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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2020 10:42:17 GMT
I think you misread what I first said You said “it’s not about what it stands for it’s about what it stands against” I’m simply asking you to clarify what it stands against mate? I meant centrism not socialism
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 12, 2020 11:01:04 GMT
I think that the response to this revelation by some on here and on social media prove once and for all that those with the biggest mouths and the loudest voices regarding ant-Semitism do not in fact give the slightest fuck about the welfare of Jewish people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 11:05:02 GMT
You said “it’s not about what it stands for it’s about what it stands against” I’m simply asking you to clarify what it stands against mate? I meant centrism not socialism A real ringing endorsement that Harry. “What do we want?” “Real social change and equality” “When do we want it?” “Well erm we lead a fairly comfortable lifestyle at the moment so maybe let’s not rock the boat just yet”
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2020 12:44:29 GMT
I meant centrism not socialism A real ringing endorsement that Harry. “What do we want?” “Real social change and equality” “When do we want it?” “Well erm we lead a fairly comfortable lifestyle at the moment so maybe let’s not rock the boat just yet” I would love social equality , any government that promises to end zero hours contracts will get my vote . This doesn't affect me in any way I just think it's an abomination. Same with public sector pay , same with low cost homes . What I will never support is the shady agenda of politicians such as Corbyn with his cronies
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 13:18:38 GMT
A real ringing endorsement that Harry. “What do we want?” “Real social change and equality” “When do we want it?” “Well erm we lead a fairly comfortable lifestyle at the moment so maybe let’s not rock the boat just yet” I would love social equality , any government that promises to end zero hours contracts will get my vote . This doesn't affect me in any way I just think it's an abomination. Same with public sector pay , same with low cost homes . What I will never support is the shady agenda of politicians such as Corbyn with his cronies Shame, Corbyn’s Labour Party pledged to end zero hours contracts you had your chance. Shady agenda is a bit without substance Harry, I see plenty of shady agendas with the current lot also. Hey ho......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 13:43:41 GMT
That's fine, but it isn't what I believe in. Being left wing in this country is a minority, we're simply quite a right wing nation, and that's why I take issue with people pretending they'd have voted labour if it wasn't just for Corbyn. Whilst I respect your opinion you take issue with other people's 😕 I don't take issue with their opinion, I just think it's a bit of a cop out to pretend they'd have voted labour if it wasn't for JC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 13:44:57 GMT
If you can describe one single thing that Trotsky or Marx stood for then I'll give you my life savings. Marx stood for anti Semitism ! now can I have my £20 please. Definitely, that's definitely what people take from Marx's writings into the modern world. ffs.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2020 14:46:44 GMT
I would love social equality , any government that promises to end zero hours contracts will get my vote . This doesn't affect me in any way I just think it's an abomination. Same with public sector pay , same with low cost homes . What I will never support is the shady agenda of politicians such as Corbyn with his cronies Shame, Corbyn’s Labour Party pledged to end zero hours contracts you had your chance. Shady agenda is a bit without substance Harry, I see plenty of shady agendas with the current lot also. Hey ho...... He did mate , shame he was so toxic to many people
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 12, 2020 14:59:02 GMT
Marx stood for anti Semitism ! now can I have my £20 please. Definitely, that's definitely what people take from Marx's writings into the modern world. ffs. He definitely did that is without question where is my money I will take Pay Pal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 15:03:28 GMT
Definitely, that's definitely what people take from Marx's writings into the modern world. ffs. He definitely did that is without question where is my money I will take Pay Pal. Congratulations, you've earned my life savings, a debt of ~70K from student loans
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 12, 2020 15:09:53 GMT
If you can describe one single thing that Trotsky or Marx stood for then I'll give you my life savings. Marx stood for anti Semitism ! now can I have my £20 please. Carpsey, You made a joke👏🏼
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Post by hoffgreen on Apr 12, 2020 17:43:32 GMT
What is "anti semitism" ?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 12, 2020 21:20:53 GMT
I think that the response to this revelation by some on here and on social media prove once and for all that those with the biggest mouths and the loudest voices regarding ant-Semitism do not in fact give the slightest fuck about the welfare of Jewish people. An impressive reverse ferret there momo some way behind racist grandpa's mind who for years denied the existence of anti semitism now they produce 860 page dossiers that even Labour's lawyers told them not to submit as it harms their case. In all the evidence they have produced the most they have is people didnt like Corbyn wow some revealation that ! There is nothing to back up the sabotage claims whereas they are direct documented interventions by corbyn and his team in disciplinary procedure. All this document proves is extra back up for the actionable libel claims and add in the fact that as the report contains the details of the complaints, a nice big incoming fine from the information commissioner.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2020 7:14:37 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2020 11:06:47 GMT
Oh dear couldnt happen to a nicer set of people.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 13, 2020 11:13:45 GMT
Oh dear couldnt happen to a nicer set of people. Nice to see Labour are fully supporting the rights of freedom of speach And protecting Whistleblowers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 14:18:08 GMT
Oh dear couldnt happen to a nicer set of people. LAAS and Euan Phillips, responsible for a massive chunk of the antisemitism complaints that turned out to be neither antisemitic or by members of the Labour Party. The guy is a total crank......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 14:58:28 GMT
As someone who was never a member of any party prior to Labour's 2017 manifesto, that report is unbearable reading. Comments about the 'paranoid' viewings of corbyn fans seem to be pretty true, and it very much makes me question where my money deserves to go.
I can't see labour winning anything for a long time after this. A huge majority of the new left wing people brought in, who increased the vote share in 2017 will probably leave, and who can blame them. A party actively working against the will of its membership to discredit the very party they work 'for'. So much for 'we just want to win elections' eh?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2020 15:48:50 GMT
Oh dear couldnt happen to a nicer set of people. LAAS and Euan Phillips, responsible for a massive chunk of the antisemitism complaints that turned out to be neither antisemitic or by members of the Labour Party. The guy is a total crank...... I think you will find they are anything but cranks.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 13, 2020 15:51:14 GMT
As someone who was never a member of any party prior to Labour's 2017 manifesto, that report is unbearable reading. Comments about the 'paranoid' viewings of corbyn fans seem to be pretty true, and it very much makes me question where my money deserves to go. I can't see labour winning anything for a long time after this. A huge majority of the new left wing people brought in, who increased the vote share in 2017 will probably leave, and who can blame them. A party actively working against the will of its membership to discredit the very party they work 'for'. So much for 'we just want to win elections' eh? The centre attracts the least principled. It's where power lies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 15:55:02 GMT
LAAS and Euan Phillips, responsible for a massive chunk of the antisemitism complaints that turned out to be neither antisemitic or by members of the Labour Party. The guy is a total crank...... I think you will find they are anything but cranks. So now you're quoting Mirror phone hacker Lee Harpin to me, liar and peddler of bullshit from the soon to be liquidated right wing rag The Jewish Chronicle.....
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2020 16:00:34 GMT
As someone who was never a member of any party prior to Labour's 2017 manifesto, that report is unbearable reading. Comments about the 'paranoid' viewings of corbyn fans seem to be pretty true, and it very much makes me question where my money deserves to go. I can't see labour winning anything for a long time after this. A huge majority of the new left wing people brought in, who increased the vote share in 2017 will probably leave, and who can blame them. A party actively working against the will of its membership to discredit the very party they work 'for'. So much for 'we just want to win elections' eh? And thats your take from this ? Not that right up until the final minutes in power they denied there was any anti semitism problem now their line is they couldn't do anything because some blairites were being nasty about them on whatsapp. The gotcha evidence is actually someone repeating what someone else was saying about them. Labours own lawyers refused to submit this evidence as it was so weak and actually undermined their submissions to the EHRC, the leaking of this along with the libel actions that will follow the EHRC report means there is a good chance it will be bankrupted and there was some debate a while back whether the members become liable then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 16:05:50 GMT
As someone who was never a member of any party prior to Labour's 2017 manifesto, that report is unbearable reading. Comments about the 'paranoid' viewings of corbyn fans seem to be pretty true, and it very much makes me question where my money deserves to go. I can't see labour winning anything for a long time after this. A huge majority of the new left wing people brought in, who increased the vote share in 2017 will probably leave, and who can blame them. A party actively working against the will of its membership to discredit the very party they work 'for'. So much for 'we just want to win elections' eh? And thats your take from this ? Not that right up until the final minutes in power they denied there was any anti semitism problem now their line is they couldn't do anything because some blairites were being nasty about them on whatsapp. The gotcha evidence is actually someone repeating what someone else was saying about them. Labours own lawyers refused to submit this evidence as it was so weak and actually undermined their submissions to the EHRC, the leaking of this along with the libel actions that will follow the EHRC report means there is a good chance it will be bankrupted and there was some debate a while back whether the members become liable then. Yes, that's what I take specifically from this. I've not really been a fan of any of the parties in general anyway, but the 2017 manifesto seemed to bring a good amount of change. To me, the fact the top of the party spent its time recommending Ken Livingstone be suspended not expelled to make JC seem bad, and telling journalists about Abbott crying in a loo whilst writing abusive comments about people like Burnham shows that I was wrong to think this may be different. That is not the same as saying that JC and the left wing of the party were perfect or even good. You can think Corbyn should've done more about Antisemitism and still think that the top end of the party was working to make him seem worse in public. I think it's given me the opinion that the party has a significant amount of snide, sly arses who are trying their best to stay in power within the party rather than actually help it move forward.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2020 16:10:02 GMT
I think you will find they are anything but cranks. So now you're quoting Mirror phone hacker Lee Harpin to me, liar and peddler of bullshit from the soon to be liquidated right wing rag The Jewish Chronicle..... Have the daily telegraph then, never heard of Harpin the important fact is Mark Lewis is involved he takes on and wins alot of libel actions.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2020 16:17:16 GMT
And thats your take from this ? Not that right up until the final minutes in power they denied there was any anti semitism problem now their line is they couldn't do anything because some blairites were being nasty about them on whatsapp. The gotcha evidence is actually someone repeating what someone else was saying about them. Labours own lawyers refused to submit this evidence as it was so weak and actually undermined their submissions to the EHRC, the leaking of this along with the libel actions that will follow the EHRC report means there is a good chance it will be bankrupted and there was some debate a while back whether the members become liable then. Yes, that's what I take specifically from this. I've not really been a fan of any of the parties in general anyway, but the 2017 manifesto seemed to bring a good amount of change. To me, the fact the top of the party spent its time recommending Ken Livingstone be suspended not expelled to make JC seem bad, and telling journalists about Abbott crying in a loo whilst writing abusive comments about people like Burnham shows that I was wrong to think this may be different. That is not the same as saying that JC and the left wing of the party were perfect or even good. You can think Corbyn should've done more about Antisemitism and still think that the top end of the party was working to make him seem worse in public. I think it's given me the opinion that the party has a significant amount of snide, sly arses who are trying their best to stay in power within the party rather than actually help it move forward. I think you will find that claim is proved to be nonsense in the libel courts but seeing as Corbyn and his team were so dead set on expelling Livingstone its funny that in the 3 or 4 years he was suspended not once will you find Corbyn making his displeasure known directly or indirectly through his outriders. It's all fairy tale made up stuff.
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Post by mattyd on Apr 13, 2020 16:51:53 GMT
JC...2nd worst ever LotO. 2nd only to the idiot Foot. So many stupid decisions, esp regarding his close team. How the fuck did he lose by a landslide to Boris & Co, and I'm a Tory.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 14, 2020 15:13:10 GMT
As someone who was never a member of any party prior to Labour's 2017 manifesto, that report is unbearable reading. Comments about the 'paranoid' viewings of corbyn fans seem to be pretty true, and it very much makes me question where my money deserves to go. I can't see labour winning anything for a long time after this. A huge majority of the new left wing people brought in, who increased the vote share in 2017 will probably leave, and who can blame them. A party actively working against the will of its membership to discredit the very party they work 'for'. So much for 'we just want to win elections' eh? And thats your take from this ? Not that right up until the final minutes in power they denied there was any anti semitism problem now their line is they couldn't do anything because some blairites were being nasty about them on whatsapp. The gotcha evidence is actually someone repeating what someone else was saying about them. Labours own lawyers refused to submit this evidence as it was so weak and actually undermined their submissions to the EHRC, the leaking of this along with the libel actions that will follow the EHRC report means there is a good chance it will be bankrupted and there was some debate a while back whether the members become liable then. The report starts by saying there is anti semitism problem. The leadership acknowledged there was anti semitism. The report merely points to the fact that the infighting actually meant that some on the party structure were escalating/ using the crisis to damage the leadership. A failure to acknowledge that is a failure to see the whole situation. The party is broken right now, if Starmer does not cut out these people who worked against election chances in 17 and willfully made the anti semitism crisis more about undermining Corbyn that reassuring Jews then it will continue to be broken. He has a golden opportunity.
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 14, 2020 15:48:08 GMT
JC...2nd worst ever LotO. 2nd only to the idiot Foot. So many stupid decisions, esp regarding his close team. How the fuck did he lose by a landslide to Boris & Co, and I'm a Tory. I thought losing to Theresa May was the biggest loss considering how awful her campaign was. Boris has always carried a popularity across the country, especially in areas considered Labour strongholds. Corbyn got bullied and didn't answer important questions and the Cons were able to keep the spotlight on him with very little effort. At best i think he would have slightly closed the gap but Boris was never going to lose to Corbyn, he should have gone when he lost to May. I am not sure that Starmer is the right choice now, Corbyn has left him at the bottom of a very big hole. He should have been in charge when Corbyn lost to May and that decision might cost Starmer any chance of being a future PM. Politics seems to be about timing and Boris came in at a good time and for Starmer it is still yet to be seen but it seems bleak for now. Boris is popular and it's not always easy to compete with people like that no matter which party they are part of.
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Post by richardparker on Apr 14, 2020 17:56:57 GMT
Shame, Corbyn’s Labour Party pledged to end zero hours contracts you had your chance. Shady agenda is a bit without substance Harry, I see plenty of shady agendas with the current lot also. Hey ho...... He did mate , shame he was so toxic to many people Only when you asked most people why they hated him they struggled to give a coherent reason. A popular one was that he is a communist, which he wasn't. Just out of interest why do you think most people would describe him as toxic?
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Post by richardparker on Apr 14, 2020 18:15:22 GMT
What does democratic socialism stand against Harry? Its centrism that folks vote for as opposed to hard left or right parties Blair won 3 elections for labour with this strategy Yes but then Blair was a Tory in all but name.
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