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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 11:09:46 GMT
Outlawed you say pal? 🤔 I don't know who the " pal" is. On the Orange order I agree with Voidy's post earlier on. If we are still in the analysing previous posts mode, Im not sure I said " outlawed" pal....perhaps you could quote it back to me. What yous don't seem to or want to grasp...perhaps my fault...I was talking about direct , in your face calling the Police " terrorists"( or something similar, I can't recall now)...the same lady I believe called a black fellow ( "fella" to you) " coon" in a very intimidatory manner. I think that's wrong. I also think it's wrong if a white person does it. Anyway, as I say , I'm not sure this crusade is doing you much good, pal, mate, fella
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 11:21:54 GMT
Outlawed you say pal? 🤔 Hey up, Cheech and Chong are both here now 👥 Last time I saw a strawman that big Christopher Lee was next to it 😂 For the final time, 'pal': I don't agree with the Orange Parades for the reasons I've already stated but it is a UNIQUE REGIONAL ISSUE and part of the 'marching season' culture of Northern Ireland, due to it's unusual political situation. Here's a link to the 1936 UK law prohibiting political uniforms (which only includes England, Wales and Scotland by the way. The Act does not extend to Northern Ireland): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Act_1936Here's some Republicans marching in Northern Ireland- and then we'll wrap this ridiculousness up by agreeing that you're using false equivalence 😊
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 12:12:24 GMT
Outlawed you say pal? 🤔 I don't know who the " pal" is. On the Orange order I agree with Voidy's post earlier on. If we are still in the analysing previous posts mode, Im not sure I said " outlawed" pal....perhaps you could quote it back to me. What yous don't seem to or want to grasp...perhaps my fault...I was talking about direct , in your face calling the Police " terrorists"( or something similar, I can't recall now)...the same lady I believe called a black fellow ( "fella" to you) " coon" in a very intimidatory manner. I think that's wrong. I also think it's wrong if a white person does it. Anyway, as I say , I'm not sure this crusade is doing you much good, pal, mate, fella As previously pointed out at length, direct in your face abuse of the police is not something that black people get away with and white people don't though. The statue defenders hurling abuse (and projectiles) at police, who simply stood and took it, being a recent example. I entirely agree it's wrong either way, but there's not some sort of institutionalised conspiracy to give black people special privileges in this regard, as you implied.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 12:15:56 GMT
You wrote it on this thread and I quoted it back to you earlier this morning. Vokes, I don't think this going anywhere and I don't think it's doing you any good. Apologies if my earlier post, that you have quoted back to me , has been misunderstood, ( whether you agree with that , I'm not particularly bothered), not clear, whatever. I don't think anyone can give their full beliefs on a messageboard/ in a post. You give me the impression that you have acquired a " badge of honour " in finding a perceived fault in my argument. Irrespective of my previous, surely then , we agree that abuse of people is wrong. I would also say that peaceful protest is important, where the line is drawn is difficult. My own personal character/ history isn't that important. I think Ive said before, If you live fairly local, I would not mind meeting to discuss race/ culture I find it interesting. I do think that you need to let a few things go and to move on....I honestly don't think it's healthy. Have a good day. I don't have a badge of honour at all I just don't think it's helpful to post inflammatory and untrue stuff about black people being allowed to get away with stuff that white people aren't, that's all.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 12:50:35 GMT
Vokes, I don't think this going anywhere and I don't think it's doing you any good. Apologies if my earlier post, that you have quoted back to me , has been misunderstood, ( whether you agree with that , I'm not particularly bothered), not clear, whatever. I don't think anyone can give their full beliefs on a messageboard/ in a post. You give me the impression that you have acquired a " badge of honour " in finding a perceived fault in my argument. Irrespective of my previous, surely then , we agree that abuse of people is wrong. I would also say that peaceful protest is important, where the line is drawn is difficult. My own personal character/ history isn't that important. I think Ive said before, If you live fairly local, I would not mind meeting to discuss race/ culture I find it interesting. I do think that you need to let a few things go and to move on....I honestly don't think it's healthy. Have a good day. I don't have a badge of honour at all I just don't think it's helpful to post inflammatory and untrue stuff about black people being allowed to get away with stuff that white people aren't, that's all. I agree with your second bit.....no one should post inflammatory stuff. Also no one should try to intimidate and undermine the Police.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 13:33:15 GMT
You wrote it on this thread and I quoted it back to you earlier this morning. Vokes, I don't think this going anywhere and I don't think it's doing you any good. Apologies if my earlier post, that you have quoted back to me , has been misunderstood, ( whether you agree with that , I'm not particularly bothered), not clear, whatever. I don't think anyone can give their full beliefs on a messageboard/ in a post. You give me the impression that you have acquired a " badge of honour " in finding a perceived fault in my argument. Irrespective of my previous, surely then , we agree that abuse of people is wrong. I would also say that peaceful protest is important, where the line is drawn is difficult. My own personal character/ history isn't that important. I think Ive said before, If you live fairly local, I would not mind meeting to discuss race/ culture I find it interesting. I do think that you need to let a few things go and to move on....I honestly don't think it's healthy. Have a good day. I asked 'Deano' to pop into the Bull & Bush and meet us for a pint after the game once (no skin off my nose, it's our first port of call post match anyway), and despite initially appearing eager, on the day he suddenly had a train to catch. I can't say I was surprised, but he can rest assured that I wasn't leading him into an ambush or anything, I just wanted to put a face to the name(s) 😎
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2020 5:46:30 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 7, 2020 6:12:16 GMT
The language farage has used over the years has not always been helpful to social cohesion And often has sailed very close to the wind But without doubt they be been effective On this subject should genuine asylum seekers be intitled to come to this country of course they should Should large amounts of economic migrants be intitled to enter the UK than the answer is no And should the French do more to stop them of course they should will they of course not turning a blind eye gets rid of what they consider a problem The solution we need a agreement where stringent compassionate screening is done in France and those with a legitimate right to enter are speedily dealt with
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 7, 2020 6:19:01 GMT
I think the biggest problem is you can’t trust anyone’s account anymore whether it’s the press, either of the 2 main political parties or Farage everyone has a spin to suit there own agenda. I guess the truth is very well hidden amongst it all.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 7, 2020 6:19:57 GMT
The language farage has used over the years has not always been helpful to social cohesion And often has sailed very close to the wind But without doubt they be been effective On this subject should genuine asylum seekers be intitled to come to this country of course they should Should large amounts of economic migrants be intitled to enter the UK than the answer is no And should the French do more to stop them of course they should will they of course not turning a blind eye gets rid of what they consider a problem The solution we need a agreement where stringent compassionate screening is done in France and those with a legitimate right to enter are speedily dealt with Excellent post well said.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2020 11:30:29 GMT
For someone opposed to people whipping up hate, you seem pretty relaxed about people doing that exact thing in our capital last weekend.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 7, 2020 11:55:07 GMT
The language farage has used over the years has not always been helpful to social cohesion And often has sailed very close to the wind But without doubt they be been effective On this subject should genuine asylum seekers be intitled to come to this country of course they should Should large amounts of economic migrants be intitled to enter the UK than the answer is no And should the French do more to stop them of course they should will they of course not turning a blind eye gets rid of what they consider a problem The solution we need a agreement where stringent compassionate screening is done in France and those with a legitimate right to enter are speedily dealt with I agree with much of this post but I'm not sure why France should do our border screening for us. If people are trying to travel here, it's our problem, not theirs. If it were the other way round, I doubt you'd be in favour of doing France's border force work for them.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 7, 2020 12:03:34 GMT
The language farage has used over the years has not always been helpful to social cohesion And often has sailed very close to the wind But without doubt they be been effective On this subject should genuine asylum seekers be intitled to come to this country of course they should Should large amounts of economic migrants be intitled to enter the UK than the answer is no And should the French do more to stop them of course they should will they of course not turning a blind eye gets rid of what they consider a problem The solution we need a agreement where stringent compassionate screening is done in France and those with a legitimate right to enter are speedily dealt with I agree with much of this post but I'm not sure why France should do our border screening for us. If people are trying to travel here, it's our problem, not theirs. If it were the other way round, I doubt you'd be in favour of doing France's border force work for them. Well in theory they should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter and all tbough I don't wish to live in France I would consider it safe
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 7, 2020 12:11:45 GMT
I agree with much of this post but I'm not sure why France should do our border screening for us. If people are trying to travel here, it's our problem, not theirs. If it were the other way round, I doubt you'd be in favour of doing France's border force work for them. Well in theory they should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter and all tbough I don't wish to live in France I would consider it safe "Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive." www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 7, 2020 12:17:32 GMT
Well in theory they should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter and all tbough I don't wish to live in France I would consider it safe "Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive." www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugeesWell we should insist that France abides by the Dublin regulation The French seem to like eu regulations
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 7, 2020 12:42:16 GMT
"Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive." www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugeesWell we should insist that France abides by the Dublin regulation The French seem to like eu regulations Couple of issues with this. Firstly, we voted to leave the EU so we no longer have much of a say on EU regulations, how they're interpreted, or how they're applied to member states. Secondly, very few of the refugees in France actually landed in France first. Your issue seems to be with Greece, Spain, Italy etc, where the bulk of refugees first land in the EU. France may have recourse through the Dublin Regulation to move people back to those places if that's where they first landed. However if those refugees are only travelling through the EU (en route here) then why would anyone stand in their way? I wouldn't expect the UK to stand in the way if the roles were reversed 🤷♂️
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 8, 2020 9:36:31 GMT
Anyone hear that dog whistle?
Patel is basically just a Katie Hopkins tribute act
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 8, 2020 11:35:44 GMT
Anyone hear that dog whistle? Patel is basically just a Katie Hopkins tribute act What would you do about illegal immigrants entering this country illegally ? should we be obliged to put them up in four star hotels with full board, free healthcare and free £39 a week spending money, none of these things are free the taxpayer foots the bill for these illegal freeloaders.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2020 11:42:09 GMT
Anyone hear that dog whistle? Patel is basically just a Katie Hopkins tribute act Priti, Boris, Rishi.... Starmer... It's sad how many respond to this blatant dog whistle stuff!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 8, 2020 14:59:16 GMT
Black Shirts military training and paramilitary uniforms is this the far right at work ?
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 8, 2020 16:08:09 GMT
Black Shirts military training and paramilitary uniforms is this the far right at work ? View Attachment Sheik moan moan likes this
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 8, 2020 16:14:04 GMT
And still it comes. On a thread about the proven rise in far right activity, the usual suspects want to play their 'yeah, but what about black people' card
Amusingly predictable but fully reflective of the tawdry individuals involved.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 8, 2020 16:49:38 GMT
And still it comes. On a thread about the proven rise in far right activity, the usual suspects want to play their 'yeah, but what about black people' card Amusingly predictable but fully reflective of the tawdry individuals involved. Why are you making it about the colour of their skin Mo. ? black shirts paramilitary uniforms, marching on the streets what next burning books, ripping down monuments, they look like Nazi's to me who I believe despite being a socialist party were actually far right.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 8, 2020 17:32:55 GMT
The language farage has used over the years has not always been helpful to social cohesion And often has sailed very close to the wind But without doubt they be been effective On this subject should genuine asylum seekers be intitled to come to this country of course they should Should large amounts of economic migrants be intitled to enter the UK than the answer is no And should the French do more to stop them of course they should will they of course not turning a blind eye gets rid of what they consider a problem The solution we need a agreement where stringent compassionate screening is done in France and those with a legitimate right to enter are speedily dealt with You moved out of your place of birth didn't you? Are you an economic migrant? Or what type would you describe yourself as? I know loads of people who looked around and thought there's nothing for me here and jumped ship
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 8, 2020 18:23:54 GMT
The language farage has used over the years has not always been helpful to social cohesion And often has sailed very close to the wind But without doubt they be been effective On this subject should genuine asylum seekers be intitled to come to this country of course they should Should large amounts of economic migrants be intitled to enter the UK than the answer is no And should the French do more to stop them of course they should will they of course not turning a blind eye gets rid of what they consider a problem The solution we need a agreement where stringent compassionate screening is done in France and those with a legitimate right to enter are speedily dealt with You moved out of your place of birth didn't you? Are you an economic migrant? Or what type would you describe yourself as? I know loads of people who looked around and thought there's nothing for me here and jumped ship There’s a big difference.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 8, 2020 18:46:38 GMT
You moved out of your place of birth didn't you? Are you an economic migrant? Or what type would you describe yourself as? I know loads of people who looked around and thought there's nothing for me here and jumped ship There’s a big difference. He knows🙄 he’s just trying to start a session of classic “whataboutery”.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 8, 2020 19:17:38 GMT
And still it comes. On a thread about the proven rise in far right activity, the usual suspects want to play their 'yeah, but what about black people' card Amusingly predictable but fully reflective of the tawdry individuals involved. Whataboutery only applies if it's being claimed against "the left" - come on mate, do keep up
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Post by thevoid on Aug 8, 2020 20:29:04 GMT
And still it comes. On a thread about the proven rise in far right activity, the usual suspects want to play their 'yeah, but what about black people' card Amusingly predictable but fully reflective of the tawdry individuals involved. Whataboutery only applies if it's being claimed against "the left" - come on mate, do keep up No comments on Momo's outbursts and refusal to discuss things in a reasonable manner though, saying as you're supposedly against 'cheap shots' on The Oatcake? Most of Momo's output is abuse of people with a different viewpoint, but I guess that's ok as you agree with him.... I'll chance my arm with you- do you think last weekend's posturing in Brixton was acceptable? I've already asked Momo but it's the wrong thread apparently. And the only reason it cropped up on this thread is because the other ones were locked due to abuse by him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 8, 2020 20:36:27 GMT
Whataboutery only applies if it's being claimed against "the left" - come on mate, do keep up No comments on Momo's outbursts and refusal to discuss things in a reasonable manner though, saying as you're supposedly against 'cheap shots' on The Oatcake? Most of Momo's output is abuse of people with a different viewpoint, but I guess that's ok as you agree with him.... I'll chance my arm with you- do you think last weekend's posturing in Brixton was acceptable? I've already asked Momo but it's the wrong thread apparently. And the only reason it cropped up on this thread is because the other ones were locked due to abuse by him. You've become a lack of self awareness fanny now than have you 🤣
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Post by thevoid on Aug 8, 2020 20:58:38 GMT
No comments on Momo's outbursts and refusal to discuss things in a reasonable manner though, saying as you're supposedly against 'cheap shots' on The Oatcake? Most of Momo's output is abuse of people with a different viewpoint, but I guess that's ok as you agree with him.... I'll chance my arm with you- do you think last weekend's posturing in Brixton was acceptable? I've already asked Momo but it's the wrong thread apparently. And the only reason it cropped up on this thread is because the other ones were locked due to abuse by him. You've become a lack of self awareness fanny now than have you 🤣 Just bore off. You used to be a decent poster who, despite us rarely agreeing on politics, had a few interesting things to say on other things. Now you're just full of bile.
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