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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 31, 2019 10:05:15 GMT
As noted above, he's not the quickest. Seen him a couple of times at Fleetwood and he's definitely old school, bordering on agricultural sometimes.
Him or Collins would be way better to have in the squad as options than that fraud CCV though.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 31, 2019 11:48:48 GMT
He's a head on a stick, that's about it.
Same as Lindsay really.
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Post by lordb on Dec 31, 2019 12:45:28 GMT
He is big and slow for sure however he's not a donkey, good defender
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2019 13:19:41 GMT
As noted above, he's not the quickest. Seen him a couple of times at Fleetwood and he's definitely old school, bordering on agricultural sometimes.
Him or Collins would be way better to have in the squad as options than that fraud CCV though. He’s actually a really good footballer. His passing is excellent.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 16, 2020 13:31:20 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 16, 2020 13:33:08 GMT
He's always been a good passer but his lack of pace is a massive concern. Don't think he'll ever make it with us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 13:44:47 GMT
He's always been a good passer but his lack of pace is a massive concern. Don't think he'll ever make it with us. Surely can't be slower than Batth? Would hope that, given his stature, he was much more aggressive though, and more of a threat from set-pieces too!
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Post by nonameface on Jan 16, 2020 13:53:10 GMT
He's always been a good passer but his lack of pace is a massive concern. Don't think he'll ever make it with us. Surely can't be slower than Batth? Would hope that, given his stature, he was much more aggressive though, and more of a threat from set-pieces too! Don't imagine there's much difference between the two for pace. Very few teams run past our centre backs to score so I'm not presently too concerned with it. Better positioning, organisation, heading and passing would be more of a priority right now.
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Post by Gods on Jan 16, 2020 13:53:22 GMT
He's a head on a stick, that's about it. Same as Lindsay really. That made me laugh, if only it weren't so!
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Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2020 14:03:29 GMT
He's always been a good passer but his lack of pace is a massive concern. Don't think he'll ever make it with us. Surely can't be slower than Batth? Would hope that, given his stature, he was much more aggressive though, and more of a threat from set-pieces too! He probably is slower however overall he's better As Bayern says he's good on the ball Long term him and Collins would be a good pair
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Post by thehoof on Jan 16, 2020 14:50:22 GMT
Surely can't be slower than Batth? Would hope that, given his stature, he was much more aggressive though, and more of a threat from set-pieces too! He probably is slower however overall he's better As Bayern says he's good on the ball Long term him and Collins would be a good pair I don’t remember Robert Huth being the Usain Bolt of defenders but he did okay. It is literally impossible to be slower than Ba’ath or Martins Indi.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 15:35:59 GMT
He's a head on a stick, that's about it. Same as Lindsay really. Hmm I'd classify Lindsay as more of a wet mop.
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Post by zerps on Jan 16, 2020 15:37:00 GMT
He probably is slower however overall he's better As Bayern says he's good on the ball Long term him and Collins would be a good pair I don’t remember Robert Huth being the Usain Bolt of defenders but he did okay. It is literally impossible to be slower than Ba’ath or Martins Indi. It’s all about positioning and anticipation with centre halves. None of them are sprinters.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 16, 2020 16:33:53 GMT
Reading the ball beats pace everytime. Didnt see many players go past John Terry cos he read the ball so well. Pace is useless if you cant tackle or anticipate properly.
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Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2020 16:36:01 GMT
Reading the ball beats pace everytime. Didnt see many players go past John Terry cos he read the ball so well. Pace is useless if you cant tackle or anticipate properly. See Wayne Thomas for details
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Post by Veritas on Jan 16, 2020 20:22:03 GMT
Reading the ball beats pace everytime. Didnt see many players go past John Terry cos he read the ball so well. Pace is useless if you cant tackle or anticipate properly. Neither Bobby Moore or Franco Baressi were particularly quick but I seem to recall both as being reasonably good defenders.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 16, 2020 21:24:52 GMT
Reading the ball beats pace everytime. Didnt see many players go past John Terry cos he read the ball so well. Pace is useless if you cant tackle or anticipate properly. Neither Bobby Moore or Franco Baressi were particularly quick but I seem to recall both as being reasonably good defenders. Baresi was an astonishing defender.
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Post by rawli on Jan 17, 2020 1:20:01 GMT
Reading the ball beats pace everytime. Didnt see many players go past John Terry cos he read the ball so well. Pace is useless if you cant tackle or anticipate properly. See Wayne Thomas for details Can't be arsed
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Post by rawli on Jan 17, 2020 1:38:29 GMT
Reading the ball beats pace everytime. Didnt see many players go past John Terry cos he read the ball so well. Pace is useless if you cant tackle or anticipate properly. Neither Bobby Moore or Franco Baressi were particularly quick but I seem to recall both as being reasonably good defenders. Baresi wasn't slow. Never saw Moore.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 17, 2020 8:30:47 GMT
Him and Shawcross would be our best combo!
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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2020 8:46:55 GMT
Neither Bobby Moore or Franco Baressi were particularly quick but I seem to recall both as being reasonably good defenders. Baresi wasn't slow. Never saw Moore. He didn't have any pace at all,neither did Moore In fact hard to think of many top defenders with pace
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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2020 8:47:15 GMT
Him and Shawcross would be our best combo! Collins is better than Souttar
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2020 8:59:41 GMT
Baresi wasn't slow. Never saw Moore. He didn't have any pace at all,neither did Moore In fact hard to think of many top defenders with pace Des Walker was a very good defender who had real pace, the trouble was once his pace started to go he looked awful as his pace had masked poor positional sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 9:02:01 GMT
Paul McGrath was absolute class, he barely broke into a gallop.....
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Post by nonameface on Jan 17, 2020 9:11:48 GMT
Baresi wasn't slow. Never saw Moore. He didn't have any pace at all,neither did Moore In fact hard to think of many top defenders with pace Vann Dijk, Ferdinand and Campbell. That's about all I can think of.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 17, 2020 9:58:10 GMT
Paul McGrath was absolute class, he barely broke into a gallop..... McGrath was really quick over 10 or 15 yards though and was mobile. Batth and Souttar have the turning circle of the Titanic and I'd certainly question the former's positional sense. And my memory of Baresi is that he, too, was quick over short distances, which if your positioning is good (as his was, it means you're never exposed to 30 to 40 yard sprints.
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Post by rawli on Jan 17, 2020 12:08:49 GMT
Baresi wasn't slow. Never saw Moore. He didn't have any pace at all,neither did Moore In fact hard to think of many top defenders with pace www.futhead.com/19/players/2564/franco-baresi/Same site gives Ryan a pace rating of 41, and John Stones (who for all his faults you wouldn't say was slow) 68.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2020 12:13:30 GMT
Him and Shawcross would be our best combo! Collins is better than Souttar Collins should be in alongside Ryan asap imo so he can benefit from shawcross' experience well we still have him
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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 18, 2020 10:33:47 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2020 8:43:12 GMT
Doesn't look like we're recalling him - but interesting he hasn't completely ruled out bringing in a centre-half
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