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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2020 19:01:34 GMT
can anyone on here tell me if any team can poach a player off us with us been a category A club academy. i have been ask the question but i dont know .so can anyone explain. I think so. Only Cat A ones though maybe. If you search for EPPP rules you might find the definitive rules. Who’s stealing one of our players? 😂
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Post by liathroid on May 2, 2020 9:42:43 GMT
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Post by liathroid on May 2, 2020 9:43:42 GMT
can anyone on here tell me if any team can poach a player off us with us been a category A club academy. i have been ask the question but i dont know .so can anyone explain. I think so. Only Cat A ones though maybe. If you search for EPPP rules you might find the definitive rules. Who’s stealing one of our players? 😂 Chelsea
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2020 11:48:54 GMT
I think so. Only Cat A ones though maybe. If you search for EPPP rules you might find the definitive rules. Who’s stealing one of our players? 😂 Chelsea If it’s Sankoh he isn’t under contract so not really stealing. Just part and parcel of it sadly.
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Post by biglad180 on May 4, 2020 16:25:50 GMT
surely the lad would have a far better chance of playing games here that at everton or chelsea. after a couple of season here learning is trade, if we cannot match is ambitions then it may be time for him to move on. Tyrese campbell is coming on leaps and bounds with games under is belt,
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Post by liathroid on May 4, 2020 18:10:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2020 18:31:20 GMT
surely the lad would have a far better chance of playing games here that at everton or chelsea. after a couple of season here learning is trade, if we cannot match is ambitions then it may be time for him to move on. Tyrese campbell is coming on leaps and bounds with games under is belt, We could offer him first team wages and promote him to the first squad. He might go for that. However although he looks a fantastic prospect he's not ready yet. The sensible option would be some kind of staggered long term contract with a view to getting him a good loan next season and then integrate him. However Chelsea could offer him many times the wages and equally offer a decent loan (or four,till he's 19/20). Either way he will get 'too much too soon', huge risk of it all ending in tears. He needs an incredibly strong support from his parents/family.
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Post by bhp on May 4, 2020 22:23:15 GMT
surely the lad would have a far better chance of playing games here that at everton or chelsea. after a couple of season here learning is trade, if we cannot match is ambitions then it may be time for him to move on. Tyrese campbell is coming on leaps and bounds with games under is belt, We could offer him first team wages and promote him to the first squad. He might go for that. However although he looks a fantastic prospect he's not ready yet. The sensible option would be some kind of staggered long term contract with a view to getting him a good loan next season and then integrate him. However Chelsea could offer him many times the wages and equally offer a decent loan (or four,till he's 19/20). Either way he will get 'too much too soon', huge risk of it all ending in tears. He needs an incredibly strong support from his parents/family. This is where money starts to talk in football from 16 onwards. Chelsea signed George Nunn from Crewe at the start of the last season for around 400k on a scholarship, signed a pro deal some months later and is on the wage of a below average League 1 player at 18. Important point is that he doesn't appear to be first choice centre forward and after seeing him in the cup semi you can see why. Or alternatively, could have had 100 odd professional first team appearances at the Alex before he's 20, if not more.. Goes to show the work the academy have put in to compete with clubs of this stature, throughout the 12-18 range we've been competing with the best for a few years now. Believe Chelsea were mentioned for 2 of ours last year and both stayed put
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Post by bhp on May 4, 2020 23:05:00 GMT
can anyone on here tell me if any team can poach a player off us with us been a category A club academy. i have been ask the question but i dont know .so can anyone explain. In short, any club can sign anyone until they sign a pro deal at 17. The amount depends on a variety of factors, how long the player has been at the club and his subsequent history, e.g. Category 1 academy for 3 years, Category 2 for 2 years. Ultimately what type of contract he's on, obviously professional deal when the boy turns 17 the club have control over, other than that the amount is decided by EPPP as a compensation figure effectively. Not sure what control the club has in Mo's case considering he's somehow just finished school and starting his scholarship.. Which are usually 2 years, or if the figure is decided mainly by EPPP. Gets more complicated from scholarship onwards, upto that point anyone can go anywhere and the figure is decided on EPPP, as a 'reward' for the club developing the player.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 7:30:11 GMT
That's a major spanner in the works. A Premier League club with a good recent history of bringing through young players. Shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 7:31:23 GMT
Sankoh is gone let's be honest.
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Post by liathroid on May 5, 2020 15:02:57 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on May 5, 2020 15:08:19 GMT
Sankoh is gone let's be honest. Agreed, but those are the rules. I think he came from Holland, but not sure if he was with a club. If so, they probably felt the same about us. The whole thing is cattle market and money talks. Unless you have a very wise head on young shoulders or a superb family supporting a lad to see the bigger picture, these kids will always end up following the money. That’s what Gordon bloody Taylor should be looking at, not suggesting shortened halves of football.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 15:29:46 GMT
Sankoh is gone let's be honest. Agreed, but those are the rules. I think he came from Holland, but not sure if he was with a club. If so, they probably felt the same about us. The whole thing is cattle market and money talks. Unless you have a very wise head on young shoulders or a superb family supporting a lad to see the bigger picture, these kids will always end up following the money. That’s what Gordon bloody Taylor should be looking at, not suggesting shortened halves of football. Aye spot on. I personally think there should be some reformation of the loaning system in a big way, the problem is that we're totally incapable of coordinating things within the major leagues. I thought that British teams having the transfer window end when the season begins was smart, but no one else adopted it so it didn't work out.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 5, 2020 15:40:14 GMT
Agreed, but those are the rules. I think he came from Holland, but not sure if he was with a club. If so, they probably felt the same about us. The whole thing is cattle market and money talks. Unless you have a very wise head on young shoulders or a superb family supporting a lad to see the bigger picture, these kids will always end up following the money. That’s what Gordon bloody Taylor should be looking at, not suggesting shortened halves of football. Aye spot on. I personally think there should be some reformation of the loaning system in a big way, the problem is that we're totally incapable of coordinating things within the major leagues. I thought that British teams having the transfer window end when the season begins was smart, but no one else adopted it so it didn't work out. They certainly need to find a way of the big clubs stockpiling players although I must admit I do admire Chelsea's approach in some ways. Its difficult one with Sankoh I think if we'd have got a bit of a better recent track record of giving younger players a chance he might see his short to medium term future with us. As it stands and the big factor of money aside Everton and Chelsea have a far better track record with young players.
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Post by themistocles on May 5, 2020 15:55:40 GMT
His strike partner Godfrinne is also very well thought of.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on May 5, 2020 19:29:10 GMT
Is there much point of clubs like ours having a schoolboy scouting system if somebody can just pay a nominal fee after somebody else has done the leg work?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2020 19:40:41 GMT
Is there much point of clubs like ours having a schoolboy scouting system if somebody can just pay a nominal fee after somebody else has done the leg work? Yes because we can do the same to almost every other club. It’s a crap system and always has been since they bought the different categories in but we’re at the top of the tree generally.
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Post by liathroid on May 7, 2020 19:48:54 GMT
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Post by liathroid on May 7, 2020 19:49:18 GMT
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Post by liathroid on May 8, 2020 13:16:47 GMT
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Post by Squeekster on May 8, 2020 13:46:59 GMT
Agreed, but those are the rules. I think he came from Holland, but not sure if he was with a club. If so, they probably felt the same about us. The whole thing is cattle market and money talks. Unless you have a very wise head on young shoulders or a superb family supporting a lad to see the bigger picture, these kids will always end up following the money. That’s what Gordon bloody Taylor should be looking at, not suggesting shortened halves of football. Aye spot on. I personally think there should be some reformation of the loaning system in a big way, the problem is that we're totally incapable of coordinating things within the major leagues. I thought that British teams having the transfer window end when the season begins was smart, but no one else adopted it so it didn't work out. They are supposed to be re-jigging the loan system, what it entails and when it happens has yet to be seen but it was said you wouldn't be able to loan that many players out like they do now.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 11:57:22 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2020 12:05:42 GMT
In terms of the league for both the 18s and 23s this was probably our best season.
The u23s should have made the play offs for promotion to the 1st division of PL2.
And the 18s were sitting 5th, 3 points from 2nd with 2 games in hand on 4th and 1 on 3rd.
We got to the final of the u18 league cup. Which was won by the team who sit top of our league having only 2 and drawn only 1.
Great season really for them. Shame it's been cut short.
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Post by spitthedog on May 18, 2020 12:07:13 GMT
Is there much point of clubs like ours having a schoolboy scouting system if somebody can just pay a nominal fee after somebody else has done the leg work? The same for clubs all the way down the ladder? Many with far less resources than us I imagine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2020 12:45:58 GMT
Is there much point of clubs like ours having a schoolboy scouting system if somebody can just pay a nominal fee after somebody else has done the leg work? The same for clubs all the way down the ladder? Many with far less resources than us I imagine. It depends on how you look at it tbh. For us it definitely does because theoretically we can do what Chelsea do to us. But lower down it might not be worth it and a few clubs have sacked it off and just go from U16/18s with players released from elsewhere. I guess it depends on what you want. If a League One club gets 150k for a 15 year old that's a lot of money to them, yeah it could be more but it's still decent. For us, I think we have 6/7 players now that have come through the academy that I wouldn't mind seeing in the first team squad. And of them Edwards, Collins, Sorensen, Verlinden, Ngoy and Campbell I wouldn't mind starting in the same game. Indeed I think it'd be great.
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Post by liathroid on May 21, 2020 16:30:50 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Jun 11, 2020 15:29:01 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2020 18:56:48 GMT
This would be a massive massive blow
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Post by liathroid on Jul 15, 2020 19:01:30 GMT
This would be a massive massive blow another Sankoh
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