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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 17, 2020 21:44:42 GMT
I'm not finger pointing. I'm pointing out some simple economics. If the beds are still there they can fill them with paying patients. If they're given free to the NHS they can't. Private hospitals give up beds for free. They're not able to charge. They can't cover costs. Then what? I did read today that an NHS bed costs the Department of Health about £340. NHS trusts paying the private sector £300 doesn't sound so bad. Ah, right - so this is economics not politics based. Fair game and all that ... Are you demanding that supermarkets give food for free? Those companies who will make new ventilators will do that for free? Do you think nurses and Doctors should start working for free? No. You don't.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 17, 2020 23:12:21 GMT
Ah, right - so this is economics not politics based. Fair game and all that ... Are you demanding that supermarkets give food for free? Those companies who will make new ventilators will do that for free? Do you think nurses and Doctors should start working for free? No. You don't. So economics, not politics based then. Just clarifying. We all now know the private hospitals aren’t profiteering out of the situation... privateharleystreetclinic.com/products/covid-19-test
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 10:01:37 GMT
So with a heavy heart I feel it's only fitting that Admin should send this wonderful thread to the archives. The King is dead. Long live the King. Goodbye dear friends.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 4, 2020 10:14:54 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 5, 2020 6:48:19 GMT
Hilarious. The economy is (by design) tanking. Which is exactly what would happen with Corbynomics. I agree that the man has been much maligned. But there is a lot to malign him for.
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Post by felonious on Apr 5, 2020 7:05:52 GMT
Hilarious. The economy is (by design) tanking. Which is exactly what would happen with Corbynomics. I agree that the man has been much maligned. But there is a lot to malign him for. Under a Corbyn government money would have moved out of the country like shit off a shovel together with any high worth individuals who could make the move together with the 400,000 French nationals living in London to escape punitive taxes. The signals would no doubt have crashed the financial markets and growth forecasts, the in fighting on Brexit or no Brexit would have put the country back three years and the fight for the soul of the Labour party would still be ongoing and then Coronavirus puts the icing on the cake.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 8:48:11 GMT
Hilarious. The economy is (by design) tanking. Which is exactly what would happen with Corbynomics. I agree that the man has been much maligned. But there is a lot to malign him for. Under a Corbyn government money would have moved out of the country like shit off a shovel together with any high worth individuals who could make the move together with the 400,000 French nationals living in London to escape punitive taxes. The signals would no doubt have crashed the financial markets and growth forecasts, the in fighting on Brexit or no Brexit would have put the country back three years and the fight for the soul of the Labour party would still be ongoing and then Coronavirus puts the icing on the cake. Best to have people LITERALLY starving to death on the street then. That's the mark of a quality economy. This capital flight stuff makes my cunt ache. If ever there was a time that the 'few' should fuck off to Peterborough with a mug tree up their shit pipe and we focus on the 'many' it's now. Then again some people on this site fully deserve their tax dollars going to bail out diamond geezers like 'Sir' Philip fucking Green. They would probably bow and scrape to him if they met him. Daft cunts!
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 5, 2020 9:25:37 GMT
Under a Corbyn government money would have moved out of the country like shit off a shovel together with any high worth individuals who could make the move together with the 400,000 French nationals living in London to escape punitive taxes. The signals would no doubt have crashed the financial markets and growth forecasts, the in fighting on Brexit or no Brexit would have put the country back three years and the fight for the soul of the Labour party would still be ongoing and then Coronavirus puts the icing on the cake. Best to have people LITERALLY starving to death on the street then. That's the mark of a quality economy. This capital flight stuff makes my cunt ache. If ever there was a time that the 'few' should fuck off to Peterborough with a mug tree up their shit pipe and we focus on the 'many' it's now. Then again some people on this site fully deserve their tax dollars going to bail out diamond geezers like 'Sir' Philip fucking Green. They would probably bow and scrape to him if they met him. Daft cunts! And what's wrong with Peterborough Anyway back to Corbyn having watched Starmer on Marr this morning I would take Corbyn every time I didn't agree with him on many things but at least he had principles As for Starmer the smarmy bastard only has one principal power he'd sell his own grandmother if it helped him Maybe its the lawyer in him but like Blair be careful of the smile it hides a lot
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
Under a Corbyn government money would have moved out of the country like shit off a shovel together with any high worth individuals who could make the move together with the 400,000 French nationals living in London to escape punitive taxes. The signals would no doubt have crashed the financial markets and growth forecasts, the in fighting on Brexit or no Brexit would have put the country back three years and the fight for the soul of the Labour party would still be ongoing and then Coronavirus puts the icing on the cake. Best to have people LITERALLY starving to death on the street then. That's the mark of a quality economy. This capital flight stuff makes my cunt ache. If ever there was a time that the 'few' should fuck off to Peterborough with a mug tree up their shit pipe and we focus on the 'many' it's now. Then again some people on this site fully deserve their tax dollars going to bail out diamond geezers like 'Sir' Philip fucking Green. They would probably bow and scrape to him if they met him. Daft cunts! It’s funny’cause it’s true
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 10, 2020 22:23:39 GMT
A fitting end to a truly delusional politician.
"Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!”
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2020 22:59:04 GMT
A fitting end to a truly delusional politician. "Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!” Good to see Dodger manning the barricades. This years Hiroo Onada award for dedication in the aim, of well, fuck all, goes to the dodgepot!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 10, 2020 23:12:00 GMT
A fitting end to a truly delusional politician. "Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!” Good to see Dodger manning the barricades. This years Hiroo Onada award for dedication in the aim, of well, fuck all, goes to the dodgepot! Do you actually believe this? He'd have been PM back in 2017 if it hadn't been for those pesky kids?
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Post by salopstick on Apr 11, 2020 6:53:11 GMT
Good to see Dodger manning the barricades. This years Hiroo Onada award for dedication in the aim, of well, fuck all, goes to the dodgepot! Do you actually believe this? He'd have been PM back in 2017 if it hadn't been for those pesky kids? Said it before and it’s true. If he had stayed true to his beliefs and backed Brexit whole heartedly he would be in number ten now
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Post by felonious on Apr 11, 2020 7:00:45 GMT
A fitting end to a truly delusional politician. "Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!” The greatest PM that Momentum never had.
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Post by Kpsje on Apr 11, 2020 8:21:33 GMT
who voted for this idiot?
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2020 8:30:34 GMT
Other idiots fortunately the idiots were in a minority group as Huddy kept saying change is coming
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Post by Kpsje on Apr 11, 2020 8:38:14 GMT
Other idiots fortunately the idiots were in a minority group as Huddy kept saying change is coming Didn’t essex say same and mojo
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Post by thevoid on Apr 11, 2020 8:41:16 GMT
Change is coming comrades. Not long now 😉
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Post by yeokel on Apr 11, 2020 9:26:04 GMT
Other idiots fortunately the idiots were in a minority group as Huddy kept saying change is coming didn’t essex say same and mojo No. Essex would have said “chaynj iss Kummen My words and beliefs are my own and are not shared by anyone else or, at least, anyone sane.”
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Post by Kpsje on Apr 11, 2020 10:03:34 GMT
didn’t essex say same and mojo No. Essex would have said “chaynj iss Kummen My words and beliefs are my own and are not shared by anyone else or, at least, anyone sane.” i feel sorry for essex. change ain’t coming. got ten years of johnson to look forward to
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2020 10:59:18 GMT
Lovely to see the Cummingsbots still struggling to exist normally without their default 'blame Labour' crutch. Hancock has now started blaming nurses for wasting PPE they haven't got.
2020 Britain.
Utter filth.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 11, 2020 11:09:49 GMT
I'm fairly sure as time passes we will look back on the last election with utter despair at the 2 candidates put forward by both Labour and Conservative and wonder just what the hell was going on.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 11, 2020 13:38:47 GMT
Do you actually believe this? He'd have been PM back in 2017 if it hadn't been for those pesky kids? Said it before and it’s true. If he had stayed true to his beliefs and backed Brexit whole heartedly he would be in number ten now Not sure if that would have been the case against Boris I think he always loses, Boris was part of vote leave plus if corbyn had backed leave he'd have lost seats in london because those remainers would have voted Liberal or for Boris to deliver a half competent brexit. As for Jezza's claim he'd have won without the coup well if they hadnt been a coup May wouldnt have hit 50%+ so wouldnt have called an early general election.........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 14:26:24 GMT
I'm fairly sure as time passes we will look back on the last election with utter despair at the 2 candidates put forward by both Labour and Conservative and wonder just what the hell was going on. I get that Corbyn had big issues. But this weird equating of him with Boris Johnson is mental. 'Neither candidate was good' is a shit excuse for voting in a man who's dithering and idiocy will likely kill thousands, and who's politics include the lines 'inequality is necessary' and 'no-one has done more to protect bankers than me', not even including the racist comments he's made in the past.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 11, 2020 18:39:31 GMT
I'm fairly sure as time passes we will look back on the last election with utter despair at the 2 candidates put forward by both Labour and Conservative and wonder just what the hell was going on. I get that Corbyn had big issues. But this weird equating of him with Boris Johnson is mental. 'Neither candidate was good' is a shit excuse for voting in a man who's dithering and idiocy will likely kill thousands, and who's politics include the lines 'inequality is necessary' and 'no-one has done more to protect bankers than me', not even including the racist comments he's made in the past. Those big issues were enough for swathes of people to vote in Johnson - either by actually voting for him or simply not voting at all - and luckily the Labour party now has not only a grown up in charge but one who can actually be electable. There have been many stories of people who felt at odds with themselves having voted for BJ because the alternative was so bad. I came at it from a different angle I wanted to see Ruth hold her seat and whilst I was gutted to see this type of Tory government come into power I was certainly relieved that Corbyn was not PM. To sum him him up. Nice bloke, some good ideas, past 'friendship' choices caught up with him, failed to deal with anti-semitism and went down a re-nationalisation path that at the time not many wanted. Add into that the Brexit issue and you get exactly what we got. Worst performance in 80-odd years. So yes, whilst we are probably on the same team they were both appalling options for the British public to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 19:03:22 GMT
I get that Corbyn had big issues. But this weird equating of him with Boris Johnson is mental. 'Neither candidate was good' is a shit excuse for voting in a man who's dithering and idiocy will likely kill thousands, and who's politics include the lines 'inequality is necessary' and 'no-one has done more to protect bankers than me', not even including the racist comments he's made in the past. Those big issues were enough for swathes of people to vote in Johnson - either by actually voting for him or simply not voting at all - and luckily the Labour party now has not only a grown up in charge but one who can actually be electable. There have been many stories of people who felt at odds with themselves having voted for BJ because the alternative was so bad. I came at it from a different angle I wanted to see Ruth hold her seat and whilst I was gutted to see this type of Tory government come into power I was certainly relieved that Corbyn was not PM. To sum him him up. Nice bloke, some good ideas, past 'friendship' choices caught up with him, failed to deal with anti-semitism and went down a re-nationalisation path that at the time not many wanted. Add into that the Brexit issue and you get exactly what we got. Worst performance in 80-odd years. So yes, whilst we are probably on the same team they were both appalling options for the British public to choose from. I don't think there's much on earth that can convince me that Corbyn, for all the issues you mentioned, was a worse choice than Johnson and the tory party. More people have died and will continue to die because of that choice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 19:16:15 GMT
I get that Corbyn had big issues. But this weird equating of him with Boris Johnson is mental. 'Neither candidate was good' is a shit excuse for voting in a man who's dithering and idiocy will likely kill thousands, and who's politics include the lines 'inequality is necessary' and 'no-one has done more to protect bankers than me', not even including the racist comments he's made in the past. Those big issues were enough for swathes of people to vote in Johnson - either by actually voting for him or simply not voting at all - and luckily the Labour party now has not only a grown up in charge but one who can actually be electable. There have been many stories of people who felt at odds with themselves having voted for BJ because the alternative was so bad. I came at it from a different angle I wanted to see Ruth hold her seat and whilst I was gutted to see this type of Tory government come into power I was certainly relieved that Corbyn was not PM. To sum him him up. Nice bloke, some good ideas, past 'friendship' choices caught up with him, failed to deal with anti-semitism and went down a re-nationalisation path that at the time not many wanted. Add into that the Brexit issue and you get exactly what we got. Worst performance in 80-odd years. So yes, whilst we are probably on the same team they were both appalling options for the British public to choose from. We’ll see about Starmer. I think you might be disappointed personally......
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 11, 2020 19:53:57 GMT
Those big issues were enough for swathes of people to vote in Johnson - either by actually voting for him or simply not voting at all - and luckily the Labour party now has not only a grown up in charge but one who can actually be electable. There have been many stories of people who felt at odds with themselves having voted for BJ because the alternative was so bad. I came at it from a different angle I wanted to see Ruth hold her seat and whilst I was gutted to see this type of Tory government come into power I was certainly relieved that Corbyn was not PM. To sum him him up. Nice bloke, some good ideas, past 'friendship' choices caught up with him, failed to deal with anti-semitism and went down a re-nationalisation path that at the time not many wanted. Add into that the Brexit issue and you get exactly what we got. Worst performance in 80-odd years. So yes, whilst we are probably on the same team they were both appalling options for the British public to choose from. I don't think there's much on earth that can convince me that Corbyn, for all the issues you mentioned, was a worse choice than Johnson and the tory party. More people have died and will continue to die because of that choice. And 'me' is the most important part of your response here mate. I would also state that from my perspective I think he would have been (very marginally) a better choice that BJ especially taking into account the current climate/situation. But, where I probably differ slightly, is that I was also open and very much listening to the concerns of Jewish communities, people living in Warrington/Birmingham with long memories and also the concerns of how far left he represents. Not only did this lead to no gains last time out in marginal seats but also losing the home bankers. Labour will only win elections from the centre ground. Conservative's can win from centre and also a step to the right.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 11, 2020 19:55:06 GMT
Those big issues were enough for swathes of people to vote in Johnson - either by actually voting for him or simply not voting at all - and luckily the Labour party now has not only a grown up in charge but one who can actually be electable. There have been many stories of people who felt at odds with themselves having voted for BJ because the alternative was so bad. I came at it from a different angle I wanted to see Ruth hold her seat and whilst I was gutted to see this type of Tory government come into power I was certainly relieved that Corbyn was not PM. To sum him him up. Nice bloke, some good ideas, past 'friendship' choices caught up with him, failed to deal with anti-semitism and went down a re-nationalisation path that at the time not many wanted. Add into that the Brexit issue and you get exactly what we got. Worst performance in 80-odd years. So yes, whilst we are probably on the same team they were both appalling options for the British public to choose from. We’ll see about Starmer. I think you might be disappointed personally...... Admittedly PP I know very little and will form a better opinion over time however he will most definitely stand a better chance of being elected than JC ever did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 20:22:10 GMT
I don't think there's much on earth that can convince me that Corbyn, for all the issues you mentioned, was a worse choice than Johnson and the tory party. More people have died and will continue to die because of that choice. And 'me' is the most important part of your response here mate. I would also state that from my perspective I think he would have been (very marginally) a better choice that BJ especially taking into account the current climate/situation. But, where I probably differ slightly, is that I was also open and very much listening to the concerns of Jewish communities, people living in Warrington/Birmingham with long memories and also the concerns of how far left he represents. Not only did this lead to no gains last time out in marginal seats but also losing the home bankers. Labour will only win elections from the centre ground. Conservative's can win from centre and also a step to the right. That's fine, but it isn't what I believe in. Being left wing in this country is a minority, we're simply quite a right wing nation, and that's why I take issue with people pretending they'd have voted labour if it wasn't just for Corbyn.
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