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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 26, 2019 12:57:01 GMT
Cricket eh, you can completely outplay the opposition for two days and then throw the game away in an hour.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 26, 2019 12:57:28 GMT
Very impressive by England this morning. Tough choice re Ashes 11.
Roy Burns Root Bairstow Stokes Butler WK Woakes Leach Archer Broad Anderson
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 26, 2019 12:58:17 GMT
140+ victory, what's the problem?!
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 26, 2019 13:00:52 GMT
Very impressive by England this morning. Tough choice re Ashes 11. Roy Burns Root Bairstow Stokes Butler WK Woakes Leach Archer Broad Anderson That’s an incredibly long tail! I don’t see how Burns can play, he looks horribly out of form, the same could also be said of Bairstow.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2019 13:03:11 GMT
Very impressive by England this morning. Tough choice re Ashes 11. Roy Burns Root Bairstow Stokes Butler WK Woakes Leach Archer Broad Anderson We won't pick 4 seamers and Stokes. From the sounds I'm hearing, I don't think we'll risk Archer so you need to find another "batsman" Root simply won't bat at 3, unfortunately. I reckon Moeen will still play despite being horribly out of form only because of his record against Australia at home, which is very good.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 26, 2019 13:09:39 GMT
Very impressive by England this morning. Tough choice re Ashes 11. Roy Burns Root Bairstow Stokes Butler WK Woakes Leach Archer Broad Anderson We won't pick 4 seamers and Stokes. From the sounds I'm hearing, I don't think we'll risk Archer so you need to find another "batsman" Root simply won't bat at 3, unfortunately. I reckon Moeen will still play despite being horribly out of form only because of his record against Australia at home, which is very good. Archer is a strange one, we’ve been hearing he won’t be fit or will be rested for the first test but he’s been passed fit to play for Sussex in the t20 tonight. Moeen’s record against Australia with the ball is rank average, he had a decent series with the bat against them in 2015 but there’s no chance he’ll rediscover that kind of form with how he’s batting at he moment.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 26, 2019 13:16:40 GMT
Based on the pre-ashes training squad and the assumption Archer or Wood won't play at Edgbaston:
Roy Denly Stokes (if root won't play 3, someone will have to jig about cause I don't want Burns playing and Stokes is the only one with the temperament I trust.) Root Bairstow Buttler Woakes Curran Leach Anderson Broad
I would have had others (Sibley) play in this game and Foakes in the squad over Bairstow, but based on what they've gone with and the injuries that's the best I can come up with.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 26, 2019 13:26:01 GMT
We won't pick 4 seamers and Stokes. From the sounds I'm hearing, I don't think we'll risk Archer so you need to find another "batsman" Root simply won't bat at 3, unfortunately. I reckon Moeen will still play despite being horribly out of form only because of his record against Australia at home, which is very good. Archer is a strange one, we’ve been hearing he won’t be fit or will be rested for the first test but he’s been passed fit to play for Sussex in the t20 tonight. Moeen’s record against Australia with the ball is rank average, he had a decent series with the bat against them in 2015 but there’s no chance he’ll rediscover that kind of form with how he’s batting at he moment. I guess the concern is volume, it's 4 overs max in the blast and probably good to get him a bit looser, but across 4 days (if we're lucky) his strain might flare up again. It certainly seemed to be a volume issue in the world cup.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2019 13:28:45 GMT
Conditions have come to our "rescue" and we should now win very easily but it doesn't disguise a pitiful 1st innings and other problems. Michael Vaughan has said that when the ball does anything at all, we collapse. He isn't far wrong, is he?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 26, 2019 13:36:58 GMT
Conditions have come to our "rescue" and we should now win very easily but it doesn't disguise a pitiful 1st innings and other problems. Michael Vaughan has said that when the ball does anything at all, we collapse. He isn't far wrong, is he? He's not, but as an underlying problem I'd say it's way more about our approach than lack of talent. Ireland there, clearly had no idea how to play the ball when it was moving that much and got caught in some horrible positions. We on the other hand get out coming down the pitch, wafting way outside off, pulling, hooking, trying to drive the ball straight back down. We do all of that because the mindset is, if you get 50 off 50 then they'll stop bowling well. The trouble is it's getting rarer and rarer that the counter attack comes to fruition so we collapse. England players bar a couple have the technique to play the moving ball, nearly all of these batsman have batted well in difficult conditions at some point. What they currently lack is the application to do so.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 26, 2019 15:02:02 GMT
Based on the pre-ashes training squad and the assumption Archer or Wood won't play at Edgbaston: Roy Denly Stokes (if root won't play 3, someone will have to jig about cause I don't want Burns playing and Stokes is the only one with the temperament I trust.) Root Bairstow Buttler Woakes Curran Leach Anderson Broad I would have had others (Sibley) play in this game and Foakes in the squad over Bairstow, but based on what they've gone with and the injuries that's the best I can come up with. That's not a bad selection but I think Stokes will bat at No.5 and they will bring in another opener, possibly Sibley or Crawley. I think Curran will probably miss out and Moeen will probably get the nod over Leach. If Archer can't play then Stone may be retained as he has genuine pace. Foakes currently has a side strain so is unavailable at the moment.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 26, 2019 15:09:15 GMT
Full and straight. So simple. So wtf didn't we bowl like this at the start of the first innings. Oh I know - at least as far as Broad is concerned. He wasn't driven for 4 before picking up his first wicket. Nice to see Root and Bairstow remember how to catch the ball. Looks very likely we'll now win this game but it's not a game from which we emerge with much credit. Bowlers have a natural length. Taller bowlers like Broad and in previous years Harmison and Caddick will naturally get more bounce and will tend to bowl shorter. Shorter bowlers like Anderson, Curran and the likes of Darren Gough would naturally bowl a fuller length. Of course bowlers should be able to adjust but they are not machines and can't always get it right.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 26, 2019 15:12:49 GMT
After what we’ve seen over the last couple of days my team for Edgbaston would be:
Sibley Denly Root Roy Stokes Foakes Buttler Woakes Leach Broad Anderson
There’s no way we can play Burns, he looks horribly out of form. Sibley is the logical replacement with added bonus of playing at his home ground. I’m not a big fan of Denly but out of himself, Roy and Burns he has the best technique to give himself a chance against the new ball.
Roy would be much better off coming in against an older ball that won’t be doing as much. Root needs to suck it up and bat 3. How quickly our top 3 usually get out there’s hardly any difference between batting 3 and 4 at the moment anyway.
Woakes just pips Curran to the all rounder spot after his bowling today. I really like Curran but just can’t get him into the side unless Woakes isn’t firing. If it’s a green wicket then I’d be tempted to play Curran over Leach and use Root’s part-time spin if needed.
I didn’t originally want Broad in the side but though he bowled really well today and actually pitched the ball up. If Archer is fit then I’d have him over Broad.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2019 15:40:32 GMT
Full and straight. So simple. So wtf didn't we bowl like this at the start of the first innings. Oh I know - at least as far as Broad is concerned. He wasn't driven for 4 before picking up his first wicket. Nice to see Root and Bairstow remember how to catch the ball. Looks very likely we'll now win this game but it's not a game from which we emerge with much credit. Bowlers have a natural length. Taller bowlers like Broad and in previous years Harmison and Caddick will naturally get more bounce and will tend to bowl shorter. Shorter bowlers like Anderson, Curran and the likes of Darren Gough would naturally bowl a fuller length. Of course bowlers should be able to adjust but they are not machines and can't always get it right. While I agree to some degree with what you say, it is actually pish. Because it doesn't explain why Broad and Woakes bowled short in the first innings opening overs but full second time round. The fact is both bowlers bowled badly first time up and well next time. Why this happened is worth considering. For Broad it's less his natural length and more his natural conservatism meaning he goes defensive as soon as he gets driven. For Woakes I reckon it's him getting used to red ball bowling after so much white ball bowling.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2019 15:51:55 GMT
Based on the pre-ashes training squad and the assumption Archer or Wood won't play at Edgbaston: Roy Denly Stokes (if root won't play 3, someone will have to jig about cause I don't want Burns playing and Stokes is the only one with the temperament I trust.) Root Bairstow Buttler Woakes Curran Leach Anderson Broad I would have had others (Sibley) play in this game and Foakes in the squad over Bairstow, but based on what they've gone with and the injuries that's the best I can come up with. That's not a bad selection but I think Stokes will bat at No.5 and they will bring in another opener, possibly Sibley or Crawley. I think Curran will probably miss out and Moeen will probably get the nod over Leach. If Archer can't play then Stone may be retained as he has genuine pace. Foakes currently has a side strain so is unavailable at the moment. I think you are right about Stokes at 5 with ANO coming into the top 3 (They may retain Burns of course) with Curran missing out. I suspect this means Bairstow dropping down to 7. Only thing is who misses from that 11 out if they pick Archer (or Stone)?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2019 15:54:47 GMT
The fact we're all picking different personnel and batting line ups shows just what a problem we have doesn't it?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 16:00:16 GMT
We seem to be in panic mode a bit in red ball cricket, wouldn’t be surprised to see a line up like the one below:
Sibley Roy Bairstow Root Stokes Buttler Foakes Moeen Woakes Broad Anderson
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Post by 3putts on Jul 26, 2019 22:07:43 GMT
After what we’ve seen over the last couple of days my team for Edgbaston would be: Sibley Denly Root Roy Stokes Foakes Buttler Woakes Leach Broad Anderson There’s no way we can play Burns, he looks horribly out of form. Sibley is the logical replacement with added bonus of playing at his home ground. I’m not a big fan of Denly but out of himself, Roy and Burns he has the best technique to give himself a chance against the new ball. Roy would be much better off coming in against an older ball that won’t be doing as much. Root needs to suck it up and bat 3. How quickly our top 3 usually get out there’s hardly any difference between batting 3 and 4 at the moment anyway. Woakes just pips Curran to the all rounder spot after his bowling today. I really like Curran but just can’t get him into the side unless Woakes isn’t firing. If it’s a green wicket then I’d be tempted to play Curran over Leach and use Root’s part-time spin if needed. I didn’t originally want Broad in the side but though he bowled really well today and actually pitched the ball up. If Archer is fit then I’d have him over Broad. There is no way on earth that broad and wakes wont play at edgebaston if anyone misses out it will be jimmy anderson(fitness)
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Post by 3putts on Jul 26, 2019 22:13:02 GMT
The fact we're all picking different personnel and batting line ups shows just what a problem we have doesn't it?! Competition is what spurs players on, I would say it’s a good thing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2019 10:08:01 GMT
England squad for first Ashes Test: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 27, 2019 10:23:17 GMT
Feel foakes and leach should be involved
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 13:24:18 GMT
Plenty of 30-2 starts incoming.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 27, 2019 14:38:36 GMT
Feel foakes and leach should be involved Foakes is injured at the moment. He has a side strain and has missed Surrey's last two games.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 27, 2019 16:10:49 GMT
Plenty of 30-2 starts incoming. That would be a good start for England by recent standards. It's all down to Buttler, Stokes and Root. Cant see runs anywhere else in the team.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 27, 2019 20:26:40 GMT
I am a little concerned with Joe Root coming into this vital series.
His pish about an a substandard pitch at Lords was embarrassing. There were several things substandard at Lords and the wicket was the least of things. Much more substandard was his batting, catching (in the 1st innings - he was of course much better in the 2nd innings).
If we are going to win the series, we need him to perform. Please clear your head Joe. Quit the whining and deliver on the pitch.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2019 20:23:27 GMT
I am a little concerned with Joe Root coming into this vital series. His pish about an a substandard pitch at Lords was embarrassing. There were several things substandard at Lords and the wicket was the least of things. Much more substandard was his batting, catching (in the 1st innings - he was of course much better in the 2nd innings). If we are going to win the series, we need him to perform. Please clear your head Joe. Quit the whining and deliver on the pitch. Substandard pitch where the night watchman nearly got a 100?! He was talking absolute rubbish and Michael Vaughan was nearly left speechless after his interview. His last 3 innings have been bizzare BUT they have been against medium pace bowlers, you'd hope he'd be more comfortable against Australia's pace?!.. Siddle might find him out though if selected.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 29, 2019 7:50:25 GMT
Given how dire the options for the top order are, I would consider opening up with Roy and Bairstow. I know that the skills required of an opening batsmen in tests are vastly different and more challenging, but they have at least built up an understanding as opening batsman and are coming off the back of some good form. It would also free up the possibility of putting Bairstow, Buttler and Foakes in the same team. I have absolutely no idea who should bat at three. I'd also say that Ali's form is so dreadful that I wouldn't bother playing a spinner and would instead go with two of Archer, Woakes and Curran.
Roy Bairstow Somebody Root Stokes Buttler Foakes Woakes Curran Broad Anderson
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 29, 2019 22:01:55 GMT
Given how dire the options for the top order are, I would consider opening up with Roy and Bairstow. I know that the skills required of an opening batsmen in tests are vastly different and more challenging, but they have at least built up an understanding as opening batsman and are coming off the back of some good form. It would also free up the possibility of putting Bairstow, Buttler and Foakes in the same team. I have absolutely no idea who should bat at three. I'd also say that Ali's form is so dreadful that I wouldn't bother playing a spinner and would instead go with two of Archer, Woakes and Curran. Roy Bairstow Somebody Root Stokes Buttler Foakes Woakes Curran Broad Anderson Ali will play, Curran won't. Foakes is injured, Bairstow is never an opener in red ball cricket. Somebody should therefore open, while Anybody could bat at 3. Regrettably we'll go with Nobody (who is likely to make runs) at 2 and 3.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2019 6:15:33 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2019 7:23:43 GMT
Root at 3 makes perfect sense. And about fucking time. Why he didn't do this ahead of the Ireland test (or, indeed, much earlier) is a bigger question. That would have allowed us to consider some different permutations such as having Roy bat at 4 and maybe have opened the door for another opener (Sibley - particularly on his home ground) because Joe Denly is only in the side as a makeweight #3 as we have no other #3 options.
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