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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 15, 2019 9:58:53 GMT
Blind faith to keep us up then? OK. Be careful what you wish for. I'll happily remind you when you are moaning about dull football. Dull football??? And this guy plays edge of ya seat stuff then does he!!! The only edge of ya seat stuff at the moment, is when you're ready to fuckin leave once the opposition go in front.....yet again!!!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2019 10:03:26 GMT
Dull football and staying up this season will do for me Desperate times require desperate measures It's not desperate though is it. 4 point behind with 39 to play. 3 wins from 28 League games, 1 point from 21 points, not won at home for months, can't defend a lead, if that's not desperate in footballing terms I don't know what is.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 15, 2019 10:22:01 GMT
It's not desperate though is it. 4 point behind with 39 to play. 3 wins from 28 League games, 1 point from 21 points, not won at home for months, can't defend a lead, if that's not desperate in footballing terms I don't know what is. I'll give you 7 games max if we appoint someone dull as fuck who doesn't have an instant impact before you're all moaning like fuck again. Playing dull and winning is bearable but it has a shelf life, playing dull and losing is another matter. If you think that team that played yesterday is a relegation team you deserve dull football, real dull.
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Post by tosh on Sept 15, 2019 10:27:27 GMT
3 wins from 28 League games, 1 point from 21 points, not won at home for months, can't defend a lead, if that's not desperate in footballing terms I don't know what is. I'll give you 7 games max if we appoint someone dull as fuck who doesn't have an instant impact before you're all moaning like fuck again. Playing dull and winning is bearable but it has a shelf life, playing dull and losing is another matter. If you think that team that played yesterday is a relegation team you deserve dull football, real dull. Any team that can’t stop regularly conceding more goals than it scores is a potential relegation team. How stylishly they lose is irrelevant.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 15, 2019 10:31:03 GMT
Be careful what you wish for. I'll happily remind you when you are moaning about dull football. Dull football??? And this guy plays edge of ya seat stuff then does he!!! The only edge of ya seat stuff at the moment, is when you're ready to fuckin leave once the opposition go in front.....yet again!!! I think you need a reminder of what dull football actually is, if you think we played badly yesterday you're beyond repair. Furtherstill, wait until we 'are' playing dull football, God help you 😉
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2019 10:32:49 GMT
3 wins from 28 League games, 1 point from 21 points, not won at home for months, can't defend a lead, if that's not desperate in footballing terms I don't know what is. I'll give you 7 games max if we appoint someone dull as fuck who doesn't have an instant impact before you're all moaning like fuck again. Playing dull and winning is bearable but it has a shelf life, playing dull and losing is another matter. If you think that team that played yesterday is a relegation team you deserve dull football, real dull. We have a manager who could turn any combination of players we have including the TWELVE he has brought in into losers, yesterday we saw just three of his signings starting the game yet they put in a half decent performance in patches, you can draw your own conclusions on the quality of his signings when so few are deemed good enough to start a game.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 15, 2019 10:38:45 GMT
I'll give you 7 games max if we appoint someone dull as fuck who doesn't have an instant impact before you're all moaning like fuck again. Playing dull and winning is bearable but it has a shelf life, playing dull and losing is another matter. If you think that team that played yesterday is a relegation team you deserve dull football, real dull. We have a manager who could turn any combination of players we have including the TWELVE he has brought in into losers, yesterday we saw just three of his signings starting the game yet they put in a half decent performance in patches, you can draw your own conclusions on the quality of his signings when so few are deemed good enough to start a game. Badou will make the difference to this team, he is everything the team has lacked even since rowett. if we go to brentford set up like yesterday and lose the game with 11 men with badou, etebo & clucas starting in midfield I'll agree but it would be stupid to fire him now right on the verge of turning a corner. The way to go v brentfor is to set up like yesterday but with badou, etebo & clucas Cm. And he will go the same route because yesterday we lost to luck and luck only. We would have walked that game with 11 men on the pitch
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 15, 2019 10:48:49 GMT
Dull football??? And this guy plays edge of ya seat stuff then does he!!! The only edge of ya seat stuff at the moment, is when you're ready to fuckin leave once the opposition go in front.....yet again!!! I think you need a reminder of what dull football actually is, if you think we played badly yesterday you're beyond repair. Furtherstill, wait until we 'are' playing dull football, God help you 😉 I'm in Turkey at the moment, so I watched the game on screen.....when you watch on screen, you get a better idea of how the game actually was!!! If YOU or ANYBODY else try to convince me that we played well, or anywhere near half decent, then you're very much deluded!!! You can continue to convince yourselves, but sooner or later.....the penny will drop!!! We started well, went 1 up, then as soon as Allen stupidly got sent off, we just dropped back, and although we defended stoutly until half-time you just KNEW it was only a matter of time!!! Once Allen got sent off, Jones had no answer!!! I honestly believe Bristol would have got back into the game at some point, even if Allen hadn't have been sent off!!! Just face it, Jones is so far out of his bepth, he'll soon be coming out waring armbands!!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2019 12:40:54 GMT
Given we are owned by bookies, surely they should see this and at the very least play the odds to avoid this? If they looking at the odds, they would have looked at which managers/DOFs are getting teams up and would have recognised that they come with three sorts of experience. 1) An intimate understanding of their own players and what makes them tick, from having got them promoted from L1: Howe and Wilder 2) An intimate knowledge of what it takes to get a team promoted before from this league: Hughton, Warnock, Bruce. Jokanavic, Dyke 3) A good knowledge of elite performance gained from having a senior footballing position in a top/wealthy/successful club or international set up: Farke/Webber, Wagner, Gil (Villa DOF), Espirito Santo, Benitez, Karanka. In the last 5 seasons, the one exception has been Alex Neil at Norwich (15/16). They would have then examined the odds of plucking a L1 manager - with no experience in the Championship or of a league of similar or better standard - and doing well in the Champs. Recent examples of where boards have done this are relatively rarer than you might expect: I might have missed a couple, but these are the ones i found since about 2012. - Paul Hurst at Ipswich (17/18) got them relegated.
- Paul Trollope at Cardiff in May 2016 who was sacked after winning 2 in 12 at Cardiff.
- Lee Johnson is the best success story, taking over relegation threatened Bristol City from Barnsley in Feb 2016 and overseeing an admirable evolution ever since.
- Warren Joyce took over Wigan in Nov 16 after coaching in Belgium and was sacked after winning 6 in 24.
- Dean Smith got the Brentford job in Nov 15 after being at Walsall and did what was seen as a good job there to build a mid table team - though, at a similar time as they appointed a sports science company owner, Phil Giles and bought about 10 new players, so questionable who drove this success!?.
- Gary Caldwell took over Wigan in 2015 with no past experience, when they were 23rd in April and took them down.
- Kit Symons took over ambitious Fulham on the back of caretaker roles at Palace and Colchester (and 9 games at Fulham), and was sacked 13mths later having won 22 and lost 25, with Fulham 12th.
- David Hockaday took over Leeds in June 2014 on the back of success at Forest Green and was sacked after 6 games.
- Russel Slade did okay with Cardiff after taking over in 2014 - getting them to 2 mid table finishes after taking over from L2 Orient, but which wasn't deemed good enough.
- Neil Redfearn took over Leeds after being Academy Head, and was sacked after 11 wins and 15 defeats in 33 with the owner calling him "weak" and a "baby" over handling of the squad.
- Paul Dickov took over newly prompted Doncaster, having managed Oldham in L1. They survived for a year with the promotion team and were then relegated and he was sacked.
- Lee Clarke took over Birmingham in 2012 after managing L1 Huddersfield and getting them into the PO finals twice - He did okayish for a year and then sacked with Birmingham 21st. He had another stab at Blackpool in the Champs, where he achieved a 9% win ratio in 33 games and was sacked again (Sound familiar?).
Not all abject failures, but failure is rarer than success, and there is barely a sniff of promotion in all this - So, if you were the board of a Champs side aspiring for promotion, what would you conclude about the odds for Jones succeeding with promotion? I bet they didn't do anything like that level of analysis! And did you mean success is rarer than failure?
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Post by felonious on Sept 15, 2019 12:47:53 GMT
We have a manager who could turn any combination of players we have including the TWELVE he has brought in into losers, yesterday we saw just three of his signings starting the game yet they put in a half decent performance in patches, you can draw your own conclusions on the quality of his signings when so few are deemed good enough to start a game. Badou will make the difference to this team, he is everything the team has lacked even since rowett. if we go to brentford set up like yesterday and lose the game with 11 men with badou, etebo & clucas starting in midfield I'll agree but it would be stupid to fire him now right on the verge of turning a corner. The way to go v brentfor is to set up like yesterday but with badou, etebo & clucas Cm. And he will go the same route because yesterday we lost to luck and luck only. We would have walked that game with 11 men on the pitch How long is this corner that you speak of?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2019 13:07:03 GMT
Badou will make the difference to this team, he is everything the team has lacked even since rowett. if we go to brentford set up like yesterday and lose the game with 11 men with badou, etebo & clucas starting in midfield I'll agree but it would be stupid to fire him now right on the verge of turning a corner. The way to go v brentfor is to set up like yesterday but with badou, etebo & clucas Cm. And he will go the same route because yesterday we lost to luck and luck only. We would have walked that game with 11 men on the pitch How long is this corner that you speak of? It goes into to the 3rd tier then straightens out in summer 2020 as we head to Vale fucking Park.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 15, 2019 13:13:57 GMT
Badou will make the difference to this team, he is everything the team has lacked even since rowett. if we go to brentford set up like yesterday and lose the game with 11 men with badou, etebo & clucas starting in midfield I'll agree but it would be stupid to fire him now right on the verge of turning a corner. The way to go v brentfor is to set up like yesterday but with badou, etebo & clucas Cm. And he will go the same route because yesterday we lost to luck and luck only. We would have walked that game with 11 men on the pitch How long is this corner that you speak of? Longer than a piece of string.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 15, 2019 13:44:43 GMT
3 wins from 28 League games, 1 point from 21 points, not won at home for months, can't defend a lead, if that's not desperate in footballing terms I don't know what is. I'll give you 7 games max if we appoint someone dull as fuck who doesn't have an instant impact before you're all moaning like fuck again. Playing dull and winning is bearable but it has a shelf life, playing dull and losing is another matter. If you think that team that played yesterday is a relegation team you deserve dull football, real dull. It's soooo exciting watching us lose every week. 3 wins in 28- relegation manager.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 15, 2019 13:45:24 GMT
I think you need a reminder of what dull football actually is, if you think we played badly yesterday you're beyond repair. Furtherstill, wait until we 'are' playing dull football, God help you 😉 I'm in Turkey at the moment, so I watched the game on screen.....when you watch on screen, you get a better idea of how the game actually was!!! If YOU or ANYBODY else try to convince me that we played well, or anywhere near half decent, then you're very much deluded!!! You can continue to convince yourselves, but sooner or later.....the penny will drop!!! We started well, went 1 up, then as soon as Allen stupidly got sent off, we just dropped back, and although we defended stoutly until half-time you just KNEW it was only a matter of time!!! Once Allen got sent off, Jones had no answer!!! I honestly believe Bristol would have got back into the game at some point, even if Allen hadn't have been sent off!!! Just face it, Jones is so far out of his bepth, he'll soon be coming out waring armbands!!! How's Turkey mate?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 15, 2019 14:56:05 GMT
I'm in Turkey at the moment, so I watched the game on screen.....when you watch on screen, you get a better idea of how the game actually was!!! If YOU or ANYBODY else try to convince me that we played well, or anywhere near half decent, then you're very much deluded!!! You can continue to convince yourselves, but sooner or later.....the penny will drop!!! We started well, went 1 up, then as soon as Allen stupidly got sent off, we just dropped back, and although we defended stoutly until half-time you just KNEW it was only a matter of time!!! Once Allen got sent off, Jones had no answer!!! I honestly believe Bristol would have got back into the game at some point, even if Allen hadn't have been sent off!!! Just face it, Jones is so far out of his bepth, he'll soon be coming out waring armbands!!! How's Turkey mate? Hot, as you can well imagine, even in September it's in it's 30's during the day!!! It's reet good!!! 👍🏼
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 15, 2019 15:03:07 GMT
The Chief Executive doesn't let the ball slip through his hands. He doesn't miss penalties. He does let the ball bounce instead of heading it clear. He doesn't allow a player to cross a ball into our box unchallenged. He doesn't miss open goals or get himself sent off because he can't control a football. He let £100m slip through the clubs accounts by not taking action soon enough. Are people really that stupid to believe he has the power to make such decisions?
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 15, 2019 15:09:36 GMT
He let £100m slip through the clubs accounts by not taking action soon enough. Are people really that stupid to believe he has the power to make such decisions? he's the CEO? it's what they do?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 15, 2019 15:13:29 GMT
Are people really that stupid to believe he has the power to make such decisions? he's the CEO? it's what they do? So you honestly believe if he wanted to he could just fire Jones tomorrow and bring in his own man?
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 15, 2019 15:17:03 GMT
he's the CEO? it's what they do? So you honestly believe if he wanted to he could just fire Jones tomorrow and bring in his own man? he can start the process of firing employees, absolutely. that is within the remit of any CEO over senior employees
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 15, 2019 15:22:13 GMT
So you honestly believe if he wanted to he could just fire Jones tomorrow and bring in his own man? he can start the process of firing employees, absolutely. that is within the remit of any CEO over senior employees How can he start the process. He could advise the Coates family he thinks the time is right, do you think they would act on that? He may be a CEO, but he's CEO in an industry that doesn't follow the rules, hence most owners blow millions of pounds for their 'investment'. Blame him for the shop, the website, the food hygiene, match day experience etc. but he is not responsible for firing managers.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 15, 2019 15:48:05 GMT
he can start the process of firing employees, absolutely. that is within the remit of any CEO over senior employees How can he start the process. He could advise the Coates family he thinks the time is right, do you think they would act on that? He may be a CEO, but he's CEO in an industry that doesn't follow the rules, hence most owners blow millions of pounds for their 'investment'. Blame him for the shop, the website, the food hygiene, match day experience etc. but he is not responsible for firing managers. i'll let you think that
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Post by thevoid on Sept 15, 2019 16:02:13 GMT
Hot, as you can well imagine, even in September it's in it's 30's during the day!!! It's reet good!!! 👍🏼 Hope you're following the rules about putting pooey toilet paper in the bin 🤢
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Post by s8to on Sept 15, 2019 16:10:29 GMT
We have a manager who could turn any combination of players we have including the TWELVE he has brought in into losers, yesterday we saw just three of his signings starting the game yet they put in a half decent performance in patches, you can draw your own conclusions on the quality of his signings when so few are deemed good enough to start a game. Badou will make the difference to this team, he is everything the team has lacked even since rowett. if we go to brentford set up like yesterday and lose the game with 11 men with badou, etebo & clucas starting in midfield I'll agree but it would be stupid to fire him now right on the verge of turning a corner. The way to go v brentfor is to set up like yesterday but with badou, etebo & clucas Cm. And he will go the same route because yesterday we lost to luck and luck only. We would have walked that game with 11 men on the pitch Must be a huge curve on this corner! People have been predicting for weeks we will come good. Luck or not it ain't happening!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 15, 2019 16:32:25 GMT
Badou will make the difference to this team, he is everything the team has lacked even since rowett. if we go to brentford set up like yesterday and lose the game with 11 men with badou, etebo & clucas starting in midfield I'll agree but it would be stupid to fire him now right on the verge of turning a corner. The way to go v brentfor is to set up like yesterday but with badou, etebo & clucas Cm. And he will go the same route because yesterday we lost to luck and luck only. We would have walked that game with 11 men on the pitch Must be a huge curve on this corner! People have been predicting for weeks we will come good. Luck or not it ain't happening! It's not a corner it's a fucking roundabout and Nathan can't make his mind up which exit to take we are driving around and around aimlessly.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 15, 2019 16:36:56 GMT
FFs how many changes for the next game 5 again...clueluess fookin clueless
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 15, 2019 17:10:27 GMT
Hot, as you can well imagine, even in September it's in it's 30's during the day!!! It's reet good!!! 👍🏼 Hope you're following the rules about putting pooey toilet paper in the bin 🤢 😂😂😂......er.......yeah!!! 😳
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 15, 2019 17:16:35 GMT
Talking of his players, has anyone said what's actually going on with Adam Davies? And why did we buy Cousins? And why was Hogan dropped after scoring two? And why is Lindsay's distribution so poor? Also: Why play Collins so infrequently, but make him captain when he does play? Isn't Woods now playing well enough to to get a decent run? Why can't a kid like Campbell seem to play a full 90 minutes? Why did Etebo not start yesterday? Why has Verlinden gone from looking so promising end of last season to ending up on loan at Bolton?
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 15, 2019 17:24:02 GMT
Talking of his players, has anyone said what's actually going on with Adam Davies? And why did we buy Cousins? And why was Hogan dropped after scoring two? And why is Lindsay's distribution so poor? Also: Why play Collins so infrequently, but make him captain when he does play? Isn't Woods now playing well enough to to get a decent run? Why can't a kid like Campbell seem to play a full 90 minutes? Why did Etebo not start yesterday? Why has Verlinden gone from looking so promising end of last season to ending up on loan at Bolton? Good questions. They're indicative of the mess the club has got itself in. like paying over £30M for Afobe, Berahino and Vokes (plus probably the same again for their contracts). How much has it cost so far per goal from those three?
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 15, 2019 17:26:01 GMT
Talking of his players, has anyone said what's actually going on with Adam Davies? And why did we buy Cousins? And why was Hogan dropped after scoring two? And why is Lindsay's distribution so poor? Also: Why play Collins so infrequently, but make him captain when he does play? Isn't Woods now playing well enough to to get a decent run? Why can't a kid like Campbell seem to play a full 90 minutes? Why did Etebo not start yesterday? Why has Verlinden gone from looking so promising end of last season to ending up on loan at Bolton? Good questions. They're indicative of the mess the club has got itself in. like paying over £30M for Afobe, Berahino and Vokes (plus probably the same again for their contracts). How much has it cost so far per goal from those three? Don't mate - the financial numbers look even worse.
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Post by Milkie on Sept 21, 2019 16:00:40 GMT
When does getting cut adrift at the bottom come into play for the Coates thinking?
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