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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 12:58:42 GMT
So from your neutral position you don't hate Robindon? He's done well to highlight the racist attack on vulnerable vulnerable white girls at least hasn't he? I hate all thugs that go around punching and abusing people. Whether it be Robinson or not doesn't matter. He isn't anything special in that regard. Highlighting racism is always good, but that doesn't excuse nobbish behaviour. Racism doesn't only work one way. Nobbish behaviour takes many forms as well, such as nailing a young girl's tongue to a table or plying a 13 year old with drugs. He's no saint but perhaps Tommy may not be the biggest villain around either. Obviously the greatest suffers from racism in general have been black people but it's good that you recognise that racism works both ways and that some vulnerable white girls have been subject to such abuse. I'm quite sure that Tommy also intends to make a good living out of his notoriety and his cause....whether that amounts to taking the public for a ride or whether it's any different from Lineker making a living from talking about football or internet influencers playing the public or advanced marketing techniques of big business, who knows?
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2020 13:35:05 GMT
I hate all thugs that go around punching and abusing people. Whether it be Robinson or not doesn't matter. He isn't anything special in that regard. Highlighting racism is always good, but that doesn't excuse nobbish behaviour. Racism doesn't only work one way. Nobbish behaviour takes many forms as well, such as nailing a young girl's tongue to a table or plying a 13 year old with drugs. He's no saint but perhaps Tommy may not be the biggest villain around either. Obviously the greatest suffers from racism in general have been black people b ut it's good that you recognise that racism works both ways and that some vulnerable white girls have been subject to such abuse. Of course. It goes without saying. I don't and never have condoned 'racist' abuse / violence against anyone. Doesn't matter who they are, what colour they are, what religion they are or what political party they come from.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2020 13:47:09 GMT
Depends what you mean by highlighting. Nothing TR has done has led to any great media uncovering or legal proceedings that weren’t happening anyway - in fact the one tangible effect he has had on the cases was to put the chances of several convictions in serious jeopardy by live-streaming outside the court and risking the abandonment of the trials. He did do that Potter and has a tendency to be hot headed....but I do believe th9 he raised concerns about what was / is happening in our largely working class inner cities to vulnerable white young girls by largely Pakistani gangs way before the authorities took it seriously...an example of a real member of the working class having to take action through frustration, evidenced by the suppression of the Aygusta report and Maggie Oliver. I suppose he could have done nothing. My opinion is that, on balance and in terms of getting justice for those girls, that would have been the better option. I do understand your point but there are far more measured - while equally outraged - voices who have been campaigning on this for years, who I think are more worthy of amplification.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 5, 2020 13:51:51 GMT
Nobbish behaviour takes many forms as well, such as nailing a young girl's tongue to a table or plying a 13 year old with drugs. He's no saint but perhaps Tommy may not be the biggest villain around either. Obviously the greatest suffers from racism in general have been black people b ut it's good that you recognise that racism works both ways and that some vulnerable white girls have been subject to such abuse. Of course. It goes without saying. I don't and never have condoned 'racist' abuse / violence against anyone. Doesn't matter who they are, what colour they are, what religion they are or what political party they come from. So Robinson is a racist how? And please…with your hysterical response provide evidence to support your wisdom.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 13:53:07 GMT
He did do that Potter and has a tendency to be hot headed....but I do believe th9 he raised concerns about what was / is happening in our largely working class inner cities to vulnerable white young girls by largely Pakistani gangs way before the authorities took it seriously...an example of a real member of the working class having to take action through frustration, evidenced by the suppression of the Aygusta report and Maggie Oliver. I suppose he could have done nothing. My opinion is that, on balance and in terms of getting justice for those girls, that would have been the better option. I do understand your point but there are far more measured - while equally outraged - voices who have been campaigning on this for years, who I think are more worthy of amplification. And I get your point Potter, but I wonder why the more measured campaigns did not appear to get anywhere? At least Tommy had seen it first hand, his cousin was raped and given drugs and he was incensed by the treatment of returning soldiers on parade....as though they were enemies of the UK ( irrespective of a person's particular stance on war / intervention). Clearly as Maggie Oliver says if the girls had been taken seriously from the beginning their would be no room for Tommy Robinson
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2020 13:59:21 GMT
My opinion is that, on balance and in terms of getting justice for those girls, that would have been the better option. I do understand your point but there are far more measured - while equally outraged - voices who have been campaigning on this for years, who I think are more worthy of amplification. And I get your point Potter, but I wonder why the more measured campaigns did not appear to get anywhere? At least Tommy had seen it first hand, his cousin was raped and given drugs and he was incensed by the treatment of returning soldiers on parade....as though they were enemies of the UK ( irrespective of a person's particular stance on war / intervention). Clearly as Maggie Oliver says if the girls had been taken seriously from the beginning their would be no room for Tommy Robinson Well his campaign certainly didn't get anywhere apart from prison! Pretty much agree with the rest of your post. The real story here is of course the systematic failing of those girls, not a trivial is he/isn't he back-and-forth about Tommy Robinson (but I think that's partly his own making as well).
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2020 14:11:04 GMT
My opinion is that, on balance and in terms of getting justice for those girls, that would have been the better option. I do understand your point but there are far more measured - while equally outraged - voices who have been campaigning on this for years, who I think are more worthy of amplification. And I get your point Potter, but I wonder why the more measured campaigns did not appear to get anywhere? At least Tommy had seen it first hand, his cousin was raped and given drugs and he was incensed by the treatment of returning soldiers on parade....as though they were enemies of the UK ( irrespective of a person's particular stance on war / intervention). Clearly as Maggie Oliver says if the girls had been taken seriously from the beginning their would be no room for Tommy Robinson To be fair this is a really an issue with the authorities and politicians isn't it? if they did their jobs properly then we wouldn't need anyone to alert people to these things. All the things you've mentioned piss me off and I'd be more than happy to have deported anyone booing soldiers. The same goes for anyone protesting in the street criticising the UK, demanding Sharia law, etc. They can all fuck off or get sent down for treason as far as I'm concerned. However, I can't blame entire minority groups for the behaviour of a few and where our own government fails to act proportionately. I wrote (yesterday I think) that I think priority is given to minority groups over the typical British majority. However that's not the fault of the minority groups. It's the fault of the people we elect to govern the country.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Mar 5, 2020 14:14:55 GMT
How far right are YOU out of interest ? Break it down by policy.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Mar 5, 2020 14:15:30 GMT
Policies.
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2020 14:16:02 GMT
Of course. It goes without saying. I don't and never have condoned 'racist' abuse / violence against anyone. Doesn't matter who they are, what colour they are, what religion they are or what political party they come from. So Robinson is a racist how? And please…with your hysterical response provide evidence to support your wisdom. Didn't realise UK schools had been closed due to the virus.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 5, 2020 14:28:15 GMT
So Robinson is a racist how? And please…with your hysterical response provide evidence to support your wisdom. Didn't realise UK schools had been closed due to the virus. I am sure you keep a very close eye on the status of UK schools. Back to the original question.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 14:38:58 GMT
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 5, 2020 14:52:05 GMT
If I ever judge people based on what the independent fabricates, fucking shoot me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 15:05:10 GMT
If I ever judge people based on what the independent fabricates, fucking shoot me. Yeah ignore the actual evidence that's contained within the report and shoot the meesnger. Face facts you admire a dirty, vile, racist, violent, criminal, far right piece of filth. Consider your choices.
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2020 15:08:00 GMT
If I ever judge people based on what the independent fabricates, fucking shoot me. Yeah ignore the actual evidence that's contained within the report and shoot the meesnger. Face facts you admire a dirty, vile, racist, violent, criminal, far right piece of filth. Consider your choices. It's handy having someone on here who justifies the existence of this thread.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 5, 2020 15:30:24 GMT
If I ever judge people based on what the independent fabricates, fucking shoot me. Yeah ignore the actual evidence that's contained within the report and shoot the meesnger. Face facts you admire a dirty, vile, racist, violent, criminal, far right piece of filth. Consider your choices. Do you feel better now you’ve just splurged that out?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 15:37:45 GMT
Yeah ignore the actual evidence that's contained within the report and shoot the meesnger. Face facts you admire a dirty, vile, racist, violent, criminal, far right piece of filth. Consider your choices. Do you feel better now you’ve just splurged that out? I'll feel better when the twat is behind bars again.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 5, 2020 15:51:19 GMT
Do you feel better now you’ve just splurged that out? I'll feel better when the twat is behind bars again. I’ll feel better when the systematic rape of tens of thousands of white children by Muslim men has ceased.
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 5, 2020 15:51:23 GMT
Do you feel better now you’ve just splurged that out? I'll feel better when the twat is behind bars again. it will feel better when you liberal twats get spanked. oh sorry i know you would like that.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 15:59:22 GMT
Songfrush and Bertie telling it as it is
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Post by countofmontecristo on Mar 5, 2020 16:04:17 GMT
I'll feel better when the twat is behind bars again. it will feel better when you liberal twats get spanked. oh sorry i know you would like that. Momo is definitely not liberal. He's probably the most illiberal totalitarian on the board.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Mar 5, 2020 16:17:03 GMT
Songfrush and Bertie telling it as it is Nice one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 16:17:30 GMT
it will feel better when you liberal twats get spanked. oh sorry i know you would like that. Momo is definitely not liberal. He's probably the most illiberal totalitarian on the board. 😄
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2020 16:21:55 GMT
it will feel better when you liberal twats get spanked. oh sorry i know you would like that. Momo is definitely not liberal. He's probably the most illiberal totalitarian on the board. I'd say he's more illiteral than illiberal.
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 5, 2020 20:14:20 GMT
nice picture of me that. i bet you have got a picture of owen jones on bedside cabinet with your tongue licking his arse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 20:17:47 GMT
nice picture of me that. i bet you have got a picture of owen jones on bedside cabinet with your tongue licking his arse. Don't you like Owen mate?
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 5, 2020 20:32:48 GMT
we know you do pal.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 20:36:31 GMT
It's not even hard to coax them out into the open is it! 😁
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 5, 2020 20:41:38 GMT
you right there,out of the closet and that.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 5, 2020 21:29:39 GMT
Wow! I’d never seen that. What an absolute bellend.
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