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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 16:30:36 GMT
From reading NJ's comments to the BBC about butland he hasn't got a bloody clue on the mental side of the game or how to treat a player whose mind must be elsewhere... "I don't know where he must be mentally because there's so much talk about him, but realistically we all have to do our job for Stoke." You'd think he (NJ) would of tried something before now to try and get to the bottom of the issue with butland by sending him to a sports psychology expert or something and keep it within house instead of airing it to the media. That was my thought as well. He doesn’t know where he’s at mentally? Surely he should have bothered to ask/try to fix it? This is the second time something has struck me about whether he’s actually speaking with his players. The first was when Bojan came out and said no-one had spoken to him about why he wasn’t playing. After a London game earlier this year Brentford I think. Struck me as odd.
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 22, 2019 16:48:39 GMT
From reading NJ's comments to the BBC about butland he hasn't got a bloody clue on the mental side of the game or how to treat a player whose mind must be elsewhere... "I don't know where he must be mentally because there's so much talk about him, but realistically we all have to do our job for Stoke." You'd think he (NJ) would of tried something before now to try and get to the bottom of the issue with butland by sending him to a sports psychology expert or something and keep it within house instead of airing it to the media. That was my thought as well. He doesn’t know where he’s at mentally? Surely he should have bothered to ask/try to fix it? This is the second time something has struck me about whether he’s actually speaking with his players. The first was when Bojan came out and said no-one had spoken to him about why he wasn’t playing. After a London game earlier this year Brentford I think. Struck me as odd. Man management skills are piss poor by the sounds of it he clearly can't manage some of these bigger ego's in this squad we need somebody who the players respond to and respect.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 22, 2019 17:50:27 GMT
Seriously, maybe Paul Hart should do the next interview
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Post by burberrybassist on Aug 22, 2019 18:07:50 GMT
That's a really narrow minded and ill informed opinion if you ask me, especially from somebody in the "real world". So you're saying the only thing that's allowed to play on somebodies mind or effect their mental wellbeing is if they receive tragic news? Rediculous, there's a hundred and one reasons people can struggle. It's glaringly obvious that Butland is feeling it, he's a great proven keeper at his best. What he does now is up to him, and I hope he comes back stronger. But that doesn't mean that the club can't be there to support him. Nobody turns shit over night for no reason, and I feel he needs to be rested until he can get to the root of the issue and get it sorted. Sorry for my OPINION on a opinion based Forum! Will ask you next time precious. Butland is playing football BADLY and needs ‘dropping / counselling’ or whatever you want to call it! It’s that simple. I never said you weren't allowed an opinion; it's just that I'm entitled to disagree with yours in much the same way as you initially disagreed with mine But 100% agree on the fact he shouldn't be playing!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 22, 2019 18:28:58 GMT
Seriously, maybe Paul Hart should do the next interview Is that because NJ is feeling the immense amount of pressure at the moment. He’s the “front of house manager” to the media, not a position I’d particularly relish after a performance like last night’s. Without doubt individual players and collectively as a team they are making fundamental mistakes which are being punished. Once over that line NJ has very little control of actions on the pitch. Whether or not NJ is the right man, whether or not the wrong system is being utilised I can emphasise fully with the man who IMHO is a genuine guy
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 22, 2019 18:33:03 GMT
Jack has a huge potential, but howlers game after game must be questioned. Why does it happen at this rate now? Of course it's lack of concentration, but if you can't focus on a game you need to lose your place in the first 11. There should be no exception for Jack here!
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Post by Boothen on Aug 22, 2019 19:47:16 GMT
I feel for the lad. Everyone has a shit time at work, its life. True, but then if I consistently fucked up at work and cost the company I'd either be sacked or dumped onto some menial duties. Not Butland though, he just gets a pat on the head and carries on picking up his £35k per week.
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Post by burberrybassist on Aug 22, 2019 20:18:27 GMT
I feel for the lad. Everyone has a shit time at work, its life. True, but then if I consistently fucked up at work and cost the company I'd either be sacked or dumped onto some menial duties. Not Butland though, he just gets a pat on the head and carries on picking up his £35k per week. I'd say, with no certainty of course, that what you and I do for a living is slightly different to that of a professional sportsman though. He needs to be rested, but I don't honestly believe people turn to dogshit for no reason, and there's still an international goalkeeper in there somewhere. In my line of work I could be sacked and replaced the very next week so don't think it'd be any great loss to anyone, it's slightly diffent for elite athletes though, top class goalkeepers are few and far between so it's in our interest to make sure we manage the situation to the best of the clubs ability.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 22, 2019 20:33:44 GMT
From reading NJ's comments to the BBC about butland he hasn't got a bloody clue on the mental side of the game or how to treat a player whose mind must be elsewhere... "I don't know where he must be mentally because there's so much talk about him, but realistically we all have to do our job for Stoke." You'd think he (NJ) would of tried something before now to try and get to the bottom of the issue with butland by sending him to a sports psychology expert or something and keep it within house instead of airing it to the media. That was my thought as well. He doesn’t know where he’s at mentally? Surely he should have bothered to ask/try to fix it? This is the second time something has struck me about whether he’s actually speaking with his players. The first was when Bojan came out and said no-one had spoken to him about why he wasn’t playing. After a London game earlier this year Brentford I think. Struck me as odd. He's not asked ? You sure?
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Post by neddy on Aug 22, 2019 20:38:37 GMT
I think on balance I would play Butland especially if he wants to play......he has to get it out of his system and the sooner the better!
I would though rotate Allen and Batth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:39:05 GMT
That was my thought as well. He doesn’t know where he’s at mentally? Surely he should have bothered to ask/try to fix it? This is the second time something has struck me about whether he’s actually speaking with his players. The first was when Bojan came out and said no-one had spoken to him about why he wasn’t playing. After a London game earlier this year Brentford I think. Struck me as odd. He's not asked ? You sure? Well he said he didn’t where he was at mentally so that would suggest not? Maybe he has but if anyone can explain to me how, if he knew this, he thought it would help announcing on Sky Sports that he was going to drop him after just complaining about Sky Sports affecting him with the news he was dropped from the England squad...I would be delighted. Because to me that couldn’t be more hypocritical if he’d tried. Denounce the media circus then fuel it? What was the thought process there?
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Post by jarhead on Aug 23, 2019 6:28:24 GMT
Sorry for my OPINION on a opinion based Forum! Will ask you next time precious. Butland is playing football BADLY and needs ‘dropping / counselling’ or whatever you want to call it! It’s that simple. I never said you weren't allowed an opinion; it's just that I'm entitled to disagree with yours in much the same way as you initially disagreed with mine But 100% agree on the fact he shouldn't be playing! Thank you
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 8:18:16 GMT
He's not asked ? You sure? Well he said he didn’t where he was at mentally so that would suggest not? Maybe he has but if anyone can explain to me how, if he knew this, he thought it would help announcing on Sky Sports that he was going to drop him after just complaining about Sky Sports affecting him with the news he was dropped from the England squad...I would be delighted. Because to me that couldn’t be more hypocritical if he’d tried. Denounce the media circus then fuel it? What was the thought process there? Honesty in his obligation to answer questions about the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 8:21:57 GMT
Well he said he didn’t where he was at mentally so that would suggest not? Maybe he has but if anyone can explain to me how, if he knew this, he thought it would help announcing on Sky Sports that he was going to drop him after just complaining about Sky Sports affecting him with the news he was dropped from the England squad...I would be delighted. Because to me that couldn’t be more hypocritical if he’d tried. Denounce the media circus then fuel it? What was the thought process there? Honesty in his obligation to answer questions about the game. Sorry but there’s being honest and he could admit his bad but saying he might need to drop him on tv was incessant. True as he may be - do it behind the scenes.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 8:28:08 GMT
Honesty in his obligation to answer questions about the game. Sorry but there’s being honest and he could admit his bad but saying he might need to drop him on tv was incessant. True as he may be - do it behind the scenes. Why in case it hurts feelings? Is he the first manager to talk about players in tv interviews! If that's the case why do sky forensicaly disect every game with pundits giving opions surely that's wrong too then. Ban all talk of players form and no talking about football..... not much for Sky to broadcast. He's a pro footballer I'm sure he loves it when he gets praise and linked to England can't have it both ways. But one question has Jack ever made any public statements about his career?
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Post by adi on Aug 23, 2019 8:30:14 GMT
My opinion is that Jack is struggling mentally because he can see his England future slipping away, and he feels he should be playing at the top level which he isn’t, and those factors are affecting his performance. Still for me that’s tough, we need a functioning keeper and sorry Jack but you need dropping pal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 8:31:37 GMT
Sorry but there’s being honest and he could admit his bad but saying he might need to drop him on tv was incessant. True as he may be - do it behind the scenes. Why in case it hurts feelings? Is he the first manager to talk about players in tv interviews! If that's the case why do sky forensicaly disect every game with pundits giving opions surely that's wrong too then. Ban all talk of players form and no talking about football..... not much for Sky to broadcast. He's a pro footballer I'm sure he loves it when he gets praise and linked to England can't have it both ways. But one question has Jack ever made any public statements about his career? No because Jones had just raised questions about the "media circus" on Jack's mental state, criticised it, then done it himself in the same fucking breath! I don't know how that's anything other than massively hypocritical.
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Post by pushon on Aug 23, 2019 9:22:54 GMT
I don't know if this is already stated on here, but Jack has a save ratio of 38%. No other keeper in the championship is below 50%, according to Sky stats.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 9:54:46 GMT
I don't know if this is already stated on here, but Jack has a save ratio of 38%. No other keeper in the championship is below 50%, according to Sky stats. He's had to dive out of the way many times to get those stats bravo Jack.
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Post by neilb987 on Aug 23, 2019 10:44:47 GMT
I don't know if this is already stated on here, but Jack has a save ratio of 38%. No other keeper in the championship is below 50%, according to Sky stats. Over what period?> This season? Last season? Either way, that's nothing short of piss-poor ..!
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Post by pushon on Aug 23, 2019 11:23:39 GMT
I don't know if this is already stated on here, but Jack has a save ratio of 38%. No other keeper in the championship is below 50%, according to Sky stats. Over what period?> This season? Last season? Either way, that's nothing short of piss-poor ..! This season conceded 8 out of 13 shots.
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Post by neilb987 on Aug 23, 2019 11:48:41 GMT
Any idea what his save ratio stats were last season?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:56:47 GMT
I don't know if this is already stated on here, but Jack has a save ratio of 38%. No other keeper in the championship is below 50%, according to Sky stats. How do you expect him to dive with a broken ankle 😉
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Post by pushon on Aug 23, 2019 12:27:36 GMT
Over what period?> This season? Last season? Either way, that's nothing short of piss-poor ..! This season conceded 8 out of 13 shots. Even worse, Jones says 10 out of 14 shots have gone in!
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