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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 11:13:06 GMT
That's horrific and I hope they throw away the key for the scum responsible for it. And they get a beating every day behind bars. Now that I've responded with my thoughts on that, do you think that people marching through our capital in quasi-paramilitary uniforms (which was made illegal in 1936) 'having a go' (to use your words) at police (some of whom would've been of colour presumably) and using incendiary language such as 'terrorist' is acceptable? No one's 'having a go' at black people on this thread, they're condemning divisive shit like this. I've repeatedly said I have no issue with broadcasters endorsing Kick It Out etc rather than these bigots. Yet all I've seen from the usual suspects (well, suspect) is whataboutery regarding the EDL, football fans and, rather randomly, Orangemen. Let me put it this way, if you flipped your comment around and said that "condemnation of an EDL march was an attack on white people", you'd sound like an extremist. If you do want to see someone 'having a go' at black people though, have you seen the link where Sasha Johnson is threatening a black man and repeatedly calling him a 'c**n'? Or is that ok because she's black? If you were any more one-eyed you'd be a cyclops 😎 Oh, and the reason this thread was 'hijacked' was because the original threads on this matter were repeatedly locked and removed. This was mainly down to you (for three weeks running, I believe) abusing posters (and I'm not talking about the far right element on here either) who had a different viewpoint to you, calling them Nazis etc and saying they were in a gang 😂 Strangely, the left wing element on here who are so quick to post faux outrage regarding trolling, keyboard warriors and abuse at people they disagree with had nothing to say regarding your outbursts. Quelle surprise! 🤷♀️ I mentioned Orangemen because they march in military uniforms babe XX And likewise there's no criticism of them on here when they march with regularity xx
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Post by thevoid on Aug 4, 2020 11:20:44 GMT
That's horrific and I hope they throw away the key for the scum responsible for it. And they get a beating every day behind bars. Now that I've responded with my thoughts on that, do you think that people marching through our capital in quasi-paramilitary uniforms (which was made illegal in 1936) 'having a go' (to use your words) at police (some of whom would've been of colour presumably) and using incendiary language such as 'terrorist' is acceptable? No one's 'having a go' at black people on this thread, they're condemning divisive shit like this. I've repeatedly said I have no issue with broadcasters endorsing Kick It Out etc rather than these bigots. Yet all I've seen from the usual suspects (well, suspect) is whataboutery regarding the EDL, football fans and, rather randomly, Orangemen. Let me put it this way, if you flipped your comment around and said that "condemnation of an EDL march was an attack on white people", you'd sound like an extremist. If you do want to see someone 'having a go' at black people though, have you seen the link where Sasha Johnson is threatening a black man and repeatedly calling him a 'c**n'? Or is that ok because she's black? If you were any more one-eyed you'd be a cyclops 😎 Oh, and the reason this thread was 'hijacked' was because the original threads on this matter were repeatedly locked and removed. This was mainly down to you (for three weeks running, I believe) abusing posters (and I'm not talking about the far right element on here either) who had a different viewpoint to you, calling them Nazis etc and saying they were in a gang 😂 Strangely, the left wing element on here who are so quick to post faux outrage regarding trolling, keyboard warriors and abuse at people they disagree with had nothing to say regarding your outbursts. Quelle surprise! 🤷♀️ I mentioned Orangemen because they march in military uniforms babe XX And likewise there's no criticism of them on here when they march with regularity xx Military uniforms- bowler hats 😂 What are they, the Grace Brothers Liberation Army? As I said to you yesterday, it's a regional issue unique to certain parts of the UK, rather than the global discussion that's occuring regarding BLM etc- so you're strawmanning and using false equivalence. Can't you post normally for once by the way, rather than using weird tropes like kisses and Photoshop you silly sod? 😂
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Post by thevoid on Aug 4, 2020 11:34:18 GMT
The prosecution rests 😊 Forget cyclops, if you were any more transparent you'd be a ghost. (I still haven't had the lanyard for my gang membership, I ordered black to go with my shirt 😉) I condemned the racist attack you highlighted, yet you can't answer the question I asked you, just more childish insults. Says it all. Go and make your own thread about that incident, and ask me on that on one (I'm sure the subject line will be interesting!) instead of deliberately trying to dilute and diminish one on the rise of the violent right. The subject line I'd have gone for would have been 'Yesterday's BLM march in Brixton' - nothing inflammatory there, and does what it says on the tin. Plus that's another point you've raised that I've given you the courtesy of a response to. Do you see a pattern? If you'll indulge me and pretend that I asked you the question on another thread (for whatever difference it makes), how would you answer? Were their actions acceptable or divisive? (Assuming I had started a seperate thread, no doubt you'd have written it off as a 'black bashing' thread anyway, but hey ho....)
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Post by thevoid on Aug 4, 2020 14:36:04 GMT
I did spot a reference to Inaya Iman and the Equiano Project further up this thread so I decided to follow the 'angry progressive' mantra of 'educating myself' and doing some research. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8589659/amp/These-intimidating-protests-inflame-divisions-Britain-INAYA-FOLARIN-IMAN.htmlNow this is the kind of discussion about race I could get behind. No shouty accusations, Primark budget uniforms and swivel-eyed rage- an approach that surely alienates more people than it encourages. I'm sure most people will be more willing to support your goals if you talk to them properly rather than getting all salty. As Inaya says in the article: "Some far-Left authoritarians loathe any challenge to their binary conceit of black victimhood and white racism". Perhaps she reads The Oatcake 😉
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 4, 2020 15:32:23 GMT
I did spot a reference to Inaya Iman and the Equiano Project further up this thread so I decided to follow the 'angry progressive' mantra of 'educating myself' and doing some research. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8589659/amp/These-intimidating-protests-inflame-divisions-Britain-INAYA-FOLARIN-IMAN.htmlNow this is the kind of discussion about race I could get behind. No shouty accusations, Primark budget uniforms and swivel-eyed rage- an approach that surely alienates more people than it encourages. I'm sure most people will be more willing to support your goals if you talk to them properly rather than getting all salty. As Inaya says in the article: "Some far-Left authoritarians loathe any challenge to their binary conceit of black victimhood and white racism". Perhaps she reads The Oatcake 😉 I saw an interview with her on TR a couple of days ago. A very impressive young lady. Talks good sense with no anger. Says what provably 99 percent of us want.
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Post by walstoke on Aug 4, 2020 15:49:23 GMT
I did spot a reference to Inaya Iman and the Equiano Project further up this thread so I decided to follow the 'angry progressive' mantra of 'educating myself' and doing some research. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8589659/amp/These-intimidating-protests-inflame-divisions-Britain-INAYA-FOLARIN-IMAN.htmlNow this is the kind of discussion about race I could get behind. No shouty accusations, Primark budget uniforms and swivel-eyed rage- an approach that surely alienates more people than it encourages. I'm sure most people will be more willing to support your goals if you talk to them properly rather than getting all salty. As Inaya says in the article: "Some far-Left authoritarians loathe any challenge to their binary conceit of black victimhood and white racism". Perhaps she reads The Oatcake 😉 I saw an interview with her on TR a couple of days ago. A very impressive young lady. Talks good sense with no anger. Says what provably 99 percent of us want. Brilliant young woman, I've been saying what she says for years, but she says it much better than I can. Let's look for what we have in common, rather than what divides us.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 16:10:13 GMT
That's horrific and I hope they throw away the key for the scum responsible for it. And they get a beating every day behind bars. Now that I've responded with my thoughts on that, do you think that people marching through our capital in quasi-paramilitary uniforms (which was made illegal in 1936) 'having a go' (to use your words) at police (some of whom would've been of colour presumably) and using incendiary language such as 'terrorist' is acceptable? No one's 'having a go' at black people on this thread, they're condemning divisive shit like this. I've repeatedly said I have no issue with broadcasters endorsing Kick It Out etc rather than these bigots. Yet all I've seen from the usual suspects (well, suspect) is whataboutery regarding the EDL, football fans and, rather randomly, Orangemen. Let me put it this way, if you flipped your comment around and said that "condemnation of an EDL march was an attack on white people", you'd sound like an extremist. If you do want to see someone 'having a go' at black people though, have you seen the link where Sasha Johnson is threatening a black man and repeatedly calling him a 'c**n'? Or is that ok because she's black? If you were any more one-eyed you'd be a cyclops 😎 Oh, and the reason this thread was 'hijacked' was because the original threads on this matter were repeatedly locked and removed. This was mainly down to you (for three weeks running, I believe) abusing posters (and I'm not talking about the far right element on here either) who had a different viewpoint to you, calling them Nazis etc and saying they were in a gang 😂 Strangely, the left wing element on here who are so quick to post faux outrage regarding trolling, keyboard warriors and abuse at people they disagree with had nothing to say regarding your outbursts. Quelle surprise! 🤷♀️ I mentioned Orangemen because they march in military uniforms babe XX And likewise there's no criticism of them on here when they march with regularity xx I agree you have to be careful you never know, what they might have under that sash They might even have a sharpened fountain pen
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2020 16:44:34 GMT
I mentioned Orangemen because they march in military uniforms babe XX And likewise there's no criticism of them on here when they march with regularity xx I agree you have to be careful you never know, what they might have under that sash They might even have a sharpened fountain pen Poisoned darts in their flutes
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 4, 2020 20:11:08 GMT
Nice try mate but that wasn't the point being made was it. There never wasn't a consensus about abusing the police as far as I can tell. You just made up a load of shit about how white people aren't allowed to do it, which is demonstrably untrue. In fact many of them do it on pretty much every matchday across the land, to take yet another example What I am saying is that people, black or white , should not be abusing ( verbally or physically) the police.,,,and I believe that there is a consensus on that. It now seems that you don't agree, to fulfil some personal need you have to hate people. No mate. Just to reiterate the original point that someone else made - for the third time now - that white people have abused police in exactly the same way, without any more grave consequences. Stop trying to be inflammatory
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 4, 2020 20:24:13 GMT
What I am saying is that people, black or white , should not be abusing ( verbally or physically) the police.,,,and I believe that there is a consensus on that. It now seems that you don't agree, to fulfil some personal need you have to hate people. No mate. Just to reiterate the original point that someone else made - for the third time now - that white people have abused police in exactly the same way, without any more grave consequences. Stop trying to be inflammatory I don't think that they have , in exactly the same way as the hatred shown by the lady in the video, BUT....if they have they should also be totally condemned....both black and white people are capable of doing good and bad you know.....It doesn't always have to be a myopic race war.....some black and white people have much in common.....some work towards trying to create a peaceful future , others like to create division and hatred.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 3:20:10 GMT
I mentioned Orangemen because they march in military uniforms babe XX And likewise there's no criticism of them on here when they march with regularity xx Military uniforms- bowler hats 😂What are they, the Grace Brothers Liberation Army? As I said to you yesterday, it's a regional issue unique to certain parts of the UK, rather than the global discussion that's occuring regarding BLM etc- so you're strawmanning and using false equivalence. Can't you post normally for once by the way, rather than using weird tropes like kisses and Photoshop you silly sod? 😂 The Bowler Hat is that of the Queen's guard The sash a military garment worn at the Battle of The Boyne. They also march in military formation . The original post is 100% correct
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 5, 2020 4:35:29 GMT
Military uniforms- bowler hats 😂What are they, the Grace Brothers Liberation Army? As I said to you yesterday, it's a regional issue unique to certain parts of the UK, rather than the global discussion that's occuring regarding BLM etc- so you're strawmanning and using false equivalence. Can't you post normally for once by the way, rather than using weird tropes like kisses and Photoshop you silly sod? 😂 The Bowler Hat is that of the Queen's guard The sash a military garment worn at the Battle of The Boyne. They also march in military formation . The original post is 100% correct I think the bowler hat is out of the homepride flour advert As for the sash didn't them pesky votes for women lot start them off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 4:41:33 GMT
The Bowler Hat is that of the Queen's guard The sash a military garment worn at the Battle of The Boyne. They also march in military formation . The original post is 100% correct I think the bowler hat is out of the homepride flour advert As for the sash didn't them pesky votes for women lot start them off Certainly a bunch of women Homepride ...like it That's gonna spread
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 6:55:18 GMT
No mate. Just to reiterate the original point that someone else made - for the third time now - that white people have abused police in exactly the same way, without any more grave consequences. Stop trying to be inflammatory I don't think that they have , in exactly the same way as the hatred shown by the lady in the video, BUT....if they have they should also be totally condemned....both black and white people are capable of doing good and bad you know.....It doesn't always have to be a myopic race war.....some black and white people have much in common.....some work towards trying to create a peaceful future , others like to create division and hatred. Yes mate, like your incorrect post about how white people aren't allowed to behave in a way that black people are. Which has been demonstrated to you to be bollocks.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 7:05:17 GMT
I don't think that they have , in exactly the same way as the hatred shown by the lady in the video, BUT....if they have they should also be totally condemned....both black and white people are capable of doing good and bad you know.....It doesn't always have to be a myopic race war.....some black and white people have much in common.....some work towards trying to create a peaceful future , others like to create division and hatred. Yes mate, like your incorrect post about how white people aren't allowed to behave in a way that black people are. Which has been demonstrated to you to be bollocks. I haven't said that. You always seem to degenerate to personal hatred. I don't mind continuing this mild frivolous banter but I've lost the plot slightly. I can't remember what we are disagreeing about. I am saying that both black and white people should not abuse the Police, and both are capable of good and bad. And the lady in the video is not very nice. Please would you be so kind as to clarify your position or have I got it wrong and we arguing about something else? I can't remember , but you do seem angry about something.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 7:48:16 GMT
Yes mate, like your incorrect post about how white people aren't allowed to behave in a way that black people are. Which has been demonstrated to you to be bollocks. I haven't said that. You always seem to degenerate to personal hatred. I don't mind continuing this mild frivolous banter but I've lost the plot slightly. I can't remember what we are disagreeing about. I am saying that both black and white people should not abuse the Police, and both are capable of good and bad. And the lady in the video is not very nice. Please would you be so kind as to clarify your position or have I got it wrong and we arguing about something else? I can't remember , but you do seem angry about something. Allow me to clarify then. "Imagine if that was a group of " organised" football supporters or theEDL....Om not sure it would be tolerated."That's what you wrote, and it's been pointed out to you that it's completely wrong, and that those sorts of people do routinely abuse the police. You've been subsequently trying to deflect by turning the debate into something else. No personal hatred here, just a simple observation of fact/fiction. Hope that clarification helps mate
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 7:53:32 GMT
I haven't said that. You always seem to degenerate to personal hatred. I don't mind continuing this mild frivolous banter but I've lost the plot slightly. I can't remember what we are disagreeing about. I am saying that both black and white people should not abuse the Police, and both are capable of good and bad. And the lady in the video is not very nice. Please would you be so kind as to clarify your position or have I got it wrong and we arguing about something else? I can't remember , but you do seem angry about something. Allow me to clarify then. "Imagine if that was a group of " organised" football supporters or theEDL....Om not sure it would be tolerated."That's what you wrote, and it's been pointed out to you that it's completely wrong, and that those sorts of people do routinely abuse the police. You've been subsequently trying to deflect by turning the debate into something else. No personal hatred here, just a simple observation of fact/fiction. Hope that clarification helps mate Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 5, 2020 8:14:02 GMT
Allow me to clarify then. "Imagine if that was a group of " organised" football supporters or theEDL....Om not sure it would be tolerated."That's what you wrote, and it's been pointed out to you that it's completely wrong, and that those sorts of people do routinely abuse the police. You've been subsequently trying to deflect by turning the debate into something else. No personal hatred here, just a simple observation of fact/fiction. Hope that clarification helps mate Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world. You have a point in respect to 999 times out of 1000 someone behaving like that would be arrested. In my opinion the decision not to arrest was a political one because we all know what would have happened if hands had been laid on the lovely Sasha. This is what the media have created so slanted is there reporting. I’m hoping she’ll be arrested slow time.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 8:30:56 GMT
Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world. You have a point in respect to 999 times out of 1000 someone behaving like that would be arrested. In my opinion the decision not to arrest was a political one because we all know what would have happened if hands had been laid on the lovely Sasha. This is what the media have created so slanted is there reporting. I’m hoping she’ll be arrested slow time. In the late 70s/ early 80s I was involved in Policing some demonstrations at a University in the Midlands, I can't honestly remember the issue and the University, but I'm guessing it was anti nuclear, but big and organised . As a front row Police officer, people did and do indeed " get in your face".....but most of the comments were harmless and could even be called banter( one , quite nice young girl said" that one even looks intelligent " about me....it sticks in my mind because it doesn't happen often) but what I've seen recently ,for me, is of a different nature...hatred DIRECTLY to the Police(Isn't BLM involved in defunding the Police?), and in my opinion, it has gone too far, it seems nasty and vicious, and ,in my opinion, if people like it ir not, if the Police go down we are in trouble. I was also at the Toxteth riots where the Police ( and fire service and ambulance)did get attacked...but IT WAS NOT TOLERATED, far from it. The sad thing for me is....where is it all going....it seems that the " leaders" want division, hatred and destruction....It might just be possible to bring black and white together...and I believe that is what most people would want....and that means somehow accepting the past BUT being positive about the here and now, MOVING ON, not fighting the same battles.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 8:42:55 GMT
Military uniforms- bowler hats 😂What are they, the Grace Brothers Liberation Army? As I said to you yesterday, it's a regional issue unique to certain parts of the UK, rather than the global discussion that's occuring regarding BLM etc- so you're strawmanning and using false equivalence. Can't you post normally for once by the way, rather than using weird tropes like kisses and Photoshop you silly sod? 😂 The Bowler Hat is that of the Queen's guard The sash a military garment worn at the Battle of The Boyne. They also march in military formation . The original post is 100% correct As is my comment that it's a regional issue woven into the culture and fabric of Northern Ireland. It's is a completely separate discussion and set of circumstances and not particularly relevant to the one we're having here. For the record, I was raised as a Catholic, my mum's family were Irish and I believe in a united Ireland. I certainly have no affinity to Orangemen or the British Royal Family.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 8:49:49 GMT
And still Sheikhy hasn't answered my question. Well I'm certainly not going to indulge his fetish for starting a separate thread on it as there are so many comments on this one now. Plus he'd only ignore it anyway 😉
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 8:51:26 GMT
Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world. You have a point in respect to 999 times out of 1000 someone behaving like that would be arrested. In my opinion the decision not to arrest was a political one because we all know what would have happened if hands had been laid on the lovely Sasha. This is what the media have created so slanted is there reporting. I’m hoping she’ll be arrested slow time. Once the police become politicised, you have a problem.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 9:13:43 GMT
Allow me to clarify then. "Imagine if that was a group of " organised" football supporters or theEDL....Om not sure it would be tolerated."That's what you wrote, and it's been pointed out to you that it's completely wrong, and that those sorts of people do routinely abuse the police. You've been subsequently trying to deflect by turning the debate into something else. No personal hatred here, just a simple observation of fact/fiction. Hope that clarification helps mate Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world. Direct abuse of the police happened in the various protests in London a few weeks back. Including the statue defenders one, from an overwhelmingly white crowd - you know, the one where you posted a fake news photo the night before to stir the pot a bit. It also happens every matchday throughout the UK, and has done for decades. You haven't watched much football if you haven't seen that It happens pretty much every time Tommy Robinson has a rally too. It must be difficult trying to maintain this pompous air of impartiality when you're transparently not
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 9:23:06 GMT
Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world. Direct abuse of the police happened in the various protests in London a few weeks back. Including the statue defenders one, from an overwhelmingly white crowd - you know, the one where you posted a fake news photo the night before to stir the pot a bit. It also happens every matchday throughout the UK, and has done for decades. You haven't watched much football if you haven't seen that It happens pretty much every time Tommy Robinson has a rally too. It must be difficult trying to maintain this pompous air of impartiality when you're transparently not The difference between a Robinson/EDL gathering is that there's usually a counter-protest in situ so their actions are condemned 'on site'. Additionally, they're not doing military style drills and marching in political uniforms (fake Stone Island isn't a uniform 😂). The wearing of political uniforms (ironically, black shirts) was made illegal in this country in 1936- so there's a crime for starters. Hope this helps.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 9:42:12 GMT
Not really mate.....Im not sure that direct abuse of the Police, as per the woman in the video, would be tolerated....I don't know if you don't understand the language I'm using or what......" I'm not sure"...." organised" It must be difficult being the only non racist in the world. Direct abuse of the police happened in the various protests in London a few weeks back. Including the statue defenders one, from an overwhelmingly white crowd - you know, the one where you posted a fake news photo the night before to stir the pot a bit. It also happens every matchday throughout the UK, and has done for decades. You haven't watched much football if you haven't seen that It happens pretty much every time Tommy Robinson has a rally too. It must be difficult trying to maintain this pompous air of impartiality when you're transparently not It seems hard for you to understand that I am saying that I don't think personal abuse of the Police should be tolerated from wherever it comes , black and white. I can't think why you want to argue with that. Some of the recent stuff is purposefully aimed directly at the Police. If that's the case from ANYONE on the past , I'm against it.....one thing that both black and white people have in common is that both are human , capable of good and bad.....why you constantly want to divide the issue, I don't know. I used to be a Policeman and have had abuse, spat upon by white people. Until recently I've been a season ticket holder for years and went home and away during the Waddington era and afterwards, not that that is relevant. I think that you've proved my point about the personal stuff. Try to have a good day.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 10:19:07 GMT
Direct abuse of the police happened in the various protests in London a few weeks back. Including the statue defenders one, from an overwhelmingly white crowd - you know, the one where you posted a fake news photo the night before to stir the pot a bit. It also happens every matchday throughout the UK, and has done for decades. You haven't watched much football if you haven't seen that It happens pretty much every time Tommy Robinson has a rally too. It must be difficult trying to maintain this pompous air of impartiality when you're transparently not It seems hard for you to understand that I am saying that I don't think personal abuse of the Police should be tolerated from wherever it comes , black and white. I can't think why you want to argue with that. Some of the recent stuff is purposefully aimed directly at the Police. If that's the case from ANYONE on the past , I'm against it.....one thing that both black and white people have in common is that both are human , capable of good and bad.....why you constantly want to divide the issue, I don't know. I used to be a Policeman and have had abuse, spat upon by white people. Until recently I've been a season ticket holder for years and went home and away during the Waddington era and afterwards, not that that is relevant. I think that you've proved my point about the personal stuff. Try to have a good day. The pompous jibe was in direct response to you making a pissy little comment about me claiming to be the only non racist in the world, which I've never done. You've also hinted at me having mental health issues this morning on another thread. So don't act like you're not making personal barbs yourself. You're up to your neck in it, fella. And just to reiterate, for the fourth time now: I have never argued your point about personal abuse of the police. That strawman was tired the first time you tried it. Where we differ is that you've suggested there's some sort of double standard whereby black people are allowed to do it and white people aren't. Which I'm saying is bollocks, backed up by examples
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 10:23:58 GMT
It seems hard for you to understand that I am saying that I don't think personal abuse of the Police should be tolerated from wherever it comes , black and white. I can't think why you want to argue with that. Some of the recent stuff is purposefully aimed directly at the Police. If that's the case from ANYONE on the past , I'm against it.....one thing that both black and white people have in common is that both are human , capable of good and bad.....why you constantly want to divide the issue, I don't know. I used to be a Policeman and have had abuse, spat upon by white people. Until recently I've been a season ticket holder for years and went home and away during the Waddington era and afterwards, not that that is relevant. I think that you've proved my point about the personal stuff. Try to have a good day. The pompous jibe was in direct response to you making a pissy little comment about me claiming to be the only non racist in the world, which I've never done. You've also hinted at me having mental health issues this morning on another thread. So don't act like you're not making personal barbs yourself. You're up to your neck in it, fella. And just to reiterate, for the fourth time now: I have never argued your point about personal abuse of the police. That strawman was tired the first time you tried it. Where we differ is that you've suggested there's some sort of double standard whereby black people are allowed to do it and white people aren't. Which I'm saying is bollocks, backed up by examples I've not suggested that at all. I could not be clearer, abuse of the Police is wrong, black or white. I only respond to the personal stuff that you do seem to consistently introduce. I don't know if you have mental health problems or not. You do seem constantly aggressively angry and personally argumentative, perhaps it's just passion for your cause and I'm mistaken.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 5, 2020 10:37:13 GMT
The pompous jibe was in direct response to you making a pissy little comment about me claiming to be the only non racist in the world, which I've never done. You've also hinted at me having mental health issues this morning on another thread. So don't act like you're not making personal barbs yourself. You're up to your neck in it, fella. And just to reiterate, for the fourth time now: I have never argued your point about personal abuse of the police. That strawman was tired the first time you tried it. Where we differ is that you've suggested there's some sort of double standard whereby black people are allowed to do it and white people aren't. Which I'm saying is bollocks, backed up by examples I've not suggested that at all. I could not be clearer, abuse of the Police is wrong, black or white. I only respond to the personal stuff that you do seem to consistently introduce. I don't know if you have mental health problems or not. You do seem constantly aggressively angry and personally argumentative, perhaps it's just passion for your cause and I'm mistaken. You wrote it on this thread and I quoted it back to you earlier this morning.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 10:49:37 GMT
I've not suggested that at all. I could not be clearer, abuse of the Police is wrong, black or white. I only respond to the personal stuff that you do seem to consistently introduce. I don't know if you have mental health problems or not. You do seem constantly aggressively angry and personally argumentative, perhaps it's just passion for your cause and I'm mistaken. You wrote it on this thread and I quoted it back to you earlier this morning. Vokes, I don't think this going anywhere and I don't think it's doing you any good. Apologies if my earlier post, that you have quoted back to me , has been misunderstood, ( whether you agree with that , I'm not particularly bothered), not clear, whatever. I don't think anyone can give their full beliefs on a messageboard/ in a post. You give me the impression that you have acquired a " badge of honour " in finding a perceived fault in my argument. Irrespective of my previous, surely then , we agree that abuse of people is wrong. I would also say that peaceful protest is important, where the line is drawn is difficult. My own personal character/ history isn't that important. I think Ive said before, If you live fairly local, I would not mind meeting to discuss race/ culture I find it interesting. I do think that you need to let a few things go and to move on....I honestly don't think it's healthy. Have a good day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 10:54:45 GMT
Outlawed you say pal? 🤔
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