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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2019 15:50:27 GMT
Hopefully now Jones will give Woods a good run in the CDM role. Against QPR, Cousins ran around a bit, never seemed to be in the right position, occasionally hoofed the ball aimlessly upfield, and gave away lots of niggly fouls. Woods against Charlton was a different matter, attempting to play his proper game of deep-lying playmaker and looking to find team-mates with accurate passes. I always wonder if Rowett thought he was buying a 'destroyer' type of CDM and insisted that he play that way, which is maybe why his form soon collapsed? His form collapsed when Jones came in. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-woods/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/232897/plus/0?saison=2018&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=He didn't really play enough for his form to collapse under Jones though. He started his first game against Brentford, then was very rarely seen after that. He seemed to get worse and worse under Rowett. People were purring about him after his first couple of games, he got the captaincy for about a month, then his form gradually went down the toilet.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2019 15:51:15 GMT
Hopefully now Jones will give Woods a good run in the CDM role. Against QPR, Cousins ran around a bit, never seemed to be in the right position, occasionally hoofed the ball aimlessly upfield, and gave away lots of niggly fouls. Woods against Charlton was a different matter, attempting to play his proper game of deep-lying playmaker and looking to find team-mates with accurate passes. I always wonder if Rowett thought he was buying a 'destroyer' type of CDM and insisted that he play that way, which is maybe why his form soon collapsed? His form collapsed when Jones came in. No it didn't. His form went way before that. He deserves another chance now though as the alternative is Cousins. Stick to the facts.
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Post by femark on Aug 12, 2019 15:58:03 GMT
Doesn't sound like he'll make that mistake again. Also pleased he's quickly realised Cousins isn't any fucking use whatsoever. So that's 3 of his own signings he's already realised aren't any use - Cousins, Davies and Vokes. I wonder how many more they'll be. My guess is Ward and Smith will be the next 2 for the chop. Saying he’s realised that some of his own signings aren’t of any use is an incredibly narrow (and I would suggest incorrect) way of looking at it. It’s a squad name and just because he’s dropped a few or hasn’t played them doesn’t necessarily mean they’re useless. It’s a squad game and it’s up to them to perform and keep their place, they’ll get chances to prove themselves again. FFS don't start saying reasonable things that don't suit other peoples negative agenda's, you'll be shot!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 16:33:54 GMT
Doesn't sound like he'll make that mistake again. Also pleased he's quickly realised Cousins isn't any fucking use whatsoever. So that's 3 of his own signings he's already realised aren't any use - Cousins, Davies and Vokes. I wonder how many more they'll be. My guess is Ward and Smith will be the next 2 for the chop. He's said nothing of the kind. He rotated six players vs. Charlton, but vs Leeds or Derby he's just as likely to rotate further. Which could his next big mistake and one that he's not likely to apologise for, because he's got a much bigger squad than he planned for and he has to keep them all happy.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 12, 2019 16:43:38 GMT
And fair play for admitting it! He has gone up further in my estimation. There are few bosses who admit they have made an error and apologise.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 12, 2019 16:48:39 GMT
Nathan is very likeable. I just wish he knew how to win a game of football more often
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 12, 2019 16:50:41 GMT
Doesn't sound like he'll make that mistake again. Also pleased he's quickly realised Cousins isn't any fucking use whatsoever. So that's 3 of his own signings he's already realised aren't any use - Cousins, Davies and Vokes. I wonder how many more they'll be. My guess is Ward and Smith will be the next 2 for the chop. He's said nothing of the kind. He rotated six players vs. Charlton, but vs Leeds or Derby he's just as likely to rotate further. Which could his next big mistake and one that he's not likely to apologise for, because he's got a much bigger squad than he planned for and he has to keep them all happy. I don't get this 'much bigger squad than he planned for'. He hasn't. Stop counting Wimmer, Diouf, Imbula, Bauer to try to criticise him, as they are not in his squad. They are at the club but no more than that. BMI and Ndiaye are both uncertain and seem highly likely to leave in this window. He wanted 20-21 outfield players plus a few of the young ones - that was what he said from the word go. His squad after that in terms of outfield players - Edwards, Smith, McClean, Ward, Shawcross, Batth, Lindsay, Collins, Carter-Vickers, Cousins, Woods, Sorensen, Etebo, Allen, Clucas, Duffy, Ince, Powell, Verlinden, Vokes, Hogan, Gregory, Campbell. By my count, even counting BMI and Ndiaye (which I don't think we should), he's at 23 excluding Collins, Sorensen and Campbell (his young ones). Hardly "much bigger than he planned for".
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Post by ColonelMustard on Aug 12, 2019 17:26:00 GMT
Credit goes to the manager for Woods playing well and for admitting a mistake. Both bode well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 17:37:54 GMT
He's said nothing of the kind. He rotated six players vs. Charlton, but vs Leeds or Derby he's just as likely to rotate further. Which could his next big mistake and one that he's not likely to apologise for, because he's got a much bigger squad than he planned for and he has to keep them all happy. I don't get this 'much bigger squad than he planned for'. He hasn't. Stop counting Wimmer, Diouf, Imbula, Bauer to try to criticise him, as they are not in his squad. They are at the club but no more than that. BMI and Ndiaye are both uncertain and seem highly likely to leave in this window. He wanted 20-21 outfield players plus a few of the young ones - that was what he said from the word go. His squad after that in terms of outfield players - Edwards, Smith, McClean, Ward, Shawcross, Batth, Lindsay, Collins, Carter-Vickers, Cousins, Woods, Sorensen, Etebo, Allen, Clucas, Duffy, Ince, Powell, Verlinden, Vokes, Hogan, Gregory, Campbell. By my count, even counting BMI and Ndiaye (which I don't think we should), he's at 23 excluding Collins, Sorensen and Campbell (his young ones). Hardly "much bigger than he planned for". Yeah, I agree. I've read a few times that Jones hasn't kept his word about the squad size, but we're not far off from what he said he wanted/was going to do, are we? “We will only work with 20, so it will be the elite 20 that we work with and three goalkeepers to make it 23,” Jones outlined.“Then anyone else who does fantastically well in pre-season will go into that, but anyone else, well, we will have those decisions to make.Outfield players with squad numbers (so far): Tom Edwards Stephen Ward Joe Allen Liam Lindsay Danny Batth Tom Ince Peter Etebo Sam Vokes James McClean Tommy Smith Bruno Martins Indi Ryan Shawcross Lee Gregory Sam Clucas Thibaud Verlinden Jordan Cousins Nick Powell Tyrese Campbell Badou Ndiaye Cameron Carter-Vickers Mark Duffy Scott Hogan Ryan Woods That's 23. When you remove Shawcross because of his injury and the, let's face it, highly likely departure of BMI, that's 21. Collins will come in and secure a number I reckon, so that's 22. Ndiaye is an incredibly odd one - I'd say he's very likely to leave but Jones keeps talking about him as though he's very much in his thinking. I still think he'll go though and we'll be back to just 21 outfield players. This 'he's got a much bigger squad than he said he was going to have' is, well, rubbish.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 12, 2019 17:41:05 GMT
Mourinho used to admit to mistakes but in a different way. He'd make a change after about 20 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 17:44:02 GMT
Credit goes to the manager for Woods playing well and for admitting a mistake. Both bode well. Yep everyone makes mistakes and if you're open minded enough to learn from them that's always a good thing.Jones is really pretty inexperienced isn't he and it's as if he's learning on the job. Bringing on Duffy wasn't a mistake but taking Woods off was.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 18:01:09 GMT
He's said nothing of the kind. He rotated six players vs. Charlton, but vs Leeds or Derby he's just as likely to rotate further. Which could his next big mistake and one that he's not likely to apologise for, because he's got a much bigger squad than he planned for and he has to keep them all happy. I don't get this 'much bigger squad than he planned for'. He hasn't. Stop counting Wimmer, Diouf, Imbula, Bauer to try to criticise him, as they are not in his squad. They are at the club but no more than that. BMI and Ndiaye are both uncertain and seem highly likely to leave in this window. He wanted 20-21 outfield players plus a few of the young ones - that was what he said from the word go. His squad after that in terms of outfield players - Edwards, Smith, McClean, Ward, Shawcross, Batth, Lindsay, Collins, Carter-Vickers, Cousins, Woods, Sorensen, Etebo, Allen, Clucas, Duffy, Ince, Powell, Verlinden, Vokes, Hogan, Gregory, Campbell. By my count, even counting BMI and Ndiaye (which I don't think we should), he's at 23 excluding Collins, Sorensen and Campbell (his young ones). Hardly "much bigger than he planned for". At some point the 7 you mention will have to be accounted for. They're not all bad eggs. You can't just have that amount of players left virtually on the dole, especially if you want to sign players of a certain pedigree in the future. Those kind of players will think twice about joining a club with our new reputation. It could be argued that it's already happening. Very few of the players on Jones' wish list actually signed for us. There are probably any number of reasons why, but some will have looked at us and decided against a club where so many players get banished like that. I imagine that representatives from the PFA will want to whisper a few words into the ears of the chairmen that we aren't doing it the right way. We can avoid trouble by including them in the group and give them a clean slate. Who knows we might need a rwb or leftsided defender at some point.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2019 19:10:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 19:14:54 GMT
Honestly, I’ve had enough of the crap he comes out with. He didn’t play him at all last season and now he’s realised Cousins is a bit shit and has his tail between his legs.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2019 19:17:51 GMT
Honestly, I’ve had enough of the crap he comes out with. He didn’t play him at all last season and bows he’s realised Cousins is a bit shit and has his tail between his legs. That's a good sum up of the DM position.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 12, 2019 20:21:30 GMT
Did I see a reference to, ‘the cage’ I mean that should get some fans on board his journey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:25:37 GMT
Did I see a reference to, ‘the cage’ I mean that should get some fans on board his journey. “Defend the cage area better”...doesn’t even understand “the cage”. You don’t “defend the cage” you ARE the cage 🙄
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Post by Northy on Aug 12, 2019 20:31:28 GMT
Did I see a reference to, ‘the cage’ I mean that should get some fans on board his journey. “Defend the cage area better”...doesn’t even understand “the cage”. You don’t “defend the cage” you ARE the cage 🙄 There are different types of cages, some you can escape from
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:33:26 GMT
“Defend the cage area better”...doesn’t even understand “the cage”. You don’t “defend the cage” you ARE the cage 🙄 There are different types of cages, some you can escape from I preferred the old one!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 12, 2019 20:45:38 GMT
"He probably would have played the week before, but a few things were going on which are now dead and buried.” Eh? 🤔
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Post by neddy on Aug 12, 2019 20:47:34 GMT
"He probably would have played the week before, but a few things were going on which are now dead and buried.” Eh? 🤔 Possible transfer?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:51:33 GMT
"He probably would have played the week before, but a few things were going on which are now dead and buried.” Eh? 🤔 Probably pissed him off by buying Cousins and begging N’Diaye to come back and making it obvious he didn’t want him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2019 21:01:04 GMT
"He probably would have played the week before, but a few things were going on which are now dead and buried.” Eh? 🤔 Transfer out
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 12, 2019 21:06:09 GMT
Afobe was central to his plans. One game in, he gets the boot.
Woods wasn't part of his plans, tried to sell him, one game in now he is part of his plans.
He's a likeable Gary Rowett.
Come on Nathan, show us that you have a clear idea about how you want this team to play. Four years. Four years we've been waiting to see stoke go into a match with a solid game plan
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 12, 2019 21:54:40 GMT
"He probably would have played the week before, but a few things were going on which are now dead and buried.” Eh? 🤔 Wasn’t there talk of him leaving?
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 12, 2019 22:17:07 GMT
Hes ok but im always cringing with what he might do....he did let charlton in few times with bad passing. (But so did allen a few times)....the team will be ok though after a few more games
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2019 23:40:42 GMT
Afobe was central to his plans. One game in, he gets the boot. Woods wasn't part of his plans, tried to sell him, one game in now he is part of his plans. He's a likeable Gary Rowett. Come on Nathan, show us that you have a clear idea about how you want this team to play. Four years. Four years we've been waiting to see stoke go into a match with a solid game plan Wasn't part of his plans but gave him a fair amount of pre-season and would have played the week before, doesn't sound like he wasn't in the plans, he's always said he wanted two for each position and not seemingly going after another DM shows that woods was the other. Rowett would have kept picking players regardless of performance just to spite people, Jones so far has shown none of that.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2019 23:43:08 GMT
Hes ok but im always cringing with what he might do....he did let charlton in few times with bad passing. (But so did allen a few times)....the team will be ok though after a few more games He did make his first ever tackle for us though, I was in shock
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2019 23:44:05 GMT
Afobe was central to his plans. One game in, he gets the boot. Woods wasn't part of his plans, tried to sell him, one game in now he is part of his plans. He's a likeable Gary Rowett. Come on Nathan, show us that you have a clear idea about how you want this team to play. Four years. Four years we've been waiting to see stoke go into a match with a solid game plan Gets the boot or asked to leave
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Post by britvic72 on Aug 13, 2019 7:21:27 GMT
Afobe was central to his plans. One game in, he gets the boot. Woods wasn't part of his plans, tried to sell him, one game in now he is part of his plans. He's a likeable Gary Rowett. Come on Nathan, show us that you have a clear idea about how you want this team to play. Four years. Four years we've been waiting to see stoke go into a match with a solid game plan Gets the boot or asked to leave Gets booed off the field so goes for the popular fan vote and ships out. Problem is the popularity amongst fans isn’t the way to go as the minority make the most noise and sheep follow to make it louder.
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