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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 6, 2019 5:41:22 GMT
Same but Curran for Foakes. Another decent bowling option and is more than decent with the bat. Good as he is, and he is a tidy player, Curran ain’t good enough with the bat or the ball to get a place. What England need to do is get the basics of selection right meaning: Pick your best 5 batsmen (including specialist openers) Pick your best all rounder Pick your best keeper Pick your best spinner Pick your best 3 seamers Applying that approach, Curran doesn’t make it. Which is why he shouldn’t make it. He's in better knick with the bat than Foakes isn't he?! Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2019 5:52:08 GMT
Good as he is, and he is a tidy player, Curran ain’t good enough with the bat or the ball to get a place. What England need to do is get the basics of selection right meaning: Pick your best 5 batsmen (including specialist openers) Pick your best all rounder Pick your best keeper Pick your best spinner Pick your best 3 seamers Applying that approach, Curran doesn’t make it. Which is why he shouldn’t make it. He's in better knick with the bat than Foakes isn't he?! Maybe I'm wrong. It doesn’t matter. Foakes ticks the box for the best keeper. Curran, sadly for him, doesn’t tick any of the boxes so shouldn’t be picked.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 6, 2019 6:41:58 GMT
Same but Curran for Foakes. Another decent bowling option and is more than decent with the bat. Good as he is, and he is a tidy player, Curran ain’t good enough with the bat or the ball to get a place. What England need to do is get the basics of selection right meaning: Pick your best 5 batsmen (including specialist openers) Pick your best all rounder Pick your best keeper Pick your best spinner Pick your best 3 seamers Applying that approach, Curran doesn’t make it. Which is why he shouldn’t make it. If they picked the best 5 batsman James Hildreth would have 50+ caps but instead expect someone who has hit a 100 for Surrey to get their obligatory test cap as per usual..... I'd drop Denly the best young batsman is Joe Clarke but he is on the naughty step so god knows who they pick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 6:45:46 GMT
Looks like Woakes is a doubt.
If he does miss out this is where the selectors need to earn there corn, the bold replacement would be Stone as we desperately need pace in the attack, but they would go for Curran as they would be worries about the length of the tail. It’s the wrong mentality for me but that’s would would happen......
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 8:28:47 GMT
Looks like Woakes is a doubt. If he does miss out this is where the selectors need to earn there corn, the bold replacement would be Stone as we desperately need pace in the attack, but they would go for Curran as they would be worries about the length of the tail. It’s the wrong mentality for me but that’s would would happen...... Where have you seen Woakes is a doubt? That would be a massive blow. His average with the ball at Lords is simply ridiculous, think it’s something like 9 runs per wicket.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 8:33:10 GMT
Looks like Woakes is a doubt. If he does miss out this is where the selectors need to earn there corn, the bold replacement would be Stone as we desperately need pace in the attack, but they would go for Curran as they would be worries about the length of the tail. It’s the wrong mentality for me but that’s would would happen...... Where have you seen Woakes is a doubt? That would be a massive blow. His average with the ball at Lords is simply ridiculous, think it’s something like 9 runs per wicket. Might have been a bit hasty, it was a comment Jonathon Agnew made......
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 8:34:35 GMT
Where have you seen Woakes is a doubt? That would be a massive blow. His average with the ball at Lords is simply ridiculous, think it’s something like 9 runs per wicket. Might have been a bit hasty, it was a comment Jonathon Agnew made...... Hopefully just based on how sparsely Root used him the second innings.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 11:34:15 GMT
Archer seems to be over his side strain.
Imagine rocking up to a 2nd team game and having to face that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:59:03 GMT
Archer seems to be over his side strain. Imagine rocking up to a 2nd team game and having to face that. He played it well to be fair. I like the way the kid at the other end refuses a piss easy single to put him on strike...........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 14:58:46 GMT
He finished with 6-27 and was bowling at full pace so fingers crossed he'll be fit and firing for Lords.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 15:27:38 GMT
He finished with 6-27 and was bowling at full pace so fingers crossed he'll be fit and firing for Lords..... He’s currently 55* with the bat too. It will be nice to finally have a bowler that makes the Aussies jump around the crease. Haven’t seen it happen since 2005.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 6, 2019 17:42:12 GMT
He smashed 100 odd off as many ball as well which is a bonus. A fit and firing Archer is more vital than ever with Jimmy out and the question marks surrounding Woakes.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 6, 2019 17:43:55 GMT
He finished with 6-27 and was bowling at full pace so fingers crossed he'll be fit and firing for Lords..... He’s currently 55* with the bat too. It will be nice to finally have a bowler that makes the Aussies jump around the crease. Haven’t seen it happen since 2005. My memory might be a bit off but didn't Tremlett have a really good tour against them a few years back? I remember him being big but not sure if he was as quick as Archer, probably not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 18:06:51 GMT
He’s currently 55* with the bat too. It will be nice to finally have a bowler that makes the Aussies jump around the crease. Haven’t seen it happen since 2005. My memory might be a bit off but didn't Tremlett have a really good tour against them a few years back? I remember him being big but not sure if he was as quick as Archer, probably not. He was excellent in the 2010 tour once he got in the team, they couldn’t handle him at times. Shame he was so injury prone.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 18:11:51 GMT
He’s currently 55* with the bat too. It will be nice to finally have a bowler that makes the Aussies jump around the crease. Haven’t seen it happen since 2005. My memory might be a bit off but didn't Tremlett have a really good tour against them a few years back? I remember him being big but not sure if he was as quick as Archer, probably not. Yea Tremlett was a handful because of his height. He wasn’t quite as quick as Archer but he wasn’t slow by any means.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2019 19:21:26 GMT
Archer seems to be over his side strain. Imagine rocking up to a 2nd team game and having to face that. He played it well to be fair. I like the way the kid at the other end refuses a piss easy single to put him on strike........... I’ll bet a penny to a pound that wasn’t the 6th ball,of the over.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2019 19:32:25 GMT
I doubt any debutant has had to bear the weight of expectation that Jofra Archer bears as we approach the 2nd test.
I don’t doubt, however, that he is anything other than 100% chilled.
Looking forward to you hitting some heads at Lords next week fella.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 19:46:13 GMT
I doubt any debutant has had to bear the weight of expectation that Jofra Archer bears as we approach the 2nd test. I don’t doubt, however, that he is anything other than 100% chilled. Looking forward to you hitting some heads at Lords next week fella. Think it depends on what sort of wicket it is. It's rumoured to be a green one. So perfect for the seamers. Did you see Goughy and Corky on the Debate? Very interesting...
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2019 19:57:06 GMT
I doubt any debutant has had to bear the weight of expectation that Jofra Archer bears as we approach the 2nd test. I don’t doubt, however, that he is anything other than 100% chilled. Looking forward to you hitting some heads at Lords next week fella. Think it depends on what sort of wicket it is. It's rumoured to be a green one. So perfect for the seamers. Did you see Goughy and Corky on the Debate? Very interesting... I download the Debate as a podcast and listen to it as I walk to my work. Have to say I was very disappointed with “Corky”. His opinions just made no sense whatsoever. Basically he is an advocate of the old boys club. Anyway - green top or not. When that ball is 40 overs old you need someone who can work a bit of magic. So, as don’t have a leg spinner to pick, we need a quick who can bowl at 90mph and inject a bit of fear into the opponents. For that, we need Archer.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 20:06:02 GMT
Think it depends on what sort of wicket it is. It's rumoured to be a green one. So perfect for the seamers. Did you see Goughy and Corky on the Debate? Very interesting... I download the Debate as a podcast and listen to it as I walk to my work. Have to say I was very disappointed with “Corky”. His opinions just made no sense whatsoever. Basically he is an advocate of the old boys club. Anyway - green top or not. When that ball is 40 overs old you need someone who can work a bit of magic. So, as don’t have a leg spinner to pick, we need a quick who can bowl at 90mph and inject a bit of fear into the opponents. For that, we need Archer. Cork is a pretty terrible pundit. Like Bumble, he’s very careful not to upset the players by saying anything negative. It all makes for some pretty boring analysis.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 20:13:26 GMT
Think it depends on what sort of wicket it is. It's rumoured to be a green one. So perfect for the seamers. Did you see Goughy and Corky on the Debate? Very interesting... I download the Debate as a podcast and listen to it as I walk to my work. Have to say I was very disappointed with “Corky”. His opinions just made no sense whatsoever. Basically he is an advocate of the old boys club. Anyway - green top or not. When that ball is 40 overs old you need someone who can work a bit of magic. So, as don’t have a leg spinner to pick, we need a quick who can bowl at 90mph and inject a bit of fear into the opponents. For that, we need Archer. But at 40 overs old and the pitch is as flat as a pancake and the ball is as soft as a sponge... he's likely to get twatted all round the place. Especially with his lack of experience. If it is green I would go with Curran. Or maybe even leave out the spinner altogether.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 6, 2019 20:20:24 GMT
I download the Debate as a podcast and listen to it as I walk to my work. Have to say I was very disappointed with “Corky”. His opinions just made no sense whatsoever. Basically he is an advocate of the old boys club. Anyway - green top or not. When that ball is 40 overs old you need someone who can work a bit of magic. So, as don’t have a leg spinner to pick, we need a quick who can bowl at 90mph and inject a bit of fear into the opponents. For that, we need Archer. But at 40 overs old and the pitch is as flat as a pancake and the ball is as soft as a sponge... he's likely to get twatted all round the place. Especially with his lack of experience. If it is green I would go with Curran. Or maybe even leave out the spinner altogether. If you pick Curran over Archer we’re going to have the same problems we’ve had for a few years now with our samey bowling attack. Even if it’s a green seamer it will flatten out and be an excellent batting track on days 2 and 3. Even when the pitch flattens out and the ball is soft, pace is the best weapon. Look how well Cummins bowled in the fourth innings on that lifeless road.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2019 20:52:35 GMT
But at 40 overs old and the pitch is as flat as a pancake and the ball is as soft as a sponge... he's likely to get twatted all round the place. Especially with his lack of experience. If it is green I would go with Curran. Or maybe even leave out the spinner altogether. If you pick Curran over Archer we’re going to have the same problems we’ve had for a few years now with our samey bowling attack. Even if it’s a green seamer it will flatten out and be an excellent batting track on days 2 and 3. Even when the pitch flattens out and the ball is soft, pace is the best weapon. Look how well Cummins bowled in the fourth innings on that lifeless road. Cummins is ranked top five .... Not trying to diss Archer at all.. Just think Lords may be a gig too soon.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 7, 2019 10:41:26 GMT
I doubt any debutant has had to bear the weight of expectation that Jofra Archer bears as we approach the 2nd test. I don’t doubt, however, that he is anything other than 100% chilled. Looking forward to you hitting some heads at Lords next week fella. I will raise you Graeme Hick. Fortunately I think most people (and pundits) expect Archer to be a bit hit and miss for his first few test matches and I think the current England set up will be a bit more supportive.
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Post by thequietman on Aug 7, 2019 11:19:19 GMT
Meanwhile the crims have a 3-day match against Worcester to hone a few things whilst no England players have a FC game ahead of the next test. In fact, other than the tests, the only FC games in England whilst the Blast is on are the Cheltenham Festival.
Cheltenham Fesitval makes pots of cash. Blast games make pots of cash. County games are attended by one man and his dog.
Potential England players aren't getting any FC games in the run up to, and during, the most important test series in the calendar.
Well done, ECB, nice to see you've got your priorities right with your scheduling.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 7, 2019 11:25:02 GMT
Meanwhile the crims have a 3-day match against Worcester to hone a few things whilst no England players have a FC game ahead of the next test. In fact, other than the tests, the only FC games in England whilst the Blast is on are the Cheltenham Festival.
Cheltenham Fesitval makes pots of cash. Blast games make pots of cash. County games are attended by one man and his dog.
Potential England players aren't getting any FC games in the run up to, and during, the most important test series in the calendar.
Well done, ECB, nice to see you've got your priorities right with your scheduling.
Was just posting the same. Have now deleted as you make the same points. Beggars belief. How come Australian players are getting more 3 day match practice than home players??? Expect while Australia are working stuff out in game time England will sitting around telling each other how talented they are and how they just have to go out and play their 'natural' game.
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Post by thequietman on Aug 7, 2019 11:38:26 GMT
Meanwhile the crims have a 3-day match against Worcester to hone a few things whilst no England players have a FC game ahead of the next test. In fact, other than the tests, the only FC games in England whilst the Blast is on are the Cheltenham Festival.
Cheltenham Fesitval makes pots of cash. Blast games make pots of cash. County games are attended by one man and his dog.
Potential England players aren't getting any FC games in the run up to, and during, the most important test series in the calendar.
Well done, ECB, nice to see you've got your priorities right with your scheduling.
Was just posting the same. Have now deleted as you make the same points. Beggars belief. How come Australian players are getting more 3 day match practice than home players??? Expect while Australia are working stuff out in game time England will sitting around telling each other how talented they are and how they just have to go out and play their 'natural' game. It's always happened, tbh. Counties want to play the crims especially as they'll get crowds in for those games. Always used to be agreements between the ECB & the counties to allow a certain number of touring XI vs counties games, especially Australia.
But it's free practice for them whilst our players only have a few nets and no match practice at all. Couldn't even have any Test XI vs Lions games etc. as everyone outside the test squad is playing in the blast.
Cash is king for the ECB.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 7, 2019 12:06:19 GMT
Bancfroft channelling his inner Jonny Bairstow.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2019 13:05:09 GMT
Olly Stone has gone down with a stress fracture. Out for 2 weeks.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2019 7:17:56 GMT
A wee aside from the Ashes.
I watched the Leicester Something’s take on the Warwickshire Something else’s yesterday evening in the Something or other T20 Blast and witnessed something special.
The best ever bowling return in a T20 game: 7-18 by this guy called Colin Ackerman, the Leicestershire captain.
What made this achievement incredible is he is a part time offie, and even more incredible he basically bowled a load of flat half trackers that the Warwickshire batsmen instead of playing back to and smacking for 6, kept coming forward to and getting out.
Anyway, respect to the man. A world record.
Thankfully, as Mr Ackerman is South African who has qualified for the Netherlands, we won’t have to worry about this achievement bringing him into the debate about who England should choose to bowl off spin in the Lords test.
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