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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 11:38:36 GMT
Hopefully, Australia have fallen into the trap we did in 2015 which was bowling first at the Oval having won the Ashes. Never doubting our ability to shoot ourselves in the foot, but there's nothing happening out there at the moment. Lyon should get some turn when he comes on before lunch I'd fancy.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 12, 2019 11:39:51 GMT
Probably the only name that hasn't been mentioned for a recall is Gary Ballance at 3? Absolute run machine for Yorkshire, but had a real deficiency in his technique where he hung back in his crease against the quicks and constantly got caught flat footed. Haven't seen enough of him to comment but if he's worked at getting that out of his game then he'd be the obvious choice with Root going back to his preferred number 4...... He was dropped once to go away and work on his technique but when he came back he still had exactly the same issues. On that basis I would suggest that he is either unable or unwilling to address his deficiencies. He’s actually been dropped twice for the same glaring technical fault. He’s had 3 cracks in the side now and never looked like he could cope playing fast bowling.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 11:41:03 GMT
Peter Siddle's been fucking terrible today.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 12, 2019 11:44:51 GMT
Our partnership for the first wicket today was 27.
That is our highest opening partnership of the series.
Twenty fucking seven.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 11:47:17 GMT
Our partnership for the first wicket today was 27. That is our highest opening partnership of the series. Twenty fucking seven. Not just ours, Australia too. The average for the opening partnership across both sides has been 9!
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Post by AlliG on Sept 12, 2019 11:58:36 GMT
He was dropped once to go away and work on his technique but when he came back he still had exactly the same issues. On that basis I would suggest that he is either unable or unwilling to address his deficiencies. Yeah I get that, still averaged 38 and hit 4 centuries though which some of the latest lot would kill for.......... True but in his last 25 Test innings he only managed 2 scores over 50. His scores from his last 3 series against Australia, Pakistan and South Africa are equally as mediocre as Denly and Burns. The problem is that we are due to tour against a Steyn & Morkel less South Africa this winter, then play Sri Lanka, West Indies and Pakistan before we play India twice in 2021 and then go to Australia, so even if we make changes we could still go into 2021 without knowing whether the batsmen are up to top quality pace bowling. (I know South Africa still have Rabada but Philander and the others while being quality bowlers will not make the batsmen jump around. Moeen could quite easily come back into the team and look quite comfortable).
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 12:04:34 GMT
Australia nursing hangovers here.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 12:58:55 GMT
He's out of nick, but Joe Root being the fastest player in terms of time (6.5 years) and just the 12th Englishman ever to 7000 test match runs is a timely reminder of the fact he's a fantastic player.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 13:08:46 GMT
At least a victory here will give us points on that World Table,or whatever it's called.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 13:51:03 GMT
Burns and Stokes have done a lovely job of gifting their wickets away. Somehow, we find a way don't we?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 14:42:38 GMT
Root,3 dropped catches so far in his innings. What is the record for a Batsman getting dropped during one innings? PS.Batswomen too,before the PC brigade have a go at me.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 15:26:43 GMT
He's copped some fucking balls this series Root. Can't really complain with his 3 chances though.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 15:45:19 GMT
No ball saves Curran but the writing is on the wall here, we're a shambles when the runs dry up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 16:11:26 GMT
A 3-1 series defeat would flatter us. We are absolutely awful.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 12, 2019 16:17:12 GMT
I know you wear White in Tests,but we don't have to change the flag of St.George for a White one also.
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Post by AlliG on Sept 12, 2019 16:26:41 GMT
It is ridiculous that we are being skittled by a bloke who would be a second change County Championship bowler. It would be bad enough if we were 208-7 and Cummins & Hazlewood were taking all the wickets, but, Mitchell Marsh! Have none of our batsmen ever seen gentle medium paced swing bowling before?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 16:31:22 GMT
Of all the shite batting performances in this series I think this one takes the biscuit.
A still pissed Aussie attack who were there for the taking and we've given our first 3 wickets away to allow them back in the game. Then instead of knuckling down against Marsh who was bowling tidily we've decided to start play cross bat shots and air fairy wafts making him look like Waqir Younis.
I despair.....
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 16:36:29 GMT
Unfortunately I predicted this would happen this morning. Nothing to do with the pitch or conditions though, all down to our own utter stupidity.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 16:37:30 GMT
They showed the batting averages for the series earlier, there's literally no difference other than Steve Smith, Warner's averaging 9. But let's be honest, if the bowlers had underperformed the way the batting has we'd have been hammered 4 or 5 nil. Conversely, even a semi competent batting display would have seen us winning the series at a canter despite Smith.
We've squandered a flat deck 3 or 4 times in the series and been punished for it.
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Post by AlliG on Sept 12, 2019 16:52:24 GMT
Well that's one way of getting rid of an Aussie bowler. Always entertaining to see a player getting absolutely no sympathy from his team mates!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 17:29:10 GMT
300 will at least put us in the game, but a deflating day on a belter of a pitch......
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 17:33:08 GMT
It's amazing what you can do with a sound defensive technique and application. The "batsmen" in our side should really be embarrassed by how easy Jack Leach makes it look.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 12, 2019 18:27:02 GMT
Nice to see Buttler finding some form with the bat.
I’ll admit a bias to the man. He is a rare talent. I love watching him bat; the same way I used to enjoy watching Botham and Flintoff. They didn’t do it very often, but when they did, it was always special. I doubt there is much chance he will get to three figures tomorrow, but you never know. It would be great if he got there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:29:06 GMT
Nice to see Buttler finding some form with the bat. I’ll admit a bias to the man. He is a rare talent. I love watching him bat; the same way I used to enjoy watching Botham and Flintoff. They didn’t do it very often, but when they did, it was always special. I doubt there is much chance he will get to three figures tomorrow, but you never know. It would be great if he got there. Buttler is perfect at 6 providing he has proper test match cricketers around him. It needs to be Buttler OR Bairstow, and for me it would be Buttler every time. Both of them is too much of a luxury.....
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 12, 2019 18:34:54 GMT
Nice to see Buttler finding some form with the bat. I’ll admit a bias to the man. He is a rare talent. I love watching him bat; the same way I used to enjoy watching Botham and Flintoff. They didn’t do it very often, but when they did, it was always special. I doubt there is much chance he will get to three figures tomorrow, but you never know. It would be great if he got there. Buttler is perfect at 6 providing he has proper test match cricketers around him. It needs to be Buttler OR Bairstow, and for me it would be Buttler every time. Both of them is too much of a luxury..... Agree 100%. And, of the two, Buttler easily bests Bairstow.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 12, 2019 19:28:29 GMT
Buttler is perfect at 6 providing he has proper test match cricketers around him. It needs to be Buttler OR Bairstow, and for me it would be Buttler every time. Both of them is too much of a luxury..... Agree 100%. And, of the two, Buttler easily bests Bairstow. Agree, I think Buttler deserves to stay in the team and regain his form from last summer. Bairstow keeps getting out in an unacceptable manner for a "proper" batsman. Buttler showed signs at Old Trafford he was starting to get his act back together and he's continued with that today.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Sept 12, 2019 20:44:40 GMT
A 3-1 series defeat would flatter us. We are absolutely awful. Yep said the same to my mates earlier, been concentrating too much on the one day game these last couple of years.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 12, 2019 21:32:12 GMT
A 3-1 series defeat would flatter us. We are absolutely awful. Yep said the same to my mates earlier, been concentrating too much on the one day game these last couple of years. Yes it's quite interesting this discussion. What would most people prefer?.. An Ashes win Or A World Cup win Answers on a postcard please.
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Post by sean on Sept 12, 2019 21:55:57 GMT
Buttler is perfect at 6 providing he has proper test match cricketers around him. It needs to be Buttler OR Bairstow, and for me it would be Buttler every time. Both of them is too much of a luxury..... Agree 100%. And, of the two, Buttler easily bests Bairstow. There is room for both in the team and even as a Lancashire supporter you are being very unfair on Johnny Bairstow who is by far the better batsman of the two and is now close to surpassing the number of test runs Robin Smith scored ans whose overall record and average is on a par with the likes of Lamb, Gatting, Butcher.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 12, 2019 22:23:07 GMT
Yep said the same to my mates earlier, been concentrating too much on the one day game these last couple of years. Yes it's quite interesting this discussion. What would most people prefer?.. An Ashes win Or A World Cup win Answers on a postcard please. Prior to 2005, it would have been the Ashes every single time without fail, and then an Ashes win in Australia to follow it. Having witnessed both of those events, I’m quite happy to finally get the monkey off our backs when it comes to World Cups over another Ashes win. Obviously, I’d prefer us to win both but if we hadn’t had won the World Cup the effort spent making our white ball team as good as it is at the expense of the test team couldn’t have possibly been justified. Bayliss has done terrifically with the white ball side, we were one freak over away from being concurrent T20 and ODI Champions. But that doesn’t come about unless the Test Side suffers. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a test specialist coach in next with the brief to win the Ashes down under.
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