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Post by datguy on Aug 10, 2019 15:46:06 GMT
Controlling the game. Making the system look good. As soon as he goes off we collapse.
Poor management from Jones that - lost us the game. Getting Duffy on was by in large the correct substitution to make but should've been for Allen.
Frustrating.
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Post by Bagwash on Aug 10, 2019 15:49:03 GMT
He'd no need to change anything.Some of Jones' in game decisions baffle me.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 10, 2019 15:49:42 GMT
Love NJ but agree that was an error
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 10, 2019 15:51:01 GMT
He'd no need to change anything.Some of Jones' in game decisions baffle me. Going 4-4-2 in the second game after buying "your own players" to fit his own diamond system, now going 1 up front even losing 3-1.... It's all crap
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 10, 2019 15:51:53 GMT
And putting joe allen there is very poor judgement, why is he never taken off? He offers nothing!
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 10, 2019 15:55:01 GMT
That was the most pointless thing to do. Woods was having a very good game. Maybe NJ thought we were solid enough to take Woods off and go for it with Duffy. But we were the stronger side at the time of the substitution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 15:55:20 GMT
He'd no need to change anything.Some of Jones' in game decisions baffle me. Going 4-4-2 in the second game after buying "your own players" to fit his own diamond system, now going 1 up front even losing 3-1.... It's all crap I understand the second change, to bring on 3 attacking mids, but we were never going to make it effective when losing and chasing a game.
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Post by louis11 on Aug 10, 2019 15:55:41 GMT
Change now before we are playing too much catch-up - this defeat is solely due to his in-game changes
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 10, 2019 16:14:36 GMT
Woods is a footballer
If he doesn't come good at Stoke He will come good somewhere
What Nj has got against him, I have no idea
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Post by camstoke10 on Aug 10, 2019 16:21:29 GMT
Woods is a footballer If he doesn't come good at Stoke He will come good somewhere What Nj has got against him, I have no idea don’t be so pathetic, if jones had anythjng g against him he wouldn’t have played, he’s hardley played much football over the last year, and even when he did he wasn’t alwayd able to last the 90 mins but positive signs from woods today, can’t wait till etebo is back and hopefully Allen gets the boot
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 10, 2019 16:22:15 GMT
To be fair to him it was a postive change in terms of outlook just back fired massively.
Did the sub come with the change of formation or not? (I cant remember) because thats what killed it for us other than the goals
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:22:20 GMT
Love NJ but agree that was an error What do you love? And please be specific
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2019 16:24:27 GMT
As soon as Woods went of, there was zero protection for our defence from midfield.
Nobody tracked back. Allen was awful after Woods went off.
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Post by hooftastic on Aug 10, 2019 16:25:15 GMT
Woods is a footballer If he doesn't come good at Stoke He will come good somewhere What Nj has got against him, I have no idea don’t be so pathetic, if jones had anythjng g against him he wouldn’t have played, he’s hardley played much football over the last year, and even when he did he wasn’t alwayd able to last the 90 mins but positive signs from woods today, can’t wait till etebo is back and hopefully Allen gets the boot Not going to happen. Allen and McClean are nailed on starters when available.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:26:55 GMT
The biggest issue was bringing on Tyrese Campbell, who was appalling. I know it's a taboo to criticise the kids on here but our high press slowed right down instantly when he came on, and became non existent when Gregory went off. This is my biggest bugbear with our fans that slay the manager for not playing the kids. When they don't perform or make mistakes they are glossed over in the hunt for the managers head.
Collins last week and Campbell this week.
He needs to up his workrate off the ball. Compared to Lee Gregory and an unfit Hogan he was chalk and cheese.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 10, 2019 16:27:14 GMT
To be fair to him it was a postive change in terms of outlook just back fired massively. Did the sub come with the change of formation or not? (I cant remember) because thats what killed it for us other than the goals If you mean the Woods sub, he put Allen in Woods place and got Duffy to be CM but not sure if there was a change in formation, just a switch of players (that proved fatal)
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 10, 2019 16:28:01 GMT
Woods is a footballer If he doesn't come good at Stoke He will come good somewhere What Nj has got against him, I have no idea don’t be so pathetic, if jones had anythjng g against him he wouldn’t have played, he’s hardley played much football over the last year, and even when he did he wasn’t alwayd able to last the 90 mins but positive signs from woods today, can’t wait till etebo is back and hopefully Allen gets the boot He tried to replace him with Jordan cousins!
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Post by dastokie on Aug 10, 2019 16:29:14 GMT
Have been critical of Woods in the past.
Played well today. It seems we have to accommodate Mr Allen. Leave Woods there and swap Allen foe Etebo.
I have been saying this since he signed Allen runs a lot but quality is not there for creativity the start of our demise the sooner dropped the better.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 10, 2019 16:31:33 GMT
I think he thought it would help us be more attacking, it could have been fitness but hopefully he's learn't something from that sub.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2019 16:31:52 GMT
The thing I don’t get is today he made subs when we were doing well yet last week he did nothing till it was to late
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Post by thehoof on Aug 10, 2019 16:36:08 GMT
The biggest issue was bringing on Tyrese Campbell, who was appalling. I know it's a taboo to criticise the kids on here but our high press slowed right down instantly when he came on, and became non existent when Gregory went off. This is my biggest bugbear with our fans that slay the manager for not playing the kids. When they don't perform or make mistakes they are glossed over in the hunt for the managers head. Collins last week and Campbell this week. He needs to up his workrate off the ball. Compared to Lee Gregory and an unfit Hogan he was chalk and cheese. So as you point out, before Campbell came on we had two forwards on the pitch with Ince supporting very well from the tip of the Diamond Jones then goes to one forward, moves Ince out wide and leaves Allen doing the defensive midfield role which then sees one of the guys who he should be marking, ( the 3rd goal) left totally unmarked- yet this is Campbell’s fault? Things were going well until Jones had another Brain Fart with his substitutions ( principally taking Woods off) and change of shape. Even when the team is playing well (which they were), Jones has found a way to bigger it up. That is who you should point the finger at Onlooker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:38:27 GMT
The biggest issue was bringing on Tyrese Campbell, who was appalling. I know it's a taboo to criticise the kids on here but our high press slowed right down instantly when he came on, and became non existent when Gregory went off. This is my biggest bugbear with our fans that slay the manager for not playing the kids. When they don't perform or make mistakes they are glossed over in the hunt for the managers head. Collins last week and Campbell this week. He needs to up his workrate off the ball. Compared to Lee Gregory and an unfit Hogan he was chalk and cheese. So as you point out, before Campbell came on we had two forwards on the pitch with Ince supporting very well from the tip of the Diamond Jones then goes to one forward, moves Ince out wide and leaves Allen doing the defensive midfield role which then sees one of the guys who he should be marking, ( the 3rd goal) left totally unmarked- yet this is Campbell’s fault? Things were going well until Jones had another Brain Fart with his substitutions ( principally taking Woods off) and change of shape. Even when the team is playing well (which they were), Jones has found a way to bigger it up. That is who you should point the finger at Onlooker. He's playing a high press system that is set up to press from the front. If your high press stops the rest of the side falls down like a pack of cards. Campbell started the rot when he came on for his idle man routine. He needs to work harder else we are down to three forward options.
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Post by mrred on Aug 10, 2019 16:42:12 GMT
Joe Allen is contractually obliged to play every game wherever able. This much is clear. Regardless of his ability to affect any fucking game he plays in.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 10, 2019 16:54:05 GMT
So as you point out, before Campbell came on we had two forwards on the pitch with Ince supporting very well from the tip of the Diamond Jones then goes to one forward, moves Ince out wide and leaves Allen doing the defensive midfield role which then sees one of the guys who he should be marking, ( the 3rd goal) left totally unmarked- yet this is Campbell’s fault? Things were going well until Jones had another Brain Fart with his substitutions ( principally taking Woods off) and change of shape. Even when the team is playing well (which they were), Jones has found a way to bigger it up. That is who you should point the finger at Onlooker. He's playing a high press system that is set up to press from the front. If your high press stops the rest of the side falls down like a pack of cards. Campbell started the rot when he came on for his idle man routine. He needs to work harder else we are down to three forward options. Which bit of two forwards were doing it versus one forward left on his own are you struggling to grasp?Hence there is a spare defender to move the ball to- I guess a Time Lord can be in two places at one time, not many others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 17:00:47 GMT
Love NJ but agree that was an error Genuine question..... What do you actually love about him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 17:02:55 GMT
So as you point out, before Campbell came on we had two forwards on the pitch with Ince supporting very well from the tip of the Diamond Jones then goes to one forward, moves Ince out wide and leaves Allen doing the defensive midfield role which then sees one of the guys who he should be marking, ( the 3rd goal) left totally unmarked- yet this is Campbell’s fault? Things were going well until Jones had another Brain Fart with his substitutions ( principally taking Woods off) and change of shape. Even when the team is playing well (which they were), Jones has found a way to bigger it up. That is who you should point the finger at Onlooker. He's playing a high press system that is set up to press from the front. If your high press stops the rest of the side falls down like a pack of cards. Campbell started the rot when he came on for his idle man routine. He needs to work harder else we are down to three forward options. What are the excuses for Jones playing two statues up front last week in this supposed high press system hes playing?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 17:03:07 GMT
He's playing a high press system that is set up to press from the front. If your high press stops the rest of the side falls down like a pack of cards. Campbell started the rot when he came on for his idle man routine. He needs to work harder else we are down to three forward options. Which bit of two forwards were doing it versus one forward left on his own are you struggling to grasp?Hence there is a spare defender to move the ball to- I guess a Time Lord can be in two places at one time, not many others. Campbell came on in a front two before we switched to a one. He was appalling.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 17:05:05 GMT
The biggest issue was bringing on Tyrese Campbell, who was appalling. I know it's a taboo to criticise the kids on here but our high press slowed right down instantly when he came on, and became non existent when Gregory went off. This is my biggest bugbear with our fans that slay the manager for not playing the kids. When they don't perform or make mistakes they are glossed over in the hunt for the managers head. Collins last week and Campbell this week. He needs to up his workrate off the ball. Compared to Lee Gregory and an unfit Hogan he was chalk and cheese. Collins was our best player last week and needs reinstating into the side ASAP.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 10, 2019 17:07:00 GMT
Which bit of two forwards were doing it versus one forward left on his own are you struggling to grasp?Hence there is a spare defender to move the ball to- I guess a Time Lord can be in two places at one time, not many others. Campbell came on in a front two before we switched to a one. He was appalling. Okay- and if I get it right we were a front two for 4 minutes, but you’re right clearly it was Campbell’s fault- not butterhands Butland, not Dil the Dog Allen or tactical genius Jones. Bravo sir!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 10, 2019 17:14:54 GMT
Love NJ but agree that was an error What do you love? And please be specific His positive approach , his honesty , his humour , the fact at least he has a definitive plan and isn’t afraid to make the big decisions . Our principal blend are deep rooted and were their long before Nathan jones arrived .
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