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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 13, 2019 20:38:45 GMT
I think after spending £60million on new footballers to get out of this division, a bit of entitlement is the very least I would expect. Yet another post with an undertone of 'it's the fans fault'. Utter cack son. Because spending lots of money always leads to success? No but it is an indicative factor and a likely predictor of success. See any statistic in any league and/or in any sport. There is no better predictor of success than expenditure. It suggests higher level of investment and in terms of capitalism often refers to eclipsing your competition.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 13, 2019 21:00:40 GMT
Like the man said, if that's how you feel, why bother going. It doesn't do you any good, it doesn't do your fellow supporters who have taken the time and paid for transport, tickets and food, and it sure doesn't help the team you are supposedly "supporting". Firstly, I don’t boo the team at matches so you’re asking the wrong person Secondly, I understand the atmosphere at Charlton was excellent so I don’t know what you’re on about Thirdly, at QPR every single person around me was fed up - mumbling to the person next to them. Even the happy clappy end couldn’t muster a song. It’s just another have a pop at the fans post and I really don’t believe that you can have sat through the QPR game happily clapping away. But trying to explain it away as anything other than it’s because we have been absolutely shite for a long time is pointless. Firstly, substitute one/one's for you/your. It was never intended to be specifically you. Secondly, OP was commenting on what he sees as a long running trend at AWAY games. Thirdly, I still cannot fathom how you one can go out of their way to participate in something that obviously brings them no joy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:02:58 GMT
Firstly, I don’t boo the team at matches so you’re asking the wrong person Secondly, I understand the atmosphere at Charlton was excellent so I don’t know what you’re on about Thirdly, at QPR every single person around me was fed up - mumbling to the person next to them. Even the happy clappy end couldn’t muster a song. It’s just another have a pop at the fans post and I really don’t believe that you can have sat through the QPR game happily clapping away. But trying to explain it away as anything other than it’s because we have been absolutely shite for a long time is pointless. Firstly, substitute one/one's for you/your. It was never intended to be specifically you. Secondly, OP was commenting on what he sees as a long running trend at AWAY games. Thirdly, I still cannot fathom how you one can go out of their way to participate in something that obviously brings them no joy. Do you go to away games? I didn’t go to Charlton but I went to most last season and since NJ came I can’t remember one where the support wasn’t great. It’s better than home games. Miles better. The only one which turned nasty was Bolton with Rowett. So clearly neither you or the OP go to away games or you would know that it is bollocks.
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 13, 2019 21:22:17 GMT
I've found it quite interesting in that our older and younger supporters are in the "moaning or frustrated bracket" and a lot of our supporters who were born between say 1975-85 are in the "back the club get behind the lads no matter what bracket" 2 of our 3 generations have grown up with Stoke being a top flight side and are now frustrated, angry and impatient at wanting to see a swift return. Our middle generation were different, growing up knowing stoke as a 2nd/3rd tier team and are now back in their perceived comfort zone of little old Stoke and wanting to see us punching above our weight. I was born in 1990 so I feel inbetween generations here of having roughly half of my supporting life in the top flight but now back to where it all started. I appreciate that this is a huge stereotype but that's kind of how I've seen it develop and dont think it's far off. I was born in the 2000s, Stoke have been pretty much a stapled Premier League team for me and many kids around my age. Now I can't speak for everyone but it seems that most 2000s born Stokies have lost interest in the club through raw disappointment, anger, and confusion from the past year. Personally i'm getting "behind the lads", i'll support Stoke no matter what - i'm not bothered what league we're in I just love the club. But for my whole life i've been ridiculed for supporting Stoke by children my age (mostly Arsenal,Chelsea,Man U,Spurs,Liverpool and Man City "supporters") and I think some Stokies my age currently just keeping our club loyalty "secret". (I'm Stoke loud and proud, couldnt give a toss what others think)
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Post by fazza90 on Aug 13, 2019 21:58:27 GMT
I said a similar thing to my old man after we both went to the Charlton game. I get that people expect better and the budget we have we should rightly be performing better than we are; but the OP has something in that after Butland let in the first goal and had about 100 people all screaming & gesturing all sorts of nonsense at him - I feel like it wouldn't have been the same 10 years ago & there does seem to be more of a culture of 'listen to me scream abuse at this person & how loud I can do it' & people feed off that. I don't know, I can't put me finger on it but the general attitude of away support has changed since the premiership days & it's not for the better.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 14, 2019 1:55:47 GMT
Turned us into a bunch of arrogant, entitled, egotistical arseholes - everything we used to (rightly) hate about fans of clubs like Arsenal. It's no wonder fans of other Championship clubs hold us in utter contempt when we swan round like we own the place and splutter inanely when we get beaten once again by one of the "lesser" teams. To be honest we deserve every piss take and derisive comment that comes our way - and the situation will only improve when we show the league and the other teams in it the respect they deserve. Swanning around like we own the place? I take it you weren’t around for the Macari years mate. Stoke fans properly took the piss at pretty much every away club we visited....and it had nowt to do with being spoiled.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 14, 2019 2:15:27 GMT
Firstly, substitute one/one's for you/your. It was never intended to be specifically you. Secondly, OP was commenting on what he sees as a long running trend at AWAY games. Thirdly, I still cannot fathom how you one can go out of their way to participate in something that obviously brings them no joy. Do you go to away games? I didn’t go to Charlton but I went to most last season and since NJ came I can’t remember one where the support wasn’t great. It’s better than home games. Miles better. The only one which turned nasty was Bolton with Rowett. So clearly neither you or the OP go to away games or you would know that it is bollocks. Of course not! However, I was not commenting on the game but what the OP said he had noticed. Are you saying there aren't any people who shout out abuse at the team? If you want to call the OP a liar, that's your prerogative, but shows a total lack of respect when you have no idea whatsoever of what he has witnessed.
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Post by hawth121087 on Aug 14, 2019 6:32:44 GMT
I do hope the constant barrage of abuse does the trick and convinces the team to demonstrate a display that we are all proud of. They are professional footballers being paid millions of pounds a week who can’t defend and can’t score and can only pass the ball around midfield at no great speed (and then only some of the time accurately). They shouldn’t need convincing. For what it’s worth I don’t blame the players, I think they are being hung out to dry in a system they are not suited to by the manager. I just don’t get the “blame the fans”. The fans were behind them on Saturday as I understand it and were at QPR at the start - everyone wants to get behind them but they are doing naff all to help the situation making basic errors week after week after week. Which stoke players are paid ‘millions of pounds per week?’
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 6:42:11 GMT
Do you go to away games? I didn’t go to Charlton but I went to most last season and since NJ came I can’t remember one where the support wasn’t great. It’s better than home games. Miles better. The only one which turned nasty was Bolton with Rowett. So clearly neither you or the OP go to away games or you would know that it is bollocks. Of course not! However, I was not commenting on the game but what the OP said he had noticed. Are you saying there aren't any people who shout out abuse at the team? If you want to call the OP a liar, that's your prerogative, but shows a total lack of respect when you have no idea whatsoever of what he has witnessed. It’s a football match not a library. Find a set of fans that don’t. Most other fans have said the support was excellent at Charlton so clearly you’re happy to jump on the OPs bandwagon which is the minority view of the support at Charlton just to have another pop at other fans when you weren’t even there either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 6:42:55 GMT
They are professional footballers being paid millions of pounds a week who can’t defend and can’t score and can only pass the ball around midfield at no great speed (and then only some of the time accurately). They shouldn’t need convincing. For what it’s worth I don’t blame the players, I think they are being hung out to dry in a system they are not suited to by the manager. I just don’t get the “blame the fans”. The fans were behind them on Saturday as I understand it and were at QPR at the start - everyone wants to get behind them but they are doing naff all to help the situation making basic errors week after week after week. Which stoke players are paid ‘millions of pounds per week?’ Clearly it’s a typo and meant to say year but if it gives your moment please continue.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 14, 2019 10:52:32 GMT
Well for sure the years in the Prem created super high expectations from a lot of fans. Survival was not enough and Ambition became more important and it wasn't long ago Bojan was talking about the Champions League in the Telegraph. I also think the media played a big role in our perception of ourselves, constantly being told how well we were being run and how we were the benchmark, model club etc. So it seems like such a massive public fall from grace to where we are now, can't really blame people for being pissed off, we got used to all that good stuff and feel entitled to it in a way... Can flip it to a positive that fans are still passionate and most importantly ambitious and will make the club know that their voices are heard so we don't have another disaster again under their watch. The support is there which is fantastic, well done to everyone who attends and voices their opinions
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 14, 2019 20:04:23 GMT
Of course not! However, I was not commenting on the game but what the OP said he had noticed. Are you saying there aren't any people who shout out abuse at the team? If you want to call the OP a liar, that's your prerogative, but shows a total lack of respect when you have no idea whatsoever of what he has witnessed. It’s a football match not a library. Find a set of fans that don’t. Most other fans have said the support was excellent at Charlton so clearly you’re happy to jump on the OPs bandwagon which is the minority view of the support at Charlton just to have another pop at other fans when you weren’t even there either. Have you taken a poll? Or are you just jumping to another incorrect assumption that it is the minority view? Of course I wasn't there, I don't live in Europe let alone the UK. I'm not "having a pop" at other fans, merely pointing out that it is a special kind of masochism to spend hundreds of Pounds and many hours of inconvenience simply to watch something that enrages one so much that one is driven to shout obscenities in front of thousands of other people. Sounds really special to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 20:57:21 GMT
It’s a football match not a library. Find a set of fans that don’t. Most other fans have said the support was excellent at Charlton so clearly you’re happy to jump on the OPs bandwagon which is the minority view of the support at Charlton just to have another pop at other fans when you weren’t even there either. Have you taken a poll? Or are you just jumping to another incorrect assumption that it is the minority view? Of course I wasn't there, I don't live in Europe let alone the UK. I'm not "having a pop" at other fans, merely pointing out that it is a special kind of masochism to spend hundreds of Pounds and many hours of inconvenience simply to watch something that enrages one so much that one is driven to shout obscenities in front of thousands of other people. Sounds really special to me. As I said, you spend all week convincing yourself it can't possible be as bad as last week, this week things will finally click, generally you're already half way there before the team sheet is even released and you could have considered your decision on the basis of that . I don't believe anyone wants to go wanting it to be awful and at away games, in my experience, there's the odd nutcase who loses his shit for about 5 minutes before his mate tells him to get a grip but generally people are in much better spirits (probably because everyone's a more drunk than at home games). You go because you go with your friends and your family, to see the people who've had season tickets next to you or you've gone to games with your whole life. No-one goes wanting to be enraged or expecting to be enraged. Generally our support will get behind the team as long as they can see they are making an effort but they don't tend to tolerate 1) the same school boy errors week after week and 2) a blatant lack of effort - and that's what we've been dealing with and that's why its so bad. It's nothing to do with feeling entitled or because we were in the premiership it's because its been absolutely shocking.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 14, 2019 21:10:07 GMT
Turned us into a bunch of arrogant, entitled, egotistical arseholes - everything we used to (rightly) hate about fans of clubs like Arsenal. It's no wonder fans of other Championship clubs hold us in utter contempt when we swan round like we own the place and splutter inanely when we get beaten once again by one of the "lesser" teams. To be honest we deserve every piss take and derisive comment that comes our way - and the situation will only improve when we show the league and the other teams in it the respect they deserve. Speak for yourself
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 8:04:08 GMT
Our away support is pretty fucking good for a club of our size if you ask me, especially when you consider how shit we have been for the majority of our away supporting lives.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 15, 2019 8:52:45 GMT
Turned us into a bunch of arrogant, entitled, egotistical arseholes - everything we used to (rightly) hate about fans of clubs like Arsenal. It's no wonder fans of other Championship clubs hold us in utter contempt when we swan round like we own the place and splutter inanely when we get beaten once again by one of the "lesser" teams. To be honest we deserve every piss take and derisive comment that comes our way - and the situation will only improve when we show the league and the other teams in it the respect they deserve. Spot on
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Post by jarhead on Aug 15, 2019 8:59:29 GMT
Doubled it!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 15, 2019 9:06:11 GMT
Indeed, I still don't know why people long for the days of 12,000 rolling up for a home game. Seeing the ground full after so many years of basically having a row between 3-4 people still makes me happy even though people some seem to resent it.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 15, 2019 9:09:12 GMT
Indeed, I still don't know why people long for the days of 12,000 rolling up for a home game. Seeing the ground full after so many years of basically having a row between 3-4 people still makes me happy even though people some seem to resent it. Exactly. People longed for the Championshit and low gates!! Fuckin backward I tell ya and sums up the mentality tbh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:35:31 GMT
Turned us into a bunch of arrogant, entitled, egotistical arseholes - everything we used to (rightly) hate about fans of clubs like Arsenal. It's no wonder fans of other Championship clubs hold us in utter contempt when we swan round like we own the place and splutter inanely when we get beaten once again by one of the "lesser" teams. To be honest we deserve every piss take and derisive comment that comes our way - and the situation will only improve when we show the league and the other teams in it the respect they deserve. What a load of bollocks.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 15, 2019 14:28:33 GMT
I said a similar thing to my old man after we both went to the Charlton game. I get that people expect better and the budget we have we should rightly be performing better than we are; but the OP has something in that after Butland let in the first goal and had about 100 people all screaming & gesturing all sorts of nonsense at him - I feel like it wouldn't have been the same 10 years ago & there does seem to be more of a culture of 'listen to me scream abuse at this person & how loud I can do it' & people feed off that. I don't know, I can't put me finger on it but the general attitude of away support has changed since the premiership days & it's not for the better. Nothing like a bunch of overweight miserable cunts telling a professional footballer how they should play the game.
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Post by fazza90 on Aug 15, 2019 17:31:20 GMT
I said a similar thing to my old man after we both went to the Charlton game. I get that people expect better and the budget we have we should rightly be performing better than we are; but the OP has something in that after Butland let in the first goal and had about 100 people all screaming & gesturing all sorts of nonsense at him - I feel like it wouldn't have been the same 10 years ago & there does seem to be more of a culture of 'listen to me scream abuse at this person & how loud I can do it' & people feed off that. I don't know, I can't put me finger on it but the general attitude of away support has changed since the premiership days & it's not for the better. Nothing like a bunch of overweight miserable cunts telling a professional footballer how they should play the game. Not forgetting the hundreds of people giving Nathan dogs abuse when he came over to clap the fans at the end.
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Post by santy on Aug 15, 2019 21:03:07 GMT
I don't think the premier league is as much to blame other than what comes with it. Nearly a billion pounds worth of income during our tenure there, and after relegation still assembling and owning the most expensive squad to have played in the Championship ever.
We've got every advantage you can think of, yet since we've come down its basically been a case of bragging about having a foot long cock but it doesn't work.
There's bound to be frustration. The biggest worry is going to be the EFL potentially trying to have a field day with us over FFP soon. They're dicks at the best of times, and sadly because Coates several years back legitimately moved the ownership of the stadium and training ground to another company to prevent issues should there be financial difficulties one day he can't now buy it off the club for £80m or so to top up our finances.
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