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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 22, 2019 6:24:27 GMT
Don’t want to sound boastful or anything but every time we’ve played you since you came down, he’s been bossed by Ben Pearson. You’d be better cashing in on him and your other ex-Prem characters and finding actual effective player who are willing to go toe to toe physically and mentally with seasoned and aggressive Championship players. Ben Pearson is a proper player mate, brave and clever on the ball, for a small lad he is strong and wins possession back very well. He is clever off the ball too, he will take a yellow card to stop a counter attack. Superb shithouse wish we had him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 7:08:37 GMT
The way he chickened out of the challenge for the first goal was a disgrace. We will continue to plummet down the football league pyramid as long as we continue to build our team around Joe Allen. It was even worse than that, he didn't chicken out he thought he could just wait for the ball to come to him as if the Preston players were just going to stand there and let it happen.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 22, 2019 7:09:52 GMT
The way he chickened out of the challenge for the first goal was a disgrace. We will continue to plummet down the football league pyramid as long as we continue to build our team around Joe Allen. It was even worse than that, he didn't chicken out he thought he could just wait for the ball to come to it as if the Preston players were just going to stand there and let it happen. I'd go one further - I dont even think he was aware of the player until it was too late. Needs dropping.
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Aug 22, 2019 7:14:42 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2019 7:14:42 GMT
A few months ago I posted a lengthy stats based post about Joe Allen that demonstrated he was an average midfielder in this league in nearly all facets. One of the players I cited as doing a much better job at breaking up play and being a nuisance but retaining the ball which is Joe’s weakness was Ben Pearson. Last night he completely destroyed him because he is by far a better player than Joe at his defensive job. Sooner that is realised, we will instantly take a step to improve. Joe wasn’t alone by any means but he’s been around nearly everything we’ve done badly this year.
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Aug 22, 2019 7:16:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:16:18 GMT
A few months ago I posted a lengthy stats based post about Joe Allen that demonstrated he was an average midfielder in this league in nearly all facets. One of the players I cited as doing a much better job at breaking up play and being a nuisance but retaining the ball which is Joe’s weakness was Ben Pearson. Last night he completely destroyed him because he is by far a better player than Joe at his defensive job. Sooner that is realised, we will instantly take a step to improve. Joe wasn’t alone by any means but he’s been around nearly everything we’ve done badly this year. I think it says it all that there appeared to be absolutely no interest in him during the summer.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2019 7:55:47 GMT
A few months ago I posted a lengthy stats based post about Joe Allen that demonstrated he was an average midfielder in this league in nearly all facets. One of the players I cited as doing a much better job at breaking up play and being a nuisance but retaining the ball which is Joe’s weakness was Ben Pearson. Last night he completely destroyed him because he is by far a better player than Joe at his defensive job. Sooner that is realised, we will instantly take a step to improve. Joe wasn’t alone by any means but he’s been around nearly everything we’ve done badly this year. I think it says it all that there appeared to be absolutely no interest in him during the summer. Yep, absolutely zilch. Which in 2019, with social media the way it exists is absolutely astounding but indicative of the fact he's been pure meh for 2 years.
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Aug 22, 2019 8:19:06 GMT
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 22, 2019 8:19:06 GMT
Don’t want to sound boastful or anything but every time we’ve played you since you came down, he’s been bossed by Ben Pearson. You’d be better cashing in on him and your other ex-Prem characters and finding actual effective player who are willing to go toe to toe physically and mentally with seasoned and aggressive Championship players. Bossing Joe Allen isn’t anything to boast about, he’s complete and utter toss. I’ve always been impressed with Pearson, although last night I didn’t really think he was anything special. Johnson and Gallagher were very impressive though.
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Post by RAF on Aug 22, 2019 8:42:16 GMT
Don’t want to sound boastful or anything but every time we’ve played you since you came down, he’s been bossed by Ben Pearson. You’d be better cashing in on him and your other ex-Prem characters and finding actual effective player who are willing to go toe to toe physically and mentally with seasoned and aggressive Championship players. Genius idea, no one in the history of the world has thought about that on here. The only problem being, no fucker wants them! H
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 22, 2019 8:45:16 GMT
Don’t want to sound boastful or anything but every time we’ve played you since you came down, he’s been bossed by Ben Pearson. You’d be better cashing in on him and your other ex-Prem characters and finding actual effective player who are willing to go toe to toe physically and mentally with seasoned and aggressive Championship players. Bossing Joe Allen isn’t anything to boast about, he’s complete and utter toss. I’ve always been impressed with Pearson, although last night I didn’t really think he was anything special. Johnson and Gallagher were very impressive though. Gallagher always plays well against us
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 22, 2019 8:47:34 GMT
If he is picked to play v Leeds,there really is something going on we don't know about,regarding Allen.
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Aug 22, 2019 8:50:18 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 22, 2019 8:50:18 GMT
If he is picked to play v Leeds,there really is something going on we don't know about,regarding Allen. Said the same thing on Twitter last night. If he starts on Saturday then serious questions need to be asked about the way the club is being run because it’s crystal clear players are not being picked on merit.
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Post by skelman on Aug 22, 2019 10:01:36 GMT
Unfortunately you can be the nicest, hardest working chap but if you're consistently off the pace, chasing shadows, being rolled over and ineffective then something has to give - right now!
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Aug 22, 2019 15:33:31 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 22, 2019 15:33:31 GMT
So another game has passed Joe Allen by, another game (like many) where he has not lived up to his ability ‘on paper’. About time we put Joe on the bench and made him earn his place back in the side. Maybe a kick up the arse will sort him out.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 22, 2019 15:43:31 GMT
He certainly needs a break just like Jack does! He is involved in too many of our conceded goals for my liking. As his attacking contribution hasn't been too impressive so far I'd expect him to make good defensive involvements, but at the moment he isn't. Time for the bench for Joe as well as I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 15:56:03 GMT
Joe Allen wrong side, ball watching and no challenge, and then Butland should do much better. Wide open yet again!!! The ball watching and being the wrong side is a trait Allen repeats time and again
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Post by serpico on Aug 23, 2019 14:25:12 GMT
I’ll be flabbergasted if Allen isn’t in the team tomorrow, I think jones sees him as a mainstay no matter what.
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 23, 2019 15:10:02 GMT
If he does start tomorrow then it's down to one of the following.
1. There's a clause in his contract that we don't know about saying he has to start when fit. 2. Jones knows nothing about football. 3. Coates doesn't want one of our highest paid players left on the bench. 4. Every other midfielder at the club is injured.
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Post by pushon on Aug 23, 2019 15:27:27 GMT
If he does start tomorrow then it's down to one of the following. 1. There's a clause in his contract that we don't know about saying he has to start when fit. 2. Jones knows nothing about football. 3. Coates doesn't want one of our highest paid players left on the bench. 4. Every other midfielder at the club is injured. Hmm, I must admit that I'm an admirer of Joes terrier like qualities, but maybe he does need taking out of the firing line for a while. But Woods was subbed at half-time for being absolutely hopeless. I'd prefer an out of form Joe to a liability like Woods
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 23, 2019 15:33:35 GMT
If he does start tomorrow then it's down to one of the following. 1. There's a clause in his contract that we don't know about saying he has to start when fit. 2. Jones knows nothing about football. 3. Coates doesn't want one of our highest paid players left on the bench. 4. Every other midfielder at the club is injured. Hmm, I must admit that I'm an admirer of Joes terrier like qualities, but maybe he does need taking out of the firing line for a while. But Woods was subbed at half-time for being absolutely hopeless. I'd prefer an out of form Joe to a liability like Woods It’s the terrier like qualities that is the problem leaves far too much room behind him that’s why we are battered through the middle all the time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 15:34:13 GMT
I’ll be flabbergasted if Allen isn’t in the team tomorrow, I think jones sees him as a mainstay no matter what. That could end up costing him his job then.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 23, 2019 15:34:23 GMT
If he does start tomorrow then it's down to one of the following. 1. There's a clause in his contract that we don't know about saying he has to start when fit. 2. Jones knows nothing about football. 3. Coates doesn't want one of our highest paid players left on the bench. 4. Every other midfielder at the club is injured. Does anyone genuinely believe there are clauses that state "if fit he must play?" Seriously, come on.
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Post by pushon on Aug 23, 2019 16:02:34 GMT
Hmm, I must admit that I'm an admirer of Joes terrier like qualities, but maybe he does need taking out of the firing line for a while. But Woods was subbed at half-time for being absolutely hopeless. I'd prefer an out of form Joe to a liability like Woods It’s the terrier like qualities that is the problem leaves far too much room behind him that’s why we are battered through the middle all the time I can't disagree with that but you have to include: Etebo,Clucas and Woods under that banner.None of them are strong enough to consistenly win the ball.
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 23, 2019 16:04:52 GMT
It’s the terrier like qualities that is the problem leaves far too much room behind him that’s why we are battered through the middle all the time I can't disagree with that but you have to include: Etebo,Clucas and Woods under that banner.None of them are strong enough to consistenly win the ball. Totally agree that’s why we should have brought a ball winner like semi Ajayi midfield is the problem position has been for years
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Post by mcw on Aug 23, 2019 16:20:04 GMT
Woods was taken off because they knew he was supposed to be the heartbeat of the team, transitioning the ball from the back 4 to midfield/forwards and or wing backs. It would appear that we thought Preston were going to let us boss them and therefore we would not need a scraper at the base of the "diamond". What actually happened is that they got in our faces and stuck a man on Woods specifically to stop us transitioning. We need somebody who can distribute like Woods but is also a strong and ruthless bastard and in a game like Preston can out muscle and win his one on one battle if that is what it turns into. We are and have been for way too long far too lightweight in midfield, there is plenty of endeavor from Clucas/Etebo/Allen and Woods but they are completely out of their depth in terms of the physicality of some teams. Better teams will try and play their own game, we will get some joy from that as it means they are not trying to stop what we are trying to do- see Derby. You have to hope and pray in those games though that we take our chances and don't concede good awful goals. The problem is that I don't see us being able to compete with any team in the lower reaches of the league as they will come and do a job on us and bully us off the park.
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Post by pushon on Aug 23, 2019 16:35:34 GMT
Woods was taken off because they knew he was supposed to be the heartbeat of the team, transitioning the ball from the back 4 to midfield/forwards and or wing backs. It would appear that we thought Preston were going to let us boss them and therefore we would not need a scraper at the base of the "diamond". What actually happened is that they got in our faces and stuck a man on Woods specifically to stop us transitioning. We need somebody who can distribute like Woods but is also a strong and ruthless bastard and in a game like Preston can out muscle and win his one on one battle if that is what it turns into. We are and have been for way too long far too lightweight in midfield, there is plenty of endeavor from Clucas/Etebo/Allen and Woods but they are completely out of their depth in terms of the physicality of some teams. Better teams will try and play their own game, we will get some joy from that as it means they are not trying to stop what we are trying to do- see Derby. You have to hope and pray in those games though that we take our chances and don't concede good awful goals. The problem is that I don't see us being able to compete with any team in the lower reaches of the league as they will come and do a job on us and bully us off the park. I bow to your superior interpretation, kinda what I meant but more succinctly put.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 23, 2019 17:01:02 GMT
We all thought Etebo would fix things though. Yet he came on, delivered on a plate to their striker and promptly killed the game. And while Allen did fuck things up, that is actually more than Clucas did. He didn't get near enough to the ball to make a mistake.
Allen should be dropped but right now we appear to be cursed. Everything a Stoke player does turns to shit.
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
Should have played Allen today 😄
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