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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2019 10:33:51 GMT
And I firmly 100% believe that a white man would not have been questioned in a similar way, not just on here but across social media. I think there is a debate to be had about the lack of black managers in the professional game, there is simply no logic to the figures but I also happen to think Campbell talks a load of twaddle at times and doesn't really help himself or the cause much. However, the last 24 hours have certainly given extra credence to some of the things he says from where I'm standing. Behave If Wayne Rooney had said scousers aren’t being given a chance or John Terry/Wiltshire cockneys many would of seen this very differently I don’t care what colour or nationality somebody is if they are the best then I want them at SCFC That’s the main thing surely? I don't think some of the barriers are even conscious at times to black players getting the managerial opportunities that white players get but those barriers exist. The figures are way too skewed for there not to be something there.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 16, 2019 10:36:48 GMT
Behave If Wayne Rooney had said scousers aren’t being given a chance or John Terry/Wiltshire cockneys many would of seen this very differently I don’t care what colour or nationality somebody is if they are the best then I want them at SCFC That’s the main thing surely? I don't think some of the barriers are even conscious at times to black players getting the managerial opportunities that white players get but those barriers exist. The figures are way too skewed for there not to be something there. Does that argument apply to people who read the news for the BBC and other channels mate🤔
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Post by nott1 on Aug 16, 2019 10:42:56 GMT
I don't think some of the barriers are even conscious at times to black players getting the managerial opportunities that white players get but those barriers exist. The figures are way too skewed for there not to be something there. Does that argument apply to people who read the news for the BBC and other channels mate🤔 I wonder how many English people get a job on Indian TV!
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2019 11:35:05 GMT
He has one of the greatest minds in football according to himself. The bloke is a fucking absolute cretin. I don't give a fuck about him leaving Macc. He's just another ex footballer who thinks he's entitled to anything he wants and stamps his feet when he doesn't get it.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Aug 16, 2019 11:55:52 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? Does that argument apply to people who read the news for the BBC and other channels mate🤔 I wonder how many English people get a job on Indian TV!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 16, 2019 12:04:32 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? I wonder how many English people get a job on Indian TV! I was not talking about him, but about news readers etc. on tv! There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens and wondered how many English people have jobs on tv in India. Nothing to do with Sol really.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 16, 2019 12:14:24 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? I was not talking about him, but about news readers etc. on tv! There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens and wondered how many English people have jobs on tv in India. Nothing to do with Sol really. It's still a massive load of fuck-pig ignorant racist bollocks mind.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 16, 2019 12:36:54 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? I was not talking about him, but about news readers etc. on tv! There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens and wondered how many English people have jobs on tv in India. Nothing to do with Sol really. "There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens"
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 16, 2019 13:22:36 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? I was not talking about him, but about news readers etc. on tv! There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens and wondered how many English people have jobs on tv in India. Nothing to do with Sol really. Is this an attempt at a joke? I'll go on the assumption that it is not, just as a precaution. If ever there was an example of our education system being broken, here it is! I mean, where do you start? These "Indians" that you like to call them are as British as you....and here lies part of the problem. You confuse skin colour with nationality, and what is the problem if there were Indians on our screens? AND....speaking as someone who has spent time in India...yes you do see English people on Indian TV!!!! As well, the irony of choosing a country that was under British colonial rule for nearly 200 years is just dumbfounding! If it was an attempt at a joke, well let's move on then!
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Post by sutekh on Aug 16, 2019 13:49:05 GMT
Backed up his mouth and did one of the hardest jobs in professional football last season, in his first managerial job. Full respect from me, for whatever that is worth! This 👍
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Post by zerps on Aug 16, 2019 13:51:12 GMT
He started it 😆
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Post by thevoid on Aug 16, 2019 14:01:02 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? I was not talking about him, but about news readers etc. on tv! There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens and wondered how many English people have jobs on tv in India. Nothing to do with Sol really. Nothing wrong with a bit of Ranvir Singh, it's never bad news when she's reading it 😋
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 14:12:32 GMT
Do we have any figures on how many professional English black players there have been compared to white players over the past 30 years for example?
Being as this country is predominantly white, I’d imagine the percentage leaning to white players is quite high.
Also do we have any figures on how many black players have wanted to continue their career in management, completed the correct badges compared to white players?
If no to both then let’s be honest it’s all a irrelevant. That said any talk of using race as an opportunity to develop self interest is clearly unheard of. Sol wouldn’t do that...
Incase I have to say it, I really couldn’t careless whose black or white. I dislike everyone equally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 14:28:02 GMT
Because this is getting silly now and cause I can !
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 16, 2019 14:36:34 GMT
Bollocks. If any white manager had just resigned from a job after doing an incredibly successful job at a low league club after not getting paid for months they would not have had a queue of opportunist posters lining up to call them an utter prick and a wanker. Of that I am 100% sure. We get it every time on this board on all the other millions of posts we have had about Sol Campbell. So he does silly things sometimes. Like who doesn't? So what!....Same old story and then all this crap that makes out these posters are themselves the victims. That's the bit I dislike. Same old strategy. You virtually accused mick of racism for even trying to discuss it Appalling tactic I'm very happy to publicly apologise to mick if that was not his intention. I'm sure mick is not racist at all. Doesn't mean that I agree with his perspective. My comment about bananas was directed at the attitude of the many posters on this thread and historically towards this subject. I think it is totally valid and appropriate. I'm not a fan of Sol Campbell necessarily (I dont agree with many of his political persuasions) but he is always disportionately targeted on this forum. Everything he does is represented in a certain negative way. But it goes much further than just negativity. It's venomous which I could understand if he was a serial paedophile or something. It's intentionally misrepresentative too. He was studying coaching badges when he came out to say there was misrepresentation in English coaching. I don't think it was all about itself, he was making a point for all BAME in the game, why is this myth so vehemently perpetuated? He was critical of other black players for not speaking out against racism. What is wrong with that? Even if it was about himself why the venom and anger towards him? That's not normal banter. He wanted to get a job and felt opportunities were restricted, that makes him a cunt? I don't see this towards others. Then when he takes a job down the lower leagues does extremely well and doesnt get paid, he's still a cunt. He's a proven sportsman who believes in his own ability and that also makes him a cunt!!! Is that so unique? This guy was the subject of explicit racism from coaches from the beginning of his career, that is well documented and wholly believable, but that is not taken into account when people start loading their ammunition towards him. This is a guy who was told he was not a real Englishman when he was a young footballer by his coach, was subject to monkey chants regularly, how does that shape your worldview? Yes he said some daft things but why does that create so much hatred? There is a perception that we have all moved from the horror of racist behaviour in the 70s and colonialist mentality, but I genuinely feel in many ways we haven't in many, many ways. Its taken on a new and sinister dimension with social media. What is new in this game is this pathetic expression of being offended by someone who points out potential racism and turns that on its head that it is all PC gone mad, snowflakes and creates the impression that the problem is all with black people who have the audacity to point out something that is not right. There is massive evidence that racism is a huge problem in football today. Virtually every black player receives online racist abuse after games when they make a mistake in a game. It is prolific, week in, week out. That is just not acceptable. There is a problem. The anger should be directed towards them who are engaging in it and fostering this, not those who try to fight it, however clumsy their methods may be.
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Post by werrington on Aug 16, 2019 14:51:54 GMT
You virtually accused mick of racism for even trying to discuss it Appalling tactic I'm very happy to publicly apologise to mick if that was not his intention. I'm sure mick is not racist at all. Doesn't mean that I agree with his perspective. My comment about bananas was directed at the attitude of the many posters on this thread and historically towards this subject. I think it is totally valid and appropriate. I'm not a fan of Sol Campbell necessarily (I dont agree with many of his political persuasions) but he is always disportionately targeted on this forum. Everything he does is represented in a certain negative way. But it goes much further than just negativity. It's venomous which I could understand if he was a serial paedophile or something. It's intentionally misrepresentative too. He was studying coaching badges when he came out to say there was misrepresentation in English coaching. I don't think it was all about itself, he was making a point for all BAME in the game, why is this myth so vehemently perpetuated? He was critical of other black players for not speaking out against racism. What is wrong with that? Even if it was about himself why the venom and anger towards him? That's not normal banter. He wanted to get a job and felt opportunities were restricted, that makes him a cunt? I don't see this towards others. Then when he takes a job down the lower leagues does extremely well and doesnt get paid, he's still a cunt. This guy was the subject of explicit racism from coaches from the beginning of his career, that is well documented and wholly believable, but that is not taken into account when people start loading their ammunition towards him. This is a guy who was told he was not a real Englishman when he was a young footballer by his coach, was subject to monkey chants regularly, how does that shape your worldview? Yes he said some daft things but why does that create so much hatred? There is a perception that we have all moved from the horror of racist behaviour in the 70s and colonialist mentality, but I genuinely feel in many ways we haven't in many, many ways. Its taken on a new and sinister dimension with social media. What is new in this game is this pathetic expression of being offended by someone who points out potential racism and turns that on its head that it is all PC gone mad, snowflakes and creates the impression that the problem is all with black people who have the audacity to point out something that is not right. There is massive evidence that racism is a huge problem in football today. Virtually every black player receives online racist abuse after games when they make a mistake in a game. It is prolific, week in, week out. That is just not acceptable. There is a problem. The anger should be directed towards them who are engaging in it and fostering this, not those who try to fight it, however clumsy their methods may be. Listen mate the people who do that are vermin but if we aren’t careful we are going to have people getting jobs because of their skin colour/gender and not because they are the best people forthe job...surely that’s not right yeah? This pc nonsense is getting out of hand, you can’t say this you can’t say that whilst all the time the people you can’t offend are saying the exact same things in reverse ...surely that’s also not right If the black,Asian Chinese, gay person is the best person for that job then 100% they should get it and not because it’s pc to give it up them If you were to go for a job interview and you were the best person you’d be seriously pissed off you hadn’t got it because the company were bring pc....surely that’s also discrimination? We’ll obviously not agree with all this but it’s getting where you can’t even discuss something that’s important without being worried somebody will be offended . It’s mental
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Aug 16, 2019 14:54:42 GMT
He has one of the greatest minds in football according to himself. The bloke is a fucking absolute cretin. I don't give a fuck about him leaving Macc. He's just another ex footballer who thinks he's entitled to anything he wants and stamps his feet when he doesn't get it. H So, Andy, let's say we sack Jones next week and PC unveils Sol as the new Manager..... you'll stop going to games ?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 16, 2019 15:03:02 GMT
You virtually accused mick of racism for even trying to discuss it Appalling tactic I'm very happy to publicly apologise to mick if that was not his intention. I'm sure mick is not racist at all. Doesn't mean that I agree with his perspective. My comment about bananas was directed at the attitude of the many posters on this thread and historically towards this subject. I think it is totally valid and appropriate. I'm not a fan of Sol Campbell necessarily (I dont agree with many of his political persuasions) but he is always disportionately targeted on this forum. Everything he does is represented in a certain negative way. But it goes much further than just negativity. It's venomous which I could understand if he was a serial paedophile or something. It's intentionally misrepresentative too. He was studying coaching badges when he came out to say there was misrepresentation in English coaching. I don't think it was all about itself, he was making a point for all BAME in the game, why is this myth so vehemently perpetuated? He was critical of other black players for not speaking out against racism. What is wrong with that? Even if it was about himself why the venom and anger towards him? That's not normal banter. He wanted to get a job and felt opportunities were restricted, that makes him a cunt? I don't see this towards others. Then when he takes a job down the lower leagues does extremely well and doesnt get paid, he's still a cunt. He's a proven sportsman who believes in his own ability and that also makes him a cunt!!! Is that so unique? This guy was the subject of explicit racism from coaches from the beginning of his career, that is well documented and wholly believable, but that is not taken into account when people start loading their ammunition towards him. This is a guy who was told he was not a real Englishman when he was a young footballer by his coach, was subject to monkey chants regularly, how does that shape your worldview? Yes he said some daft things but why does that create so much hatred? There is a perception that we have all moved from the horror of racist behaviour in the 70s and colonialist mentality, but I genuinely feel in many ways we haven't in many, many ways. Its taken on a new and sinister dimension with social media. What is new in this game is this pathetic expression of being offended by someone who points out potential racism and turns that on its head that it is all PC gone mad, snowflakes and creates the impression that the problem is all with black people who have the audacity to point out something that is not right. There is massive evidence that racism is a huge problem in football today. Virtually every black player receives online racist abuse after games when they make a mistake in a game. It is prolific, week in, week out. That is just not acceptable. There is a problem. The anger should be directed towards them who are engaging in it and fostering this, not those who try to fight it, however clumsy their methods may be. His reaction when Ramsay broke his leg said all you needed to know about Sol fuckin Campbell
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Post by sutekh on Aug 16, 2019 15:06:45 GMT
There maybe a lack of black managers in the game as they are not rascist enough. Still they could always ask lee bowyer for a few tips I suppose.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 16, 2019 15:14:21 GMT
This pc nonsense is getting out of hand, you can’t say this you can’t say that whilst all the time the people you can’t offend are saying the exact same things in reverse ...surely that’s also not right
If the black,Asian Chinese, gay person is the best person for that job then 100% they should get it and not because it’s pc to give it up them
If you were to go for a job interview and you were the best person you’d be seriously pissed off you hadn’t got it because the company were bring pc....surely that’s also discrimination?
We’ll obviously not agree with all this but it’s getting where you can’t even discuss something that’s important without being worried somebody will be offended .
It’s mental [/quote]
Off topic slightly, but this exact thing has happened to me twice this year - I’m a white middle aged male and have been passed over twice for roles on 2 separate national boards, purely because I ‘don’t fit the profile’ they’re looking for. In both cases they wanted to boost representation from either BAME or female candidates. Not once has my ability to perform the role been questioned or even referred to.
Now that may well be fair enough and about time, but as a white male it is embarrassing to complain / be taken seriously about this career-stalling situation, but if the situation were reversed, there would be fucking hell up.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 16, 2019 15:59:26 GMT
Do we have any figures on how many professional English black players there have been compared to white players over the past 30 years for example? Being as this country is predominantly white, I’d imagine the percentage leaning to white players is quite high. Also do we have any figures on how many black players have wanted to continue their career in management, completed the correct badges compared to white players? If no to both then let’s be honest it’s all a irrelevant. That said any talk of using race as an opportunity to develop self interest is clearly unheard of. Sol wouldn’t do that... Incase I have to say it, I really couldn’t careless whose black or white. I dislike everyone equally. I'm sure someone does - however a quick look at the Stoke official website shows that 28% of the current first team squad are BAME. In the 2017/18 season the percentage of Premier League footballers who were black was 33% The percentage of Premier League and EFL managers that are BAME is currently a lot less than 28% or 33% - in fact in the same season it was 33% of players in the Premier League it was just 3.2% across the full 92 Premier League and EFL clubs. Are you seeing a trend? Far from irrelavent I'd say. To know how many want to continue a career in management you would have to ask them - however their ambition may well be skewed by the fact that they think they're highly unlikely to get a job because of their skin colour so why bother trying.
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Post by boscfc on Aug 16, 2019 16:49:28 GMT
I'm very happy to publicly apologise to mick if that was not his intention. I'm sure mick is not racist at all. Doesn't mean that I agree with his perspective. My comment about bananas was directed at the attitude of the many posters on this thread and historically towards this subject. I think it is totally valid and appropriate. I'm not a fan of Sol Campbell necessarily (I dont agree with many of his political persuasions) but he is always disportionately targeted on this forum. Everything he does is represented in a certain negative way. But it goes much further than just negativity. It's venomous which I could understand if he was a serial paedophile or something. It's intentionally misrepresentative too. He was studying coaching badges when he came out to say there was misrepresentation in English coaching. I don't think it was all about itself, he was making a point for all BAME in the game, why is this myth so vehemently perpetuated? He was critical of other black players for not speaking out against racism. What is wrong with that? Even if it was about himself why the venom and anger towards him? That's not normal banter. He wanted to get a job and felt opportunities were restricted, that makes him a cunt? I don't see this towards others. Then when he takes a job down the lower leagues does extremely well and doesnt get paid, he's still a cunt. This guy was the subject of explicit racism from coaches from the beginning of his career, that is well documented and wholly believable, but that is not taken into account when people start loading their ammunition towards him. This is a guy who was told he was not a real Englishman when he was a young footballer by his coach, was subject to monkey chants regularly, how does that shape your worldview? Yes he said some daft things but why does that create so much hatred? There is a perception that we have all moved from the horror of racist behaviour in the 70s and colonialist mentality, but I genuinely feel in many ways we haven't in many, many ways. Its taken on a new and sinister dimension with social media. What is new in this game is this pathetic expression of being offended by someone who points out potential racism and turns that on its head that it is all PC gone mad, snowflakes and creates the impression that the problem is all with black people who have the audacity to point out something that is not right. There is massive evidence that racism is a huge problem in football today. Virtually every black player receives online racist abuse after games when they make a mistake in a game. It is prolific, week in, week out. That is just not acceptable. There is a problem. The anger should be directed towards them who are engaging in it and fostering this, not those who try to fight it, however clumsy their methods may be. Listen mate the people who do that are vermin but if we aren’t careful we are going to have people getting jobs because of their skin colour/gender and not because they are the best people forthe job...surely that’s not right yeah? This pc nonsense is getting out of hand, you can’t say this you can’t say that whilst all the time the people you can’t offend are saying the exact same things in reverse ...surely that’s also not right If the black,Asian Chinese, gay person is the best person for that job then 100% they should get it and not because it’s pc to give it up them If you were to go for a job interview and you were the best person you’d be seriously pissed off you hadn’t got it because the company were bring pc....surely that’s also discrimination? We’ll obviously not agree with all this but it’s getting where you can’t even discuss something that’s important without being worried somebody will be offended . It’s mental PC nonsense is getting out of hand? Like when you embarrassed yourself with your faux moral outrage at comments made about how Gary Rowett speaks?
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Post by werrington on Aug 16, 2019 17:27:26 GMT
Listen mate the people who do that are vermin but if we aren’t careful we are going to have people getting jobs because of their skin colour/gender and not because they are the best people forthe job...surely that’s not right yeah? This pc nonsense is getting out of hand, you can’t say this you can’t say that whilst all the time the people you can’t offend are saying the exact same things in reverse ...surely that’s also not right If the black,Asian Chinese, gay person is the best person for that job then 100% they should get it and not because it’s pc to give it up them If you were to go for a job interview and you were the best person you’d be seriously pissed off you hadn’t got it because the company were bring pc....surely that’s also discrimination? We’ll obviously not agree with all this but it’s getting where you can’t even discuss something that’s important without being worried somebody will be offended . It’s mental PC nonsense is getting out of hand? Like when you embarrassed yourself with your faux moral outrage at comments made about how Gary Rowett speaks? Eh? If you are saying I was taking the piss out of Rowett you have got the wrong person If you are saying it’s acceptable to mock his impediment then you are sad as its personal and not funny
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Post by boscfc on Aug 16, 2019 18:07:53 GMT
PC nonsense is getting out of hand? Like when you embarrassed yourself with your faux moral outrage at comments made about how Gary Rowett speaks? Eh? If you are saying I was taking the piss out of Rowett you have got the wrong person If you are saying it’s acceptable to mock his impediment then you are sad as its personal and not funny Impediment? You still peddling that line? About as as daft and ill-informed as your first post on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 18:14:55 GMT
Is that fishing for a response or are you really that dumb? A guy has 73 caps for england and your suggesting hes not english? I was not talking about him, but about news readers etc. on tv! There seems to be a lot of Indians on our screens and wondered how many English people have jobs on tv in India. Nothing to do with Sol really. So really whats the point??? The only thing it seems to do is show you to be very aware of indians on television for some reason. Though I’m not sure you’ve really counted or calculated how much of a percentage on tv compared to the general population. And what if someone said “there are 177 english folk on indian tv”. What then? Whats the who point?
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Post by loosestools on Aug 16, 2019 19:07:42 GMT
Can I just point out that I personally know 2 members of last seasons Macc team, who also have not been paid any wages since April. The owner is a shithouse and they consider that Campbell has a race agenda, so stop all this PC bollocks.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 16, 2019 19:28:28 GMT
Do we have any figures on how many professional English black players there have been compared to white players over the past 30 years for example? Being as this country is predominantly white, I’d imagine the percentage leaning to white players is quite high. Also do we have any figures on how many black players have wanted to continue their career in management, completed the correct badges compared to white players? If no to both then let’s be honest it’s all a irrelevant. That said any talk of using race as an opportunity to develop self interest is clearly unheard of. Sol wouldn’t do that... Incase I have to say it, I really couldn’t careless whose black or white. I dislike everyone equally. To quote Fulton Mackay from Porridge, 'I treat you all with equal contempt'.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 16, 2019 21:11:35 GMT
Can I just point out that I personally know 2 members of last seasons Macc team, who also have not been paid any wages since April. The owner is a shithouse and they consider that Campbell has a race agenda, so stop all this PC bollocks. Prove that you know 2 Macc players who say that Sol Campbell has got a race agenda. If you are going to make such an accusation, then prove it. Don't hide behind your anonymity if you are going to make accusations like that. Everyone knows that Macc players have not been paid, it's in the news. 6 of them are taking them to court. Most of the players who have not been paid have left, so what do you think of them? You don't seem to be aware of that which is a bit strange since you supposed to know them and they give you all this amazing inside info. Send me the names of the Macc players you know by PM. Are you sure you are not the one with the race agenda? What do you mean by race agenda anyway? Does it refer to someone who calls out the issue when they feel they have been a subjected to it?
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2019 22:36:27 GMT
He has one of the greatest minds in football according to himself. The bloke is a fucking absolute cretin. I don't give a fuck about him leaving Macc. He's just another ex footballer who thinks he's entitled to anything he wants and stamps his feet when he doesn't get it. H So, Andy, let's say we sack Jones next week and PC unveils Sol as the new Manager..... you'll stop going to games ? That's a fairly loaded question, and a fairly wank one at that. I didn't like Rowett, thought he was a twat, didn't stop me going. I didn't like Alan Ball or Mick Mills thought they were arrogant twats, didn't stop me going Even Pulis first time around and into his second term until he became an utter tool didn't stop me. If you are asking to remind me of the time I boycotted home games then it is irrelavant. If Campbell comes to Stoke he will get the same chance Nathan Jones has been afforded, perhaps a bit more for positive discrimination purposes and so some faceless entity like SpittheDog can't accuse me of being racist. In general u don't need to like someone to give them a chance. The minute they turn on the fans is when they have no rights! H
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 16, 2019 22:52:51 GMT
If you look at the England Euro squad for 2004 and those players that wanted to coach or manage following retirement Sol has a very solid case. Both Neville brothers have been handed top managerial posts. Lampard and Gerrard handed top managerial posts Terry and Rooney handed top coaching jobs. Scholes handed the first job he was interested in (but walked away and didn't receive anything like the criticism Campbell is!!). Institutionalised racism?
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