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Post by thevoid on Aug 21, 2019 8:25:17 GMT
We'd do better bringing in a head of disposal rather than a head of recruitment Tony Soprano?
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 21, 2019 18:02:27 GMT
I don't really understand why supporters get suckered by this 'techincal director' and 'head coach' stuff, just because it's new and a bit 'moneyball'. I appreciate that the days of a manager digging into his contacts book and signing a load of players from Portsmouth and Sunderland reserves are now long gone and that we're in a global game, but that just means that you have to have a robust scouting system. The idea that the technical director has to be responsible for the club's whole playing philosophy and transfers just means that they're doing the bulk of the manager's job, but with considerably less scrutiny and oversight. Meanwhile, the manager himself (or 'head coach') is little more than an assistant manager with a very short lifespan. His job is pretty much limited to putting the cones out at training. I suppose it's partly the fault of the media and supporters, really. Were it not for the fact that we now demand a manager's head after three bad results and deify managers who practically guarantee one season of short term success with no long term prospects - see Ancelotti and Mourinho for examples of this. If managers were given a proper tenure based on long term prospects then there would be no need for technical directors. Nobody is getting suckered by anyone or anything. Supporters have always been short fused, even in the days of Harry Redknapps encyclopaedic knowledge of the Rothmans. What changed was top level football and the prize money, and with it a demand to get as many transfers right as possible at all levels of the business, and an acceptance at boardroom level at least, that it was and is too big for the manager in this day and age to cover all by himself. What followed, as a natural adaptation of that system, was a boardroom level philosophy linked to a Technical Director with a head coach recruited based on that philosophy. That is exactly what happened at Huddersfield and Norwich, all linked to budget and a need to get quality for very little to bridge the gap. The manager was recruited to suit that requirement and players bought in that suited both. At the top level it's even more complex than that. I know what you're saying, but for me that top-down vision should come from the manager - something that requires a commitment beyond 12 months at a time. Otherwise, what does your manager actually do? Put the cones out at training Pick the team* Motivate the players Discuss targets** *so long as he picks the players provided by the technical director **so long as they fit in with the technical director's philosophy
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 26, 2019 20:40:34 GMT
I don't think you are going to like modern football. It isn't how things are done at top clubs now. The Technical Director is sacrosanct to the owners and their overall philosophy, and the head coach is picked to suit. The Technical Director remains in place and if the head coach underperforms he is replaced with an identikit replacement that matches the philosophy. This man isn't a technical director, he's "head of recruitment" it says - basically chief scout. What is actually the difference between a Technical Director, Sporting Director and Head of Recruitment? From my understanding, a Technical Director implements a philosophy that 1st team managers have to follow. But NJ has his own philosophy (i.e. the diamond), so any Technical Director needs to be on board with that in order for the relationship to be a marriage in heaven, otherwise players will be brought in that don't fit the manager's system and car crash results on the pitch will ensue. Thinking about NJ's success at Luton, his arrival there coincided with the appointment of Mick Harford as their Chief Recruitment Officer. His job was to overhaul the scouting network and identify players that suited NJ's philosophy. Something that clearly worked very well, and Harford still occupies the same role today. My concern is that it's not exactly clear what this Chapple bloke does at Brighton. He is not their Head of Recruitment (that's Mark Winstanley), As someone posted earlier in the thread, it's implied he is Brighton's European Scout, but there is no mention of him at all on Brighton's official website. Going from a European Scout to Head of Recruitment is quite a jump, but maybe NJ trusts him and that counts for a lot. Either way, I hope Chapple understands the requirements of the diamond inside out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 20:46:01 GMT
This man isn't a technical director, he's "head of recruitment" it says - basically chief scout. What is actually the difference between a Technical Director, Sporting Director and Head of Recruitment? From my understanding, a Technical Director implements a philosophy that 1st team managers have to follow. But NJ has his own philosophy (i.e. the diamond), so any Technical Director needs to be on board with that in order for the relationship to be a marriage in heaven, otherwise players will be brought in that don't fit the manager's system and car crash results on the pitch will ensue. Thinking about NJ's success at Luton, his arrival there coincided with the appointment of Mick Harford as their Chief Recruitment Officer. His job was to overhaul the scouting network and identify players that suited NJ's philosophy. Something that clearly worked very well, and Harford still occupies the same role today. My concern is that it's not exactly clear what this Chapple bloke does at Brighton. He is not their Head of Recruitment (that's Mark Winstanley), As someone posted earlier in the thread, it's implied he is Brighton's European Scout, but there is no mention of him at all on Brighton's official website. Going from a European Scout to Head of Recruitment is quite a jump, but maybe NJ trusts him and that counts for a lot. Either way, I hope Chapple understands the requirements of the diamond inside out. I imagine the difference is what you said. I don’t think it’s the best idea to bring a friend of NJs in now. People saying about Hughton didn’t rate him at Brighton. For me putting all your eggs in a diamond shaped basket is completely and utterly mental. Our club is just run on a jobs for mates basis it seems. Bringing in someone’s mate when they’ve won 3 games in however many it is now and there’s no evidence his sacrosanct system will even work in this league is crackers.
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Post by northernstokie on Aug 26, 2019 21:50:47 GMT
The system has worked in the prem as I think spurs have played the diamond before. I know that they have more money n better players but the point stands
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 21:55:10 GMT
The system has worked in the prem as I think spurs have played the diamond before. I know that they have more money n better players but the point stands The point is they have more money and better players. They don’t do it all the time and can adapt. We can’t. Go up with our squad and try to play it would be a joke.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 26, 2019 22:22:48 GMT
The system has worked in the prem as I think spurs have played the diamond before. I know that they have more money n better players but the point stands The point is they have more money and better players. They don’t do it all the time and can adapt. We can’t. Go up with our squad and try to play it would be a joke. I was aware of this, so did a little research into Spurs' deployment of the diamond last season. They used it 18 times across all competitions - W7, D2, L9. I don't doubt that it's an incredibly effective system, but probably the hardest of all to master. So if a superior Premier League side like Spurs are inconsistent with it, what hope have we got?!
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Post by ange1 on Aug 26, 2019 22:40:30 GMT
Think he will be Cruikshank’s replacement
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Post by Gods on Aug 26, 2019 22:48:15 GMT
Think he will be Cruikshank’s replacement That would make sense.
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Post by northernstokie on Aug 27, 2019 8:15:23 GMT
The point is they have more money and better players. They don’t do it all the time and can adapt. We can’t. Go up with our squad and try to play it would be a joke. I was aware of this, so did a little research into Spurs' deployment of the diamond last season. They used it 18 times across all competitions - W7, D2, L9. I don't doubt that it's an incredibly effective system, but probably the hardest of all to master. So if a superior Premier League side like Spurs are inconsistent with it, what hope have we got?! I didn't think spurs record was that bad with it tbh
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 27, 2019 11:46:45 GMT
I was aware of this, so did a little research into Spurs' deployment of the diamond last season. They used it 18 times across all competitions - W7, D2, L9. I don't doubt that it's an incredibly effective system, but probably the hardest of all to master. So if a superior Premier League side like Spurs are inconsistent with it, what hope have we got?! I didn't think spurs record was that bad with it tbh There were games where it worked for them really well - the 3-0 away win vs. Man Utd and the 1st leg of their League Cup semi vs. Chelsea. Other times, it was horrendous in losses to Southampton and West Ham. But Poch often played Eriksen on the left of the diamond and Alli at the tip, whereas I'd have swapped them round.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2019 19:09:50 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 10, 2019 19:26:41 GMT
Still on his way? Is he walking from Brighton?
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Post by adamsson on Sept 10, 2019 19:29:25 GMT
Seems incredibly stupid (but not surprising) to appoint a chief scout just before starting to look for a new manager.
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Post by Gods on Sept 10, 2019 19:31:56 GMT
Man you've never heard of takes on job you didn't know existed :-)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2019 19:34:09 GMT
I wonder if he will be "still on his way" if we get tonked on Saturday?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 10, 2019 19:44:48 GMT
Seems incredibly stupid (but not surprising) to appoint a chief scout just before starting to look for a new manager. It is incredibly stupid but then again we do have clowns running the Circus.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2019 19:55:02 GMT
I'm starting to think that not sacking him after the Birmingham debacle has most likely brought him four or five games whatever.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 10, 2019 19:56:12 GMT
This is Kevin Cruickshanks replacement not Cartwrights.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 10, 2019 20:19:13 GMT
This is Kevin Cruickshanks replacement not Cartwrights. We are probably still trying to convince hughton...😂😂😂 Pmsl
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 10, 2019 20:22:14 GMT
Would be a strange one given the precarious position we are in. If Chapple comes in, results don't pick up & Jones departs, where does that leave Chapple with a new manager?
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 10, 2019 20:25:15 GMT
Would be a strange one given the precarious position we are in. If Chapple comes in, results don't pick up & Jones departs, where does that leave Chapple with a new manager? Head scout, basically does fuck all.... Director of football -left vacant. Bizarre really. Cheapy cheapy again? I don't understand it, not with our deep rooted finances. The individuals at the club could be leading experts in their fields... Who wouldn't want to basically work with bet365 and a massive pay packet
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 20:42:02 GMT
Right so they've said we are going to have a scout that actually goes to watch players as opposed to someone that relies on an unlinked "network" to tell us about players... fantastic... perhaps they could have come up with this brain wave before. And you wonder why we're such a shit show.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 10, 2019 20:52:21 GMT
Still on his way? Is he walking from Brighton? He's on his way from happiness to misery, today, aha aha aha.......
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Post by Godo on Sept 10, 2019 21:03:55 GMT
The system has worked in the prem as I think spurs have played the diamond before. I know that they have more money n better players but the point stands The point is they have more money and better players. They don’t do it all the time and can adapt. We can’t. Go up with our squad and try to play it would be a joke. When have Tottenham played a diamond with 2 up front?? They can play that shape because of the pace and quality of their full backs, the presence of a proper holding DM, mobile inside fowards and creativity. Our diamond remains rigid, provides no width, we don't pass and move and we leave holes all over the place. Despite the extra 9 or so players Jones has brought in we still seem to have the same gaps in quality, pace and no left back that we suffered from last season!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 21:09:29 GMT
The point is they have more money and better players. They don’t do it all the time and can adapt. We can’t. Go up with our squad and try to play it would be a joke. When have Tottenham played a diamond with 2 up front?? They can play that shape because of the pace and quality of their full backs, the presence of a proper holding DM, mobile inside fowards and creativity. Our diamond remains rigid, provides no width, we don't pass and move and we leave holes all over the place. Despite the extra 9 or so players Jones has brought in we still seem to have the same gaps in quality, pace and no left back that we suffered from last season!! Yep and some people think even if we did go up a diamond is going to work...ridiculous. The whole thing is pointless and stupid.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 10, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
Seems incredibly stupid (but not surprising) to appoint a chief scout just before starting to look for a new manager. The logical conclusion is, therefore, that we won't be looking for a new manager. Nor should we, in my opinion.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 10, 2019 21:57:39 GMT
Seems incredibly stupid (but not surprising) to appoint a chief scout just before starting to look for a new manager. The logical conclusion is, therefore, that we won't be looking for a new manager. Nor should we, in my opinion. I honestly think you need to take another look at the statistics. Compare that with general performance and player ethics. The only way this situation could seem more damning is if we were to lose the next X amounts of games. So how long would you give him? Don't you think it is reasonable to weigh up or options and see who is available also? If hughton says he would take it and by some miracle he would still do it after we lose the next 3... Wouldn't it be reasonable? So yes, we should be looking for a new 'potential' manager.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 10, 2019 22:09:43 GMT
We'd do better bringing in a head of disposal rather than a head of recruitment Tony Soprano? Baddaboom, baddabing motherf**king mook
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Post by callas12 on Sept 10, 2019 22:20:08 GMT
A new chief scout wont realistically have any direct influence on our club until at least January 1st when his scouting missions may result in potential new signings incoming.. By then our season could be all but over!
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