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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:24:39 GMT
The Guardian have us listed as title challengers in their preview for the L1 season. I like the sound of it, but not the reasoning behind it: "Should Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe strike up a partnership, a new-look Stoke City could threaten in Nathan Jones’s first full season, having added seven players including the nonchalant Nick Powell." The Guardian |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 31, 2019 11:25:22 GMT
I hope not L1!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:26:09 GMT
We’d smash L1 for sure tbf 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:29:40 GMT
Sorry!
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 31, 2019 11:29:43 GMT
Didnt get much of a mention on sky when talking about next season and best players
Thought we we would be in top 6 now NJ with feet under the table
I like to be underdogs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:51:34 GMT
Well to be honest I don't think that sort of rating is doing us any favours. There are 12 clubs that finished above us last season; some of those have invested wisely, while we have barely improved with no name players, and we're having most of the players still at odds with and confused over the new system. I'm not saying it can't fit together in due course, but if we don't get off to a decent start, will NJ do what he did last season, i.e. play the system that fits the players at the expense of his holy diamond. If he does that and the team recovers, it will make no sense to return later.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 31, 2019 11:53:10 GMT
Well to be honest I don't think that sort of rating is doing us any favours. There are 12 clubs that finished above us last season; some of those have invested wisely, while we have barely improved with no name players, and we're having most of the players still at odds with and confused over the new system. I'm not saying it can't fit together in due course, but if we don't get off to a decent start, will NJ do what he did last season, i.e. play the system that fits the players at the expense of his holy diamond. If he does that and the team recovers, it will make no sense to return later. Signed "big name" players last year.. look where that got us. We will do well this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:54:11 GMT
Well to be honest I don't think that sort of rating is doing us any favours. There are 12 clubs that finished above us last season; some of those have invested wisely, while we have barely improved with no name players, and we're having most of the players still at odds with and confused over the new system. I'm not saying it can't fit together in due course, but if we don't get off to a decent start, will NJ do what he did last season, i.e. play the system that fits the players at the expense of his holy diamond. If he does that and the team recovers, it will make no sense to return later. Signed "big name" players last year.. look where that got us. We will do well this season. Because...? |
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 31, 2019 11:56:23 GMT
Signed "big name" players last year.. look where that got us. We will do well this season. Because...? We have a squad with quality and battlers. A belief from the management in their formula, and positivity from top to bottom. What looks like a happy changing room, and we are underdogs. NJ worked wonders as Luton, he will work wonders here. And I cannot wait for the mass humble pie eating when we storm to a promotion challenge. Heaven forbid anyone says anything positive on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:59:17 GMT
Well to be honest I don't think that sort of rating is doing us any favours. There are 12 clubs that finished above us last season; some of those have invested wisely, while we have barely improved with no name players, and we're having most of the players still at odds with and confused over the new system. I'm not saying it can't fit together in due course, but if we don't get off to a decent start, will NJ do what he did last season, i.e. play the system that fits the players at the expense of his holy diamond. If he does that and the team recovers, it will make no sense to return later. Signed "big name" players last year.. look where that got us. We will do well this season. I see the problems as neither being how big or small someone’s “name” is but that we haven’t bought the right players to fit the system we’re supposed to play... I’ve seen this for three years now and nothing has changed. The manager has changed The system we are supposed to play has changed But we still buy players not suited to the current system It’s quite remarkable when you think about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 12:00:14 GMT
But do we have a great team?
You can say as much positive as you wish but it doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to question it.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 31, 2019 12:12:44 GMT
The rather excellent Not the top 20 podcast had us finishing 5th and these chaps know their onions although I think they’ve got us way too high. Like most they had us finishing top last season and they have a lot of time for Jones. They normally look at the numbers too so don’t pluck stuff out of thin air and stated how strong we were at the back at the back end of last season. I just don’t see the creativity personally although we wouldn’t be the first team to binary ourselves out of the league.
If you’re interested their interviews are great, professionals will explain the reasoning behind decisions and sometimes touch on their methods - it’s good stuff.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 31, 2019 12:20:06 GMT
It made no sense when we were amongst the favourite last season. Doesn't make sense of we are among them now.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 31, 2019 12:20:44 GMT
But do we have a great team? You can say as much positive as you wish but it doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to question it. Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. |
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 31, 2019 12:33:24 GMT
But do we have a great team? You can say as much positive as you wish but it doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to question it. Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. Can you not be negative about the team you support if they have been in decline, while viewing the rest of your life positively? I certainly can and do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 13:53:18 GMT
But do we have a great team? You can say as much positive as you wish but it doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to question it. Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. You just have tunnel vision. Others can see the good and the bad at the same time. Why should we sign Messi? We already had the second coming and we threw it away. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 13:56:17 GMT
Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. You just have tunnel vision. Others can see the good and the bad at the same time. Why should we sign Messi? We already had the second coming and we threw it away. You’re the one with the tunnel vision. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 14:04:43 GMT
You just have tunnel vision. Others can see the good and the bad at the same time. Why should we sign Messi? We already had the second coming and we threw it away. You’re the one with the tunnel vision. And you're the one with no vision at all. |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 31, 2019 14:09:02 GMT
Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. Can you not be negative about the team you support if they have been in decline, while viewing the rest of your life positively? I certainly can and do. Yes you can but a little rainbow now and again for perspective is good for you/me. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 31, 2019 14:09:31 GMT
Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. You just have tunnel vision. Others can see the good and the bad at the same time. Why should we sign Messi? We already had the second coming and we threw it away. Good and Bad, I'll accept, but bollocks do people see both sides, it's incessant agenda ridden negativity on this board. You have to pick through mountains of negative drivel to find someone positing either a constructive or positive comment about anything at the moment I know it's been a tough few years, but heavens sake cheer up. |
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Jul 31, 2019 14:10:49 GMT
But do we have a great team? You can say as much positive as you wish but it doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to question it. Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. It's called realism pal, we finished in the lower half of the table last season and won 3 of our last 20. The signings made are uninspiring and there is no reason why we should improve last seasons finishing position, and no reason why we should finish above teams that progressed past us last year such as Preston, Hull and Brentford. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 14:11:48 GMT
You just have tunnel vision. Others can see the good and the bad at the same time. Why should we sign Messi? We already had the second coming and we threw it away. Good and Bad, I'll accept, but bollocks do people see both sides, is incessant agenda ridden negativity on this board. You have to pick through mountains of negative drivel to find someone positing either a constructive or positive comment about anything at the moment I know it's been a tough few years, but heavens sake cheer up. The problem is that a few people can’t take the fact that their little Spanish hero is being released and they will never forgive the manager for it. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2019 14:17:26 GMT
Correct, however the constant negativity is poisonous... maybe let them kick a ball in anger before completely writing them off? It's ridiculous. We'd sign Messi and you lot would probably find someway to moan. I'm glad my life isn't shrouded in a cloud of negativity like some of you lot seem to be stuck in. It's called realism pal, we finished in the lower half of the table last season and won 3 of our last 20. The signings made are uninspiring and there is no reason why we should improve last seasons finishing position, and no reason why we should finish above teams that progressed past us last year such as Preston, Hull and Brentford. If something hasn't even started yet, how can it be called realism? The only realist point of view is that we have to wait and see surely? At this stage all predictions about the season fall on an optimistic/pessimistic scale. Nothing real about it, because nothing has happened yet. |
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Post by philb on Jul 31, 2019 14:32:00 GMT
You just have tunnel vision. Others can see the good and the bad at the same time. Why should we sign Messi? We already had the second coming and we threw it away. Good and Bad, I'll accept, but bollocks do people see both sides, it's incessant agenda ridden negativity on this board. You have to pick through mountains of negative drivel to find someone positing either a constructive or positive comment about anything at the moment I know it's been a tough few years, but heavens sake cheer up. Steady on there mate, you’ll be classed as one of the happy clappers if you’re not careful 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 14:41:03 GMT
It's called realism pal, we finished in the lower half of the table last season and won 3 of our last 20. The signings made are uninspiring and there is no reason why we should improve last seasons finishing position, and no reason why we should finish above teams that progressed past us last year such as Preston, Hull and Brentford. If something hasn't even started yet, how can it be called realism? The only realist point of view is that we have to wait and see surely? At this stage all predictions about the season fall on an optimistic/pessimistic scale. Nothing real about it, because nothing has happened yet. And pretend last season didn't happen. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2019 14:48:22 GMT
If something hasn't even started yet, how can it be called realism? The only realist point of view is that we have to wait and see surely? At this stage all predictions about the season fall on an optimistic/pessimistic scale. Nothing real about it, because nothing has happened yet. And pretend last season didn't happen. To all intents and purposes what happened last year is irrelevant now. It's about the present, and we have some new faces, a new formation, established in pre-season and new league of teams to test it against. We'll see preliminary evidence of whose predictions were right or wrong come 5PM Saturday, but again nothing conclusive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:31:35 GMT
And pretend last season didn't happen. To all intents and purposes what happened last year is irrelevant now. It's about the present, and we have some new faces, a new formation, established in pre-season and new league of teams to test it against. We'll see preliminary evidence of whose predictions were right or wrong come 5PM Saturday, but again nothing conclusive. We saw "preliminary evidence" vs Leicester. Result not important, but plenty of hints about how the season will pan out, if we don't correct a few things. There was some good, there was some not so good. The formation was new indeed but it did not seem fully established. A number of players seemed unsure what was expected of them. No one seemed to feel inclined to cover the blanks on the flanks. We are allowed to discuss this in a discussion forum, eh? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2019 15:46:40 GMT
To all intents and purposes what happened last year is irrelevant now. It's about the present, and we have some new faces, a new formation, established in pre-season and new league of teams to test it against. We'll see preliminary evidence of whose predictions were right or wrong come 5PM Saturday, but again nothing conclusive. We saw "preliminary evidence" vs Leicester. Result not important, but plenty of hints about how the season will pan out, if we don't correct a few things. There was some good, there was some not so good. The formation was new indeed but it did not seem fully established. A number of players seemed unsure what was expected of them. No one seemed to feel inclined to cover the blanks on the flanks. We are allowed to discuss this in a discussion forum, eh? Course we are, I just would hesistate about calling it “realism” at this stage, other games in pre-season the shape looked very good but personnell being chopped and changed is different from what will happen come the real games. Where have I said we aren’t allowed to discuss it? II just said any prediction either way is optimism or pessimism not realism. Not that we aren’t allowed to discuss the merits of those predictions. |
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Post by redstriper on Jul 31, 2019 15:47:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 16:00:17 GMT
It's not impossible. In 2015/16 Huddersfield finished 19th on 51 points with Wagner as their manager for most of the season. The following season they finished 5th on 81 points and were promoted. Granted, it wasn't winning the league but...
16 players and 4M (spent) later they were promoted...
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