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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2019 12:53:22 GMT
Has he gone? Arse, I missed his fucking leaving do.
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2019 13:02:06 GMT
I thought Cartwright is a bloke on a 6 figure income with his own suit who sits in an office on a computer.
Chapple is a bloke on a 5 figute income with his own anorak who stands on a wintry touchline with a notepad and a bic biro.
Not like for like.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 13:06:42 GMT
I thought this Chapple guy was on his way 3 weeks ago? He's not a replacement for Cartwright,will be doing a different job
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 19, 2019 13:13:43 GMT
Kind of sums up how much use he was
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 19, 2019 13:26:14 GMT
No need for a director of recruitment, or even similar, for quite a while I would think. If I was in any way in control of Stoke City FC I would impose a two year embargo on anything but emergency signings and insist that we make do with the three teams that we have already got. NO MORE SIGNINGS. At the moment we could take over the likes of Bolton and Port Vale and say don't worry, we'll bring our own team. Our squad has become too bloated, so we have to make do with what we've got until their contracts run out. That might mean our short-term target is survival or mid-table, but I don't see any other way out right now 'cos we can't just keep stacking up our squad with moochers. If anything, we need a Director of Recruitment to establish a network that can pick out a star for peanuts (à la Mahrez or Kante), so that we're enhancing the quality of our team without paying big fees or salaries. When we're finally shot of the bomb squad and their salaries, we can start spending again and hopefully build on the low-cost gems that a decent DoR will have already brought in.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 19, 2019 14:03:05 GMT
Just announced.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 19, 2019 14:07:14 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 19, 2019 14:07:50 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2019 14:11:17 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 19, 2019 14:43:04 GMT
.. and drop another Division? That would be a complete and utter disaster for this club... But right now the track record shows a team under a manager only going one place (and it isn't up)! Why do people insist on using inappropriate, over the top adjectives? While none of us want to see anything other than success for Stoke, how does relegation become "Complete and Utter Disaster"? Will the club cease to exist. Will it never be able to climb back? Of course not. I offer as proof that relegation is not the end of the world the following examples of clubs who have fallen to the third tier or beyond and come back firing on all cylinders: Wolves, Leicester, Sheffield United, Southampton, Norwich, Leeds, Forest among many more (ourselves included). While I realize that a 5 or 10 year stay outside of the Premier League represents an impossibly long time for someone who has only followed Stoke (not talking about anyone specific) since the Premier league promotion, it is the blink of an eye in the bigger footballing picture. Leeds?? You’re offering Leeds as an example of how relegation (and accompanying financial mismanagement) *wouldn’t* be so disastrous?
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 16:20:34 GMT
Why do people insist on using inappropriate, over the top adjectives? While none of us want to see anything other than success for Stoke, how does relegation become "Complete and Utter Disaster"? Will the club cease to exist. Will it never be able to climb back? Of course not. I offer as proof that relegation is not the end of the world the following examples of clubs who have fallen to the third tier or beyond and come back firing on all cylinders: Wolves, Leicester, Sheffield United, Southampton, Norwich, Leeds, Forest among many more (ourselves included). While I realize that a 5 or 10 year stay outside of the Premier League represents an impossibly long time for someone who has only followed Stoke (not talking about anyone specific) since the Premier league promotion, it is the blink of an eye in the bigger footballing picture. Leeds?? You’re offering Leeds as an example of how relegation (and accompanying financial mismanagement) *wouldn’t* be so disastrous? Well now, interesting you only pick one of those clubs to comment on. Financial Mis-management comes in several different flavours ... We can probably be classed as careless, naive, or such and then there is the stuff that should result in jail time with the key thrown away! But, to get back to the point of my post .... Did Leeds go out of business? Did they climb back? Would you swap our position, team, prospects for theirs RIGHT NOW? I think Leeds are an excellent example of the over the top reaction from fans. Of course I don't want Stoke to sink down the divisions and struggle with survival issues, but if w edo, it is not the end of the world. We've been there before and unfortunately will probably be there again! It's just the cyclical nature of the game. Do you think Blackburn fans thought they would ever be down in league One when they won the PL? I'd put money on Leicester being relegated in the next 10 years, and for Sunderland and Leeds to be back in the PL.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2019 16:33:59 GMT
Leeds?? You’re offering Leeds as an example of how relegation (and accompanying financial mismanagement) *wouldn’t* be so disastrous? Well now, interesting you only pick one of those clubs to comment on. Financial Mis-management comes in several different flavours ... We can probably be classed as careless, naive, or such and then there is the stuff that should result in jail time with the key thrown away! But, to get back to the point of my post .... Did Leeds go out of business? Did they climb back? Would you swap our position, team, prospects for theirs RIGHT NOW? I think Leeds are an excellent example of the over the top reaction from fans. Of course I don't want Stoke to sink down the divisions and struggle with survival issues, but if w edo, it is not the end of the world. We've been there before and unfortunately will probably be there again! It's just the cyclical nature of the game. Do you think Blackburn fans thought they would ever be down in league One when they won the PL? I'd put money on Leicester being relegated in the next 10 years, and for Sunderland and Leeds to be back in the PL. Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in the country and they have not only been out of the top flight for 15 years but spent much of that time as a laughing stock. Not sure being top of the league now (which is still, knowing them, no guarantee of anything) quite takes the taste of the last decade and a half away for them.
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Post by march4 on Sept 19, 2019 16:39:26 GMT
If he is going to be the manager’s eyes and ears then he should be appointed by the manager and leave when the manager leaves.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 19, 2019 16:42:38 GMT
I bet Leeds fans enjoyed all but the end of last season and are enjoying this season and couldn't now care less about the last ten years. Are you really saying you didn't enjoy being in the Premiership because of all the years we had spent outside it? Sometimes you enjoy things more because of how bad it has been prior to success.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2019 16:48:37 GMT
I bet Leeds fans enjoyed all but the end of last season and are enjoying this season and couldn't now care less about the last ten years. Are you really saying you didn't enjoy being in the Premiership because of all the years we had spent outside it? Sometimes you enjoy things more because of how bad it has been prior to success. I don't think anybody is saying that they're not enjoying it have they? Just because you're enjoying it doesn't mean you forget the dark days though. I'm sure Leeds haven't forgotten being bottom of League One with a points deduction and Tresor Kandol up front, just like most of us old enough will still shudder whenever they hear the name David Oldfield or recall getting regularly pumped during the latter half of the Brian Little season. Relegation in both cases was a disaster and we were fortunate things turned round for us. It wasn't a given in either scenario that they would. Ask Coventry. Ask Blackpool or Portsmouth, who are staring at better days but have flirted with some very, very bleak times indeed.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 19, 2019 16:48:56 GMT
Leeds?? You’re offering Leeds as an example of how relegation (and accompanying financial mismanagement) *wouldn’t* be so disastrous? Well now, interesting you only pick one of those clubs to comment on. Financial Mis-management comes in several different flavours ... We can probably be classed as careless, naive, or such and then there is the stuff that should result in jail time with the key thrown away! But, to get back to the point of my post .... Did Leeds go out of business? Did they climb back? Would you swap our position, team, prospects for theirs RIGHT NOW? I think Leeds are an excellent example of the over the top reaction from fans. Of course I don't want Stoke to sink down the divisions and struggle with survival issues, but if w edo, it is not the end of the world. We've been there before and unfortunately will probably be there again! It's just the cyclical nature of the game. Do you think Blackburn fans thought they would ever be down in league One when they won the PL? I'd put money on Leicester being relegated in the next 10 years, and for Sunderland and Leeds to be back in the PL. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve ever read. Leeds have been the go-to exemplar of a woeful, appalling, pitifully managed desperate shite club for the best part of two decades. But hey it’s not so bad if we go the same way because look at them now - they *might* get promoted from the second division, so maybe that will happen to us too in fifteen years time. Leeds ffs. Leeds! I certainly don’t think “disaster” is too strong a description if we follow in their footsteps.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 19, 2019 16:51:28 GMT
I am sure some people will see this appointment as meaning Jones's position is safe. I simply see it being taken on a game to game basis, many more defeats and he's history, Chapple appointments or not
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 19, 2019 17:11:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 17:29:41 GMT
I am sure some people will see this appointment as meaning Jones's position is safe. I simply see it being taken on a game to game basis, many more defeats and he's history, Chapple appointments or not Thank heavens you're not in charge!
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Post by stokeson on Sept 19, 2019 17:33:37 GMT
I am sure some people will see this appointment as meaning Jones's position is safe. I simply see it being taken on a game to game basis, many more defeats and he's history, Chapple appointments or not Thank heavens you're not in charge! And thank heavens its not you in charge.....
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Post by zerps on Sept 19, 2019 17:53:15 GMT
No thank heavens it’s not you in charge
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2019 18:05:56 GMT
Is that possibly a bit generous? Some good signings, but they’ve got a fair few expensive flops too?
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 19, 2019 18:33:55 GMT
Secret of his success? He actually watched the players he was targeting!
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 19, 2019 18:42:35 GMT
Extensive? 26 games minimum then?
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 19, 2019 18:57:51 GMT
What project is Cartwright going to put his weight behind next?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 19:32:29 GMT
Thank heavens you're not in charge! And thank heavens its not you in charge..... And you... The longer this goes the more we come to appreciate Nathan Jones' management
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 20:14:53 GMT
Well now, interesting you only pick one of those clubs to comment on. Financial Mis-management comes in several different flavours ... We can probably be classed as careless, naive, or such and then there is the stuff that should result in jail time with the key thrown away! But, to get back to the point of my post .... Did Leeds go out of business? Did they climb back? Would you swap our position, team, prospects for theirs RIGHT NOW? I think Leeds are an excellent example of the over the top reaction from fans. Of course I don't want Stoke to sink down the divisions and struggle with survival issues, but if w edo, it is not the end of the world. We've been there before and unfortunately will probably be there again! It's just the cyclical nature of the game. Do you think Blackburn fans thought they would ever be down in league One when they won the PL? I'd put money on Leicester being relegated in the next 10 years, and for Sunderland and Leeds to be back in the PL. Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in the country and they have not only been out of the top flight for 15 years but spent much of that time as a laughing stock. Not sure being top of the league now (which is still, knowing them, no guarantee of anything) quite takes the taste of the last decade and a half away for them. We were one of the well considered teams in the country, but then spent over 20 years in the wilderness. The point is not that they went down, but that they rose again, therefore, while unpleasant, our current predicament is not the end of the world.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2019 20:16:27 GMT
Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in the country and they have not only been out of the top flight for 15 years but spent much of that time as a laughing stock. Not sure being top of the league now (which is still, knowing them, no guarantee of anything) quite takes the taste of the last decade and a half away for them. We were one of the well considered teams in the country, but then spent over 20 years in the wilderness. The point is not that they went down, but that they rose again, therefore, while unpleasant, our current predicament is not the end of the world. You weren't talking about 'our current predicament' though, you were talking about relegation. There's no guarantee you'll 'rise back up again'.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 20:19:16 GMT
Well now, interesting you only pick one of those clubs to comment on. Financial Mis-management comes in several different flavours ... We can probably be classed as careless, naive, or such and then there is the stuff that should result in jail time with the key thrown away! But, to get back to the point of my post .... Did Leeds go out of business? Did they climb back? Would you swap our position, team, prospects for theirs RIGHT NOW? I think Leeds are an excellent example of the over the top reaction from fans. Of course I don't want Stoke to sink down the divisions and struggle with survival issues, but if w edo, it is not the end of the world. We've been there before and unfortunately will probably be there again! It's just the cyclical nature of the game. Do you think Blackburn fans thought they would ever be down in league One when they won the PL? I'd put money on Leicester being relegated in the next 10 years, and for Sunderland and Leeds to be back in the PL. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve ever read. Leeds have been the go-to exemplar of a woeful, appalling, pitifully managed desperate shite club for the best part of two decades. But hey it’s not so bad if we go the same way because look at them now - they *might* get promoted from the second division, so maybe that will happen to us too in fifteen years time. Leeds ffs. Leeds! I certainly don’t think “disaster” is too strong a description if we follow in their footsteps. What the hell is 15 years? Stoke have been around for 150 years. About half that time spent in lower divisions. It might be a disaster for instant success seekers, but most of us have been here for much worse than where we are at the moment. Of course, no one wants failure, but it's also not he end of the world doomsday scenario some on here are painting.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 20:21:23 GMT
We were one of the well considered teams in the country, but then spent over 20 years in the wilderness. The point is not that they went down, but that they rose again, therefore, while unpleasant, our current predicament is not the end of the world. You weren't talking about 'our current predicament' though, you were talking about relegation. There's no guarantee you'll 'rise back up again'. No guarantee that the world doesn't end tommorrow either, but I'd put money on both us coming back up and the world not ending tomorrow. No guarantees mind.
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