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Post by followyoudown on Apr 14, 2020 19:17:19 GMT
And thats your take from this ? Not that right up until the final minutes in power they denied there was any anti semitism problem now their line is they couldn't do anything because some blairites were being nasty about them on whatsapp. The gotcha evidence is actually someone repeating what someone else was saying about them. Labours own lawyers refused to submit this evidence as it was so weak and actually undermined their submissions to the EHRC, the leaking of this along with the libel actions that will follow the EHRC report means there is a good chance it will be bankrupted and there was some debate a while back whether the members become liable then. The report starts by saying there is anti semitism problem. The leadership acknowledged there was anti semitism. The report merely points to the fact that the infighting actually meant that some on the party structure were escalating/ using the crisis to damage the leadership. A failure to acknowledge that is a failure to see the whole situation. The party is broken right now, if Starmer does not cut out these people who worked against election chances in 17 and willfully made the anti semitism crisis more about undermining Corbyn that reassuring Jews then it will continue to be broken. He has a golden opportunity. The report starts by saying there is an anti semitism problem despite the very same people who wrote this having spent the best part of three years denying there was a problem and that it was just a witchhunt, smear blah blah - I must have missed the apology to the jewish community for getting it wrong then ? The very same people also gave Shami a place in the Lords for saying there was no antisemitism. It's actually laughable that people actually believe this shit it was the blairites what stopped us doing it, no one doubts there was factional fallouts in Labour but there is no evidence of what is claimed other than someone saying what the deluded twats were thinking, this report has found its way onto various far right, neo nazi websites along with the like of hamas and the people named are getting abuse. The people behind this fairy tale and its leaking deserve every fine, suspension, libel and defamation claim that will come their way.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 15, 2020 10:03:34 GMT
The report starts by saying there is anti semitism problem. The leadership acknowledged there was anti semitism. The report merely points to the fact that the infighting actually meant that some on the party structure were escalating/ using the crisis to damage the leadership. A failure to acknowledge that is a failure to see the whole situation. The party is broken right now, if Starmer does not cut out these people who worked against election chances in 17 and willfully made the anti semitism crisis more about undermining Corbyn that reassuring Jews then it will continue to be broken. He has a golden opportunity. The report starts by saying there is an anti semitism problem despite the very same people who wrote this having spent the best part of three years denying there was a problem and that it was just a witchhunt, smear blah blah - I must have missed the apology to the jewish community for getting it wrong then ? The very same people also gave Shami a place in the Lords for saying there was no antisemitism. It's actually laughable that people actually believe this shit it was the blairites what stopped us doing it, no one doubts there was factional fallouts in Labour but there is no evidence of what is claimed other than someone saying what the deluded twats were thinking, this report has found its way onto various far right, neo nazi websites along with the like of hamas and the people named are getting abuse. The people behind this fairy tale and its leaking deserve every fine, suspension, libel and defamation claim that will come their way. The leadership never claimed there was no anti semitism. The report shines a light on the processes, on the fact that one abusive person accounted for a massive amount of the claims and that Labour Party staffers acted against the interests of the Party and in a way that impeded the effectiveness of the processes and increased fears of Jewish people. Fwiw I'd like a lot more transparency in all aspects of public life. My main gripe with the EU was its opacity. Cameras and mics should ge fitted in every room in Brussels, Westminster and any organisation that sees itself as democratic. The whole, self interested show needs exposing. Sadly not like this, but whilst there is a lack of transparency such conflict of interest through politics and the media then whistleblowing is a last resort that will be taken.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 15, 2020 12:38:40 GMT
The report starts by saying there is an anti semitism problem despite the very same people who wrote this having spent the best part of three years denying there was a problem and that it was just a witchhunt, smear blah blah - I must have missed the apology to the jewish community for getting it wrong then ? The very same people also gave Shami a place in the Lords for saying there was no antisemitism. It's actually laughable that people actually believe this shit it was the blairites what stopped us doing it, no one doubts there was factional fallouts in Labour but there is no evidence of what is claimed other than someone saying what the deluded twats were thinking, this report has found its way onto various far right, neo nazi websites along with the like of hamas and the people named are getting abuse. The people behind this fairy tale and its leaking deserve every fine, suspension, libel and defamation claim that will come their way. The leadership never claimed there was no anti semitism. The report shines a light on the processes, on the fact that one abusive person accounted for a massive amount of the claims and that Labour Party staffers acted against the interests of the Party and in a way that impeded the effectiveness of the processes and increased fears of Jewish people. Fwiw I'd like a lot more transparency in all aspects of public life. My main gripe with the EU was its opacity. Cameras and mics should ge fitted in every room in Brussels, Westminster and any organisation that sees itself as democratic. The whole, self interested show needs exposing. Sadly not like this, but whilst there is a lack of transparency such conflict of interest through politics and the media then whistleblowing is a last resort that will be taken. It's not whistleblowing though, the report was commissioned by Formby and written by people who work for her, so thats the people who didnt sort out the problems in 3 years, who directly interferred in decisions, who used private emails to avoid scrutiny issuing a report saying it wasn't their fault, its laughable if Matt Hancock issues a report saying anything that went wrong during the covid crisis wasn't his fault would you accept that ? Over 70 staff whistleblowers who worked under both or either of the last two general secretaries have given evidence to the EHRC, the last general secretary was put into the Lords by Corbyn, show me a single newspaper report that predates this that has a comment or story about the cult complaining about members not being kicked out for antisemitism or how they were being blocked from taking stronger action, the report is a work of fiction on a par with Harry Potter for believability and all those involved in this sorry affair deserve every fine and libel action coming their way.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 15, 2020 14:07:00 GMT
The leadership never claimed there was no anti semitism. The report shines a light on the processes, on the fact that one abusive person accounted for a massive amount of the claims and that Labour Party staffers acted against the interests of the Party and in a way that impeded the effectiveness of the processes and increased fears of Jewish people. Fwiw I'd like a lot more transparency in all aspects of public life. My main gripe with the EU was its opacity. Cameras and mics should ge fitted in every room in Brussels, Westminster and any organisation that sees itself as democratic. The whole, self interested show needs exposing. Sadly not like this, but whilst there is a lack of transparency such conflict of interest through politics and the media then whistleblowing is a last resort that will be taken. It's not whistleblowing though, the report was commissioned by Formby and written by people who work for her, so thats the people who didnt sort out the problems in 3 years, who directly interferred in decisions, who used private emails to avoid scrutiny issuing a report saying it wasn't their fault, its laughable if Matt Hancock issues a report saying anything that went wrong during the covid crisis wasn't his fault would you accept that ? Over 70 staff whistleblowers who worked under both or either of the last two general secretaries have given evidence to the EHRC, the last general secretary was put into the Lords by Corbyn, show me a single newspaper report that predates this that has a comment or story about the cult complaining about members not being kicked out for antisemitism or how they were being blocked from taking stronger action, the report is a work of fiction on a par with Harry Potter for believability and all those involved in this sorry affair deserve every fine and libel action coming their way. I'm sorry you have a strong opinion on something you know so little about but I'm not doing your homework for you. I'm sure a quick google search for Mcnichol + Formby + delay will come up with plenty of articles from last year. As for an inquiry into this crisis, I'm sure any thing of that nature will either be delayed until public opinion has softened or those involved are retired or dead like Hillsborough, Orgreave or paedophilia rings, in two parts where the second never happens like leveson, or shoved up Boris' bumcrack like the Russian one. However if there were evidence of such a big rift in the Tory party that some were undermining Hancocks attempts at competence on PPE provision etc I would expect that to see the light of day and the cunts exposed. But that's just me.
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Post by vokeswagen on Apr 15, 2020 16:05:59 GMT
The leadership never claimed there was no anti semitism. The report shines a light on the processes, on the fact that one abusive person accounted for a massive amount of the claims and that Labour Party staffers acted against the interests of the Party and in a way that impeded the effectiveness of the processes and increased fears of Jewish people. Fwiw I'd like a lot more transparency in all aspects of public life. My main gripe with the EU was its opacity. Cameras and mics should ge fitted in every room in Brussels, Westminster and any organisation that sees itself as democratic. The whole, self interested show needs exposing. Sadly not like this, but whilst there is a lack of transparency such conflict of interest through politics and the media then whistleblowing is a last resort that will be taken. It's not whistleblowing though, the report was commissioned by Formby and written by people who work for her, so thats the people who didnt sort out the problems in 3 years, who directly interferred in decisions, who used private emails to avoid scrutiny issuing a report saying it wasn't their fault, its laughable if Matt Hancock issues a report saying anything that went wrong during the covid crisis wasn't his fault would you accept that ?Over 70 staff whistleblowers who worked under both or either of the last two general secretaries have given evidence to the EHRC, the last general secretary was put into the Lords by Corbyn, show me a single newspaper report that predates this that has a comment or story about the cult complaining about members not being kicked out for antisemitism or how they were being blocked from taking stronger action, the report is a work of fiction on a par with Harry Potter for believability and all those involved in this sorry affair deserve every fine and libel action coming their way. Thousands wouldn't. Safe to say you would though
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 15, 2020 16:11:14 GMT
It's not whistleblowing though, the report was commissioned by Formby and written by people who work for her, so thats the people who didnt sort out the problems in 3 years, who directly interferred in decisions, who used private emails to avoid scrutiny issuing a report saying it wasn't their fault, its laughable if Matt Hancock issues a report saying anything that went wrong during the covid crisis wasn't his fault would you accept that ?Over 70 staff whistleblowers who worked under both or either of the last two general secretaries have given evidence to the EHRC, the last general secretary was put into the Lords by Corbyn, show me a single newspaper report that predates this that has a comment or story about the cult complaining about members not being kicked out for antisemitism or how they were being blocked from taking stronger action, the report is a work of fiction on a par with Harry Potter for believability and all those involved in this sorry affair deserve every fine and libel action coming their way. Thousands wouldn't. Safe to say you would though And maybe millions will say he tried his best
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Post by vokeswagen on Apr 15, 2020 17:44:38 GMT
Thousands wouldn't. Safe to say you would though And maybe millions will say he tried his best Maybe they will. I'm sure Nathan Jones tried his best too
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 15, 2020 17:48:12 GMT
And maybe millions will say he tried his best Maybe they will. I'm sure Nathan Jones tried his best too I do believe he did But trying your best and being competent is not mutually exclusive
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 18, 2020 9:24:40 GMT
It's not whistleblowing though, the report was commissioned by Formby and written by people who work for her, so thats the people who didnt sort out the problems in 3 years, who directly interferred in decisions, who used private emails to avoid scrutiny issuing a report saying it wasn't their fault, its laughable if Matt Hancock issues a report saying anything that went wrong during the covid crisis wasn't his fault would you accept that ?Over 70 staff whistleblowers who worked under both or either of the last two general secretaries have given evidence to the EHRC, the last general secretary was put into the Lords by Corbyn, show me a single newspaper report that predates this that has a comment or story about the cult complaining about members not being kicked out for antisemitism or how they were being blocked from taking stronger action, the report is a work of fiction on a par with Harry Potter for believability and all those involved in this sorry affair deserve every fine and libel action coming their way. Thousands wouldn't. Safe to say you would though You're not wrong there! All you need to know when reading an FYD post is that, for him, the Tories can do no wrong and no opposition parties can do right. Don't expect anything approaching a balanced viewpoint!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 18, 2020 14:00:10 GMT
Because it's Saturday
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 22, 2020 11:37:29 GMT
Aye up, here's a 70 year old who should be isolating. Luckily his wife was around with a camera to post it on social media or we'd never know what a saint he is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 11:42:14 GMT
Aye up, here's a 70 year old who should be isolating. Luckily his wife was around with a camera to post it on social media or we'd never know what a saint he is. Jeremy Corbyn, still living rent free in roger's head.....
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 22, 2020 11:56:32 GMT
Aye up, here's a 70 year old who should be isolating. Luckily his wife was around with a camera to post it on social media or we'd never know what a saint he is. How can you find fault with this? It doesn't matter which side of the bench someone sits on in times like this. Anyone putting themselves out to help vulnerable people should be applauded whether they are Tory, Labour or whoever. Well Done Jeremy and to everyone else going out of their way to help other people.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 22, 2020 12:49:44 GMT
Aye up, here's a 70 year old who should be isolating. Luckily his wife was around with a camera to post it on social media or we'd never know what a saint he is. How can you find fault with this? It doesn't matter which side of the bench someone sits on in times like this. Anyone putting themselves out to help vulnerable people should be applauded whether they are Tory, Labour or whoever. Well Done Jeremy and to everyone else going out of their way to help other people. Corbyn is 70 years old. He should be self isolating as should anyone aged 70 or older.
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 22, 2020 13:40:05 GMT
How can you find fault with this? It doesn't matter which side of the bench someone sits on in times like this. Anyone putting themselves out to help vulnerable people should be applauded whether they are Tory, Labour or whoever. Well Done Jeremy and to everyone else going out of their way to help other people. Corbyn is 70 years old. He should be self isolating as should anyone aged 70 or older. He is preparing food to be delivered, it looks as though he is well isolated enough to me. This has nothing to do with his age anyway it's about who it is. People can't help but attack him even when he is doing good for his community, it's pretty sad.
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Post by Kilo on Apr 22, 2020 14:08:48 GMT
Corbyn is 70 years old. He should be self isolating as should anyone aged 70 or older. He is preparing food to be delivered, it looks as though he is well isolated enough to me. This has nothing to do with his age anyway it's about who it is. People can't help but attack him even when he is doing good for his community, it's pretty sad. My Dad is over 70. If he was stupid enough to leave the house and go to a Community centre to prepare food so he could post a photo on twitter then I'd be telling him he was a twat!
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 22, 2020 17:28:06 GMT
Aye up, here's a 70 year old who should be isolating. Luckily his wife was around with a camera to post it on social media or we'd never know what a saint he is. How can you find fault with this? It doesn't matter which side of the bench someone sits on in times like this. Anyone putting themselves out to help vulnerable people should be applauded whether they are Tory, Labour or whoever. Well Done Jeremy and to everyone else going out of their way to help other people. The guidelines are just that guidelines, he is free to follow them or not or live his life as he sees fit, if he has no symptoms himself don't see any problem myself, but weird his wife feels the need to put it on social media and refer to him not as hubby or jeremy but jeremy corbyn but then I guess as the x factor contestents find out each year fame is very fickle.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 22, 2020 17:29:28 GMT
Aye up, here's a 70 year old who should be isolating. Luckily his wife was around with a camera to post it on social media or we'd never know what a saint he is. Jeremy Corbyn, still living rent free in roger's head..... Rishi extended the scheme to failing politicians as well as failing business then
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 28, 2020 17:04:55 GMT
Didnt want to put this on the wrong thread so here will do, has some interesting views this fella....
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Post by followyoudown on May 18, 2020 19:55:48 GMT
Exceptional fuckwitedness thats another court case lost before it starts.
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Post by bathstoke on May 24, 2020 6:25:58 GMT
Boris Johnson, he’s the new Jeremy Corbyn #TheNewCorbyn
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 24, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
Boris Johnson, he’s the new Jeremy Corbyn #TheNewCorbyn Indeed, the problem with clowns is that they're no use when things turn serious. Winging it, bluffing and blustering your way through everything is all well and good when things are fine. But, as we've just seen, when you need them to actually govern, they're found sadly wanting. Given that we have the forthcoming recession and Brexit still to come, you wonder how long his 'amusing bumbler' shtick will last with the public?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 28, 2020 18:05:31 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 10, 2020 8:35:50 GMT
Oh dear the dossier falls apart, shocked I am, more libel and fines incoming, Jeremy has to be the unluckiest anti racist going unless you know.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 22:25:46 GMT
Oh dear the dossier falls apart, shocked I am, more libel and fines incoming, Jeremy has to be the unluckiest anti racist going unless you know..... Desperate stuff from the Jewish Daily Mail there.......
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 25, 2020 10:34:38 GMT
Oh from the horses mouth literally
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 25, 2020 11:21:59 GMT
Maybe they will. I'm sure Nathan Jones tried his best too I do believe he did But trying your best and being competent is not mutually exclusive Matt Hancock- the Nathan Jones of political discourse 😂 ‘We’ve got a really good group here and God willing we’ll get through this’
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 12:21:21 GMT
Oh from the horses mouth literally Sounds like unsubstantiated waffle to be honest. Always good to have a healthy adult debate though.....
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 25, 2020 13:04:10 GMT
Oh from the horses mouth literally Are we really going to go down the how shit the IHRA working definition of antisemitism is rabbit hole again. So shit half of the Jewish population would get entangled in it too. The nation state of Israel should be no where near a definition of anti semitism. As far as I recall it was first devised by some chap for an EU body but never even adopted. One of their big mistakes was ever humouring that definition. But of course if you point out its flaws and potential to conflate the finger is pointed anyway. And all the while people get too scared to advocate for long suffering palestinians by criticising israel.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 25, 2020 13:19:15 GMT
I can't believe anyone is still bothering to try to score party political points about a man who pretty much lost all relevance to that aspect of politics last December...seems like a rather desperate attempt to rake over the coals to me...
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