In the next couple of weeks some big decisions need to be made by the top brass. The club is going nowhere, we have no foundation, no strategy and no ambition. The first thing we need to do is stabilise and make it so we are hard to beat. NJ is an attacking manager so I don't believe he could do it. Whatever the current plan is now, it needs a huge 180.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 19:31:13 GMT
Scholes has been a problem for too long.
This is what you get when you put a glorified bean counter into the role of being able to negotiate transfer fees and wages. You get completely bummed like we did with Wimmer, or the shit transfer fees we get for players.
Why has this not been given to a proper footballing technical director who understands the modern game. Give it to a TD who can negotiate and get on with the transfer side and footballing side, and leave Scholes or the equivalent to manage overall club finances, stadium costs, season tickets etc... Make him be the bean counter he should only ever have been. He is just one of a few reasons that are in the middle of destroying the club.
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