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Post by robrigo on Sept 10, 2019 22:49:23 GMT
Looks like the Jones reign is set to continue for a while longer yet. I hope to God they know what they’re doing. I’m not holding my breath on that one!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 4:12:36 GMT
Seems incredibly stupid (but not surprising) to appoint a chief scout just before starting to look for a new manager. The logical conclusion is, therefore, that we won't be looking for a new manager. Nor should we, in my opinion. 😁 Dilly dilly. People have actually convinced themselves & others that we are looking for a new manager solely through social media hysteria
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2019 5:57:57 GMT
The logical conclusion is, therefore, that we won't be looking for a new manager. Nor should we, in my opinion. 😁 Dilly dilly. People have actually convinced themselves & others that we are looking for a new manager solely through social media hysteria I believe Ranieri is available however can't see him taking the job.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 11, 2019 7:02:24 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 7:26:43 GMT
Carto wasn't a scout was he?
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2019 7:31:20 GMT
The absolute ignorance displayed on a daily basis on this board is astonishing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 11, 2019 7:34:44 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 7:38:29 GMT
😁 Dilly dilly. People have actually convinced themselves & others that we are looking for a new manager solely through social media hysteria I believe Ranieri is available however can't see him taking the job. I could live with ranieri but the job becomes less attractive every time we give a man a few months
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Post by Gods on Sept 11, 2019 7:39:40 GMT
Whatever it said on the packaging I believe his main role was to sort out the complex contracts of overseas players with multiple agents that no one else had a clue how to do.
Not sure we have a requirement for that any more since Nathan only signs no frills home grown players from English clubs.
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2019 7:43:02 GMT
Whatever it said on the packaging I believe his main role was to sort out the complex contracts of overseas players with multiple agents that no one else had a clue how to do. Not sure we have a requirement for that any more since Nathan only signs no frills home grown players from English clubs. Correct Actual scouting, not his job Actual transfer negotiations,Scholes job. The club needs a bone fide Director of Football who is both business savvy and a football person. To attract such a candidate the role needs creating - by taking Scholes out of negotiations - and needs to be paid good money.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 11, 2019 7:46:49 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 11, 2019 7:52:58 GMT
The logical conclusion is, therefore, that we won't be looking for a new manager. Nor should we, in my opinion. I honestly think you need to take another look at the statistics. Compare that with general performance and player ethics. The only way this situation could seem more damning is if we were to lose the next X amounts of games. So how long would you give him? Don't you think it is reasonable to weigh up or options and see who is available also? If hughton says he would take it and by some miracle he would still do it after we lose the next 3... Wouldn't it be reasonable? So yes, we should be looking for a new 'potential' manager. So far as I'm concerned, the appointment of Jones heralded the start of a long term project, to which his performance last season is of no relevance. With such a project, you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth in order to reap the rewards. You can't panic after six games and immediately regress to bringing back TP or one of the less good Pulis-lite managers. If the board really were weighing up whether or not to dismiss him, it would be absolutely farcical to leave things be over the international break and to then sack him after a bad result Saturday.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 11, 2019 8:09:56 GMT
I honestly think you need to take another look at the statistics. Compare that with general performance and player ethics. The only way this situation could seem more damning is if we were to lose the next X amounts of games. So how long would you give him? Don't you think it is reasonable to weigh up or options and see who is available also? If hughton says he would take it and by some miracle he would still do it after we lose the next 3... Wouldn't it be reasonable? So yes, we should be looking for a new 'potential' manager. So far as I'm concerned, the appointment of Jones heralded the start of a long term project, to which his performance last season is of no relevance. With such a project, you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth in order to reap the rewards. You can't panic after six games and immediately regress to bringing back TP or one of the less good Pulis-lite managers. If the board really were weighing up whether or not to dismiss him, it would be absolutely farcical to leave things be over the international break and to then sack him after a bad result Saturday. The first two paragraphs are beautifully put 👏 Finally, a bit of common sense.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 8:11:49 GMT
It doesn’t say that - it says he was at home matches, not that he scouted at them. And it also says he isn’t a direct replacement.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 8:13:02 GMT
It doesn’t say that - it says he was at home matches, not that he scouted at them. And it also says he isn’t a direct replacement. What if the smooth never arrives though? How long do you give him to deliver at least signs of a bit of smooth?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 11, 2019 9:53:19 GMT
My Current Role:
In my role as Technical Director at Stoke City, an average day will start with an informal chat with the manager, discuss how the players have performed, how they are training, the upcoming game for example, then plenty of phone calls from agents throughout the day. I will also have several chats with our CEO about the plans for the future and what is needed to be done now in order to get a head start for the next transfer window.
I will meet with my team of scouts to discuss various positions and targets and whilst they are out travelling every weekend and during the week watching games, I am more specific and only go to watch games where there are potential 1st team players to make decisions on. There is a lot of information gathering and due diligence to keep me nice and busy!
Basically the biggest part of my job is the identifying and then the buying and selling any of the players that come into Stoke City from age 12 through
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Post by RF10 on Sept 11, 2019 10:24:33 GMT
I know everything isn't exactly rosie at the moment but why do we have try and find fault with everything going on at the club.
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 11, 2019 12:00:03 GMT
I honestly think you need to take another look at the statistics. Compare that with general performance and player ethics. The only way this situation could seem more damning is if we were to lose the next X amounts of games. So how long would you give him? Don't you think it is reasonable to weigh up or options and see who is available also? If hughton says he would take it and by some miracle he would still do it after we lose the next 3... Wouldn't it be reasonable? So yes, we should be looking for a new 'potential' manager. So far as I'm concerned, the appointment of Jones heralded the start of a long term project, to which his performance last season is of no relevance. With such a project, you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth in order to reap the rewards. You can't panic after six games and immediately regress to bringing back TP or one of the less good Pulis-lite managers. If the board really were weighing up whether or not to dismiss him, it would be absolutely farcical to leave things be over the international break and to then sack him after a bad result Saturday. Fantastically put, I won't deny, I wobbled after Birmingham and questioned Jones' tenure. However taking a step back, the international break and looking at the bigger picture I'm happy to see us in for the long haul with him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 12:08:33 GMT
So far as I'm concerned, the appointment of Jones heralded the start of a long term project, to which his performance last season is of no relevance. With such a project, you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth in order to reap the rewards. You can't panic after six games and immediately regress to bringing back TP or one of the less good Pulis-lite managers. If the board really were weighing up whether or not to dismiss him, it would be absolutely farcical to leave things be over the international break and to then sack him after a bad result Saturday. Fantastically put, I won't deny, I wobbled after Birmingham and questioned Jones' tenure. However taking a step back, the international break and looking at the bigger picture I'm happy to see us in for the long haul with him. How long is 'the long haul'?
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 11, 2019 12:10:11 GMT
Fantastically put, I won't deny, I wobbled after Birmingham and questioned Jones' tenure. However taking a step back, the international break and looking at the bigger picture I'm happy to see us in for the long haul with him. How long is 'the long haul'? I would hope into the next few seasons at least. He will turn this around
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 11, 2019 12:13:02 GMT
How long is 'the long haul'? I would hope into the next few seasons at least. He will turn this around I want to believe that, but how long do you give him if we keep losing and he keeps panicking and chopping and changing his team and his system?
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Post by Gods on Sept 11, 2019 12:18:14 GMT
My Current Role: In my role as Technical Director at Stoke City, an average day will start with an informal chat with the manager, discuss how the players have performed, how they are training, the upcoming game for example, then plenty of phone calls from agents throughout the day. I will also have several chats with our CEO about the plans for the future and what is needed to be done now in order to get a head start for the next transfer window. I will meet with my team of scouts to discuss various positions and targets and whilst they are out travelling every weekend and during the week watching games, I am more specific and only go to watch games where there are potential 1st team players to make decisions on. There is a lot of information gathering and due diligence to keep me nice and busy! Basically the biggest part of my job is the identifying and then the buying and selling any of the players that come into Stoke City from age 12 through That's been recycled once every 3 months on here for the last 3 years, he was visiting a school or something and wanting to sound like he is a sleeves up sort of guy close to the action not sitting in front of a telephone and a computer screen sorting out the legal and financial side of some immensely complex contracts! All IMHO of course.
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 11, 2019 12:20:03 GMT
I would hope into the next few seasons at least. He will turn this around I want to believe that, but how long do you give him if we keep losing and he keeps panicking and chopping and changing his team and his system? We re-evaluate at the next International break, take stock of performances, dressing room, supporter position and also Jones' position on it.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 11, 2019 12:21:57 GMT
So far as I'm concerned, the appointment of Jones heralded the start of a long term project, to which his performance last season is of no relevance. With such a project, you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth in order to reap the rewards. You can't panic after six games and immediately regress to bringing back TP or one of the less good Pulis-lite managers. If the board really were weighing up whether or not to dismiss him, it would be absolutely farcical to leave things be over the international break and to then sack him after a bad result Saturday. Fantastically put, I won't deny, I wobbled after Birmingham and questioned Jones' tenure. However taking a step back, the international break and looking at the bigger picture I'm happy to see us in for the long haul with him. All very nice in the ideal world, but in the fast results paced football business "the long haul" does not exist, especially one of SCFC's expectations. NJ needs to start winning games pretty shortly, otherwise I can see the owners having no other decision than to sack him, long haul or otherwise.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2019 12:34:37 GMT
My Current Role: In my role as Technical Director at Stoke City, an average day will start with an informal chat with the manager, discuss how the players have performed, how they are training, the upcoming game for example, then plenty of phone calls from agents throughout the day. I will also have several chats with our CEO about the plans for the future and what is needed to be done now in order to get a head start for the next transfer window. I will meet with my team of scouts to discuss various positions and targets and whilst they are out travelling every weekend and during the week watching games, I am more specific and only go to watch games where there are potential 1st team players to make decisions on. There is a lot of information gathering and due diligence to keep me nice and busy! Basically the biggest part of my job is the identifying and then the buying and selling any of the players that come into Stoke City from age 12 through This was the latest attempt to justify Cartwright's disastrous tenure www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-cartwright-1569418. They basically made up what he did and didn't do as they went along.
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Post by s8to on Sept 11, 2019 12:39:04 GMT
So far as I'm concerned, the appointment of Jones heralded the start of a long term project, to which his performance last season is of no relevance. With such a project, you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth in order to reap the rewards. You can't panic after six games and immediately regress to bringing back TP or one of the less good Pulis-lite managers. If the board really were weighing up whether or not to dismiss him, it would be absolutely farcical to leave things be over the international break and to then sack him after a bad result Saturday. Fantastically put, I won't deny, I wobbled after Birmingham and questioned Jones' tenure. However taking a step back, the international break and looking at the bigger picture I'm happy to see us in for the long haul with him. .. and drop another Division? That would be a complete and utter disaster for this club... But right now the track record shows a team under a manager only going one place (and it isn't up)!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 11, 2019 12:57:56 GMT
My Current Role: In my role as Technical Director at Stoke City, an average day will start with an informal chat with the manager, discuss how the players have performed, how they are training, the upcoming game for example, then plenty of phone calls from agents throughout the day. I will also have several chats with our CEO about the plans for the future and what is needed to be done now in order to get a head start for the next transfer window. I will meet with my team of scouts to discuss various positions and targets and whilst they are out travelling every weekend and during the week watching games, I am more specific and only go to watch games where there are potential 1st team players to make decisions on. There is a lot of information gathering and due diligence to keep me nice and busy! Basically the biggest part of my job is the identifying and then the buying and selling any of the players that come into Stoke City from age 12 through That's been recycled once every 3 months on here for the last 3 years, he was visiting a school or something and wanting to sound like he is a sleeves up sort of guy close to the action not sitting in front of a telephone and a computer screen sorting out the legal and financial side of some immensely complex contracts! All IMHO of course. I know exactly the source. If he wished to describe his role or part of his role as such he’s either a liar or he’s telling the truth albeit in simple terms.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 11, 2019 13:03:38 GMT
The absolute ignorance displayed on a daily basis on this board is astonishing. I'm astonished that you're astonished as my own knowledge on footballing matters is astonishingly poor
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 11, 2019 13:08:07 GMT
I am all for improving our scouting if that is the plan with this appointment. Lord knows our recruitment from scouting to signing players has not been fit for purpose ever. The concern for me is that it is a Jones recommendation and based on Jones summer recruitment I suggest Jones strategy so far has been to simply take a look at the players released lists and go down the list with a pin. Or in the case of the woeful Cousins recruit a player you worked with 4/5 years ago. We have mega rich owners who could afford to hire the best if only we could be arsed to look. Instead we once again go for a lazy option and back the manager's recommendation. Is Chapple the best we could hire? According to Houghton Brighton recruited poorly and this guy appears to have been a European Scout for the last 3 years. Bizarre that Jones doesn't recruit foreign only British yet he wants a scout who presumably has had his eyes turned towards Europe not UK for the last 3 years....smart move SCFC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 13:09:51 GMT
My Current Role: In my role as Technical Director at Stoke City, an average day will start with an informal chat with the manager, discuss how the players have performed, how they are training, the upcoming game for example, then plenty of phone calls from agents throughout the day. I will also have several chats with our CEO about the plans for the future and what is needed to be done now in order to get a head start for the next transfer window. I will meet with my team of scouts to discuss various positions and targets and whilst they are out travelling every weekend and during the week watching games, I am more specific and only go to watch games where there are potential 1st team players to make decisions on. There is a lot of information gathering and due diligence to keep me nice and busy! Basically the biggest part of my job is the identifying and then the buying and selling any of the players that come into Stoke City from age 12 through This was the latest attempt to justify Cartwright's disastrous tenure www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-cartwright-1569418. They basically made up what he did and didn't do as they went along. "His role is also to constantly update his database of players so that a certain amount of background information, albeit largely statistical, is to hand if a player appears on Stoke’s radar" Must have been running a PC with the blue screen of death for the last 5 years then...
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