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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 14:19:29 GMT
Curran should've been given the new ball, he's a swing bowler and that's his job. Broad is just reminding me on why he needs dropping, too short and too many balls the batsmen could leave without a fuss. Stuart Broad has become the Joe Allen of English cricket - gets the blame for everything even though people are failing all around him. There were even people on here moaning when he got out even though the eight batsmen above him did nothing. Meanwhile Chris Woakes is showing again why he shouldn't be anywhere near the test team but people seem to like him so that's okay. I'll cut Woakes a little slack in as much as he needs to rediscover a test length after bowling ODI lengths for the last couple of months. Broad has no excuse. Just that lamentable tendency to bowl short.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 24, 2019 14:21:23 GMT
Broad gets in the side because he’s Stuart Broad. If players were picked on current form he’d be nowhere near the side. That could be said for a number of this side. He’s taken 17 wickets in the county championship this season. How can he be expected to take wickets at international level when he’s struggling to take them at club level? In fairness to him, the pitches at Trent Bridge this year have been dustbowls in preparation for Ashwin. But the wider point is valid, there's some very good in form young county bowlers who should be getting a look in, especially in games like this which we should be winning. That’s true but even Luke Fletcher has managed 24 wickets in the same team. As has already been said, he’s sacred to pitch the ball up. He’s always been at his best when he’s bowling full and encouraging the batsman to drive.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 24, 2019 14:22:18 GMT
He's a handy little player Sam Curran, in every sense. Handy - yes. A bits and pieces player. A throwback to the all rounders we used routinely in the 90s who were neither good enough with bat or ball to justify a place in the team. I think that's a little harsh, he was terrific last year vs India and a big part of winning that series, way more so than Stokes. He had a bad time against the West Indies but so did the entire squad. At 21, he's hardly the county veteran trundler we used to trot out ad infinitum in the 90s either. Got a lot of time to prove himself yet.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 14:32:41 GMT
Handy - yes. A bits and pieces player. A throwback to the all rounders we used routinely in the 90s who were neither good enough with bat or ball to justify a place in the team. I think that's a little harsh, he was terrific last year vs India and a big part of winning that series, way more so than Stokes. He had a bad time against the West Indies but so did the entire squad. At 21, he's hardly the county veteran trundler we used to trot out ad infinitum in the 90s either. Got a lot of time to prove himself yet. Yeah - it's a bit harsh. But not unfair. I don't see how you can be a front line quick bowling at 75mph. (Even noting Murtagh's success today!). Btw - I don't see Stokes as a front line bowler either. He is, however, a good 4th seamer (or 5th bowler). But that is fine because he is the all rounder. Which is the only place I can see in the long term for Curran, assuming his batting is up to the task.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 24, 2019 14:39:07 GMT
Root drops a ridiculous amount of the catches in the slips. I’d be demanding he buggers off and fields somewhere else if I was a bowler.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 14:45:02 GMT
Root drops a ridiculous amount of the catches in the slips. I’d be demanding he buggers off and fields somewhere else if I was a bowler. I think I'd also be wanting to see the best keeper we have available wearing the gloves.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 24, 2019 14:45:34 GMT
I think that's a little harsh, he was terrific last year vs India and a big part of winning that series, way more so than Stokes. He had a bad time against the West Indies but so did the entire squad. At 21, he's hardly the county veteran trundler we used to trot out ad infinitum in the 90s either. Got a lot of time to prove himself yet. Yeah - it's a bit harsh. But not unfair. I don't see how you can be a front line quick bowling at 75mph. (Even noting Murtagh's success today!). Btw - I don't see Stokes as a front line bowler either. He is, however, a good 4th seamer (or 5th bowler). But that is fine because he is the all rounder. Which is the only place I can see in the long term for Curran, assuming his batting is up to the task. He'll change as his career goes on, if you'd told me Jimmy Anderson would mature into the bowler he is today when he first broke onto the scene, I'd have laughed in your face. Whilst it's hard to add pace it certainly can be done. Bhuveneshwar Kumar added a bit of nip to his game as he got older and I'm sure Curran will do the same. As I say, at 21 he's got plenty of time on his side. He'll still likely to be in his 20s when Stokes retires, for a measure of how young he is.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 24, 2019 14:47:50 GMT
Root drops a ridiculous amount of the catches in the slips. I’d be demanding he buggers off and fields somewhere else if I was a bowler. I think I'd also be wanting to see the best keeper we have available wearing the gloves. Especially considering he’s also a better batsman than most in this side.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 24, 2019 15:05:58 GMT
This is just an absolute horror show so far, Ireland creaming along at 4 an over.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 24, 2019 15:12:59 GMT
It’s just dead out there for England. Root hasn’t got a clue what to do, he could at least try and gee the team up though instead of just standing there with a face like a smacked arse.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 24, 2019 15:18:30 GMT
The administrators made this a four day game because they didn't think Ireland were strong enough to deserve a five day match. Looks like England are going to be praying for rain.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 24, 2019 15:56:05 GMT
Cracking spell this from Stone after tea.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 16:01:20 GMT
The administrators made this a four day game because they didn't think Ireland were strong enough to deserve a five day match. Looks like England are going to be praying for rain. Remember the playing time in each day has been extended so it's sort of like cramming 5 days into 4. That said, it was a safe bet this test wouldn't need 5 full days. Ireland's batting ain't up to much - as we are seeing just now. If England had bowled competently and caught properly there's a fair chance they wouldn't have made three figures. As it is, I wouldn't be too surprised to see England batting for a second time before stumps today. Hopefully, second time round for us we don't, once again, bat like twats.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 24, 2019 16:29:51 GMT
Definitely game on now, you'd probably get good money for at least one England wicket being down before stumps.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 24, 2019 16:43:56 GMT
Definitely game on now, you'd probably get good money for at least one England wicket being down before stumps. And that wicket will of course be Roy wafting outside off stump in one day mode (hopefully not)
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 24, 2019 17:32:31 GMT
England gonna have to bat for at least a day to avoid defeat one would reckon.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 24, 2019 17:50:02 GMT
One of the vagueries of cricket, that wicket could hurt us in the long run!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 17:51:51 GMT
Ireland 207 all out - lead of 122 !
What a shambles !
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 18:35:55 GMT
England gonna have to bat for at least a day to avoid defeat one would reckon. If we bat all day tomorrow we'll most likely be in a good position to win this game. That's the only crumb of satisfaction to take from today - we can still win this test.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 24, 2019 18:43:11 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 18:44:35 GMT
A shockingly bad day for English cricket - even compared to recent hapless performances.
Curran and Stone are the only ones to come out of it with their reputations not damaged.
The rest were a mess.
Special mention to Joe Root for a particularly miserable day with Bairstow, Mo and Broad (despite his 3 wickets) not far behind with their performances.
The donkey of the day award though goes to Woakes. Didn't bother the scorers with his bat then bowls the most insipid stuff. I was prepared to cut him some slack for length in his first spell as he adjusted to Rd ball cricket after the World Cup, but that doesn't excuse his appalling direction throughout (far too much down the leg side) and how slow he was: 78-82 mph is dreadful. No wickets and no runs.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 25, 2019 10:26:27 GMT
Good work so far from Leach, taking some shine off that ball!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2019 10:44:37 GMT
Burns out looking like the night watchmen as Leach continues without much fuss at all... *sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 10:45:15 GMT
Burns doesn’t look anywhere near good enough for test cricket.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 25, 2019 10:45:22 GMT
Burns out looking like the night watchmen as Leach continues without much fuss at all... *sigh* WTF is he trying to play at there.....on 7th stump FFS.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2019 10:49:30 GMT
Burns out looking like the night watchmen as Leach continues without much fuss at all... *sigh* WTF is he trying to play at there.....on 7th stump FFS. He's all over the shop, I'm struggling to see him lasting past an hour (at best) against the Aussie's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 10:54:02 GMT
RIP Monty.
Time for Sibley......
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 25, 2019 11:24:30 GMT
It will be great if Ireland can gain some success in Test Cricket, the game desperately needs more active participants. I just hope Test Cricket can survive the T20/Hundred onslaught.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 25, 2019 11:36:46 GMT
Burns looks as though he has been getting coaching tips from Keaton Jennings. Leach is looking as good as any of our top order. It is a roasting hot day and a wicket that's not doing much. The bowling attack is moderate and contains a 37 year old and a 35 year old. If we can't bat well today we never will. I feel a bit sorry for Ireland having to field extended hours in this weather. They will be out on their feet by tea.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 25, 2019 12:14:56 GMT
Roy making a great case for himself......at 3.....
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