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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 2, 2022 7:58:39 GMT
The stuff your corrupt leaders don't want you to see 😊 Doesn't suit the agenda though mate
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 2, 2022 8:11:41 GMT
Picking out a few lines from the report to try and make a point and a headline ? In the report it says that at the time it was 44'c and everyone was using AC, and the grid was stretched, and it was only limiting between 4 and 9 pm. 44c quite normal, everyone carry on, nothing to see here .... On the rare occasion I charge my car at home not direct from the solar panels I do it after 11pm when the rate is at its lowest. Partly yes, but also because I found it quite funny. Given only 2% of cars in California are electric and as you say the heat is normal, I think it's shocking the request needed to be made at all. There's a decent argument that all the extra infrastructure that's needed in such a short time will be more damaging to the environment than if electric cars were phased in more naturally. I can't remember the percentage figure, but millions of cars are scrapped years before the end of any reasonable lifecycle, and the production of new cars is one of the most polluting things about them. It helped with progress of course, but the hybrid Toyota was far more polluting then an equivalent petrol-only car for many years (I haven't looked at recent data but imagine it's not so bad now it's more popular). Most politicians don't really care about climate change, but they see the transition as a way to keep economies growing. Which I imagine you don't disagree with (correct me if I'm wrong).
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 14, 2022 9:11:11 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 14, 2022 11:57:00 GMT
At works I managed in the 90s I was approached about building a wind power generator on the site by the local council. Their argument was they wanted to go green and were willing to support planning permission, in anticipation to local resident objections - there are always NIMBYs. There arguments were reducing the residents fossil fuel dependence and the works could use the surplus electricity at night. They expected the works to pay the capital cost. We looked at the possibility of a scheme and deduced there would be 7 to 8 year payback assuming the residents paid the works for the electricity they used, which wasn't a given. The proposal was declined as the business could not afford to invest over such a long period. Today I imagine wind power generators are a lot cheaper in real terms due to the huge numbers now constructed and certainly the revenue from the electricity would be a lot higher. So I would concur with the premise that green energy is a lot better payback these days
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 16, 2022 14:51:08 GMT
India increases power of climate goals. Now says that about half of its power plant capacity will be zero emission by 2030. Countries like India should ratchet up as western countries prove the tech works and make it cheaper.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 16, 2022 14:55:55 GMT
The stuff your corrupt leaders don't want you to see 😊 Doesn't suit the agenda though mate I think it's good to look at the big picture.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 16, 2022 15:21:08 GMT
Doesn't suit the agenda though mate I think it's good to look at the big picture. Science, facts and data are now a discredited methodology by the flat earthers. He who tweets loudest and uses the word woke wins the debate.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 16, 2022 15:25:42 GMT
Picking out a few lines from the report to try and make a point and a headline ? In the report it says that at the time it was 44'c and everyone was using AC, and the grid was stretched, and it was only limiting between 4 and 9 pm. 44c quite normal, everyone carry on, nothing to see here .... On the rare occasion I charge my car at home not direct from the solar panels I do it after 11pm when the rate is at its lowest. Partly yes, but also because I found it quite funny. Given only 2% of cars in California are electric and as you say the heat is normal, I think it's shocking the request needed to be made at all. There's a decent argument that all the extra infrastructure that's needed in such a short time will be more damaging to the environment than if electric cars were phased in more naturally. I can't remember the percentage figure, but millions of cars are scrapped years before the end of any reasonable lifecycle, and the production of new cars is one of the most polluting things about them. It helped with progress of course, but the hybrid Toyota was far more polluting then an equivalent petrol-only car for many years (I haven't looked at recent data but imagine it's not so bad now it's more popular). Most politicians don't really care about climate change, but they see the transition as a way to keep economies growing. Which I imagine you don't disagree with (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think California requires cars to be scrapped, only that new sales will be electric by 2035. It seems pretty gradual to me actually. California avoided any big blackouts even though it was a record breaking heatwave. I was happy to be back in the UK for it. At least California plans for the future and they know that there will be more and more heatwaves. In North Carolina the Republicans made it illegal to use science to prepare for the future. When it bites them in the arse we all know they'll come begging to California and New York taxpayers to bail them out.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 16, 2022 16:51:57 GMT
Partly yes, but also because I found it quite funny. Given only 2% of cars in California are electric and as you say the heat is normal, I think it's shocking the request needed to be made at all. There's a decent argument that all the extra infrastructure that's needed in such a short time will be more damaging to the environment than if electric cars were phased in more naturally. I can't remember the percentage figure, but millions of cars are scrapped years before the end of any reasonable lifecycle, and the production of new cars is one of the most polluting things about them. It helped with progress of course, but the hybrid Toyota was far more polluting then an equivalent petrol-only car for many years (I haven't looked at recent data but imagine it's not so bad now it's more popular). Most politicians don't really care about climate change, but they see the transition as a way to keep economies growing. Which I imagine you don't disagree with (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think California requires cars to be scrapped, only that new sales will be electric by 2035. It seems pretty gradual to me actually. California avoided any big blackouts even though it was a record breaking heatwave. I was happy to be back in the UK for it. At least California plans for the future and they know that there will be more and more heatwaves. In North Carolina the Republicans made it illegal to use science to prepare for the future. When it bites them in the arse we all know they'll come begging to California and New York taxpayers to bail them out. Here are the UK plans: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consulting-on-ending-the-sale-of-new-petrol-diesel-and-hybrid-cars-and-vansThe average life of cars today is 8 years in the UK, but new cars are expected to last an average 12 years. Assuming some cars last double the average (I exclude classic and vintage) then we can expect to see a rapid decline in the number of petrol and diesel cars and vans in the UK from 2042. (I say "we" but not personally!) Of course peer pressure might make most people switch to electric sooner. The steeper hill to climb is the ending of gas central heating.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 17, 2022 11:38:00 GMT
I don't think California requires cars to be scrapped, only that new sales will be electric by 2035. It seems pretty gradual to me actually. California avoided any big blackouts even though it was a record breaking heatwave. I was happy to be back in the UK for it. At least California plans for the future and they know that there will be more and more heatwaves. In North Carolina the Republicans made it illegal to use science to prepare for the future. When it bites them in the arse we all know they'll come begging to California and New York taxpayers to bail them out. Here are the UK plans: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consulting-on-ending-the-sale-of-new-petrol-diesel-and-hybrid-cars-and-vansThe average life of cars today is 8 years in the UK, but new cars are expected to last an average 12 years. Assuming some cars last double the average (I exclude classic and vintage) then we can expect to see a rapid decline in the number of petrol and diesel cars and vans in the UK from 2042. (I say "we" but not personally!) Of course peer pressure might make most people switch to electric sooner. The steeper hill to climb is the ending of gas central heating. I can't be bothered to read that to find out if I trust the data. E.g. why is the life of a current car 8 years, but it's expected to increase to 12 years? That average life of 8 years is way under what it would be if cars were kept (rather than scrapped) for their useful lifecycle. Peer pressure or people seeing their car as a status symbol is a reason why that 8 years isn't higher. It'd be better for the environment if it was widely seen as a good thing for keeping cars for longer than the 3 years a lot of people do. Will batteries last for the whole life of the car? I've seen estimates of 100,000 to 200,000 miles, but I think they were estimates from car companies rather than independent.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 17, 2022 12:00:33 GMT
I'd like to know where they get this 8 years old being the life of a car before they're off the road. Is this for Pimlico in London? Me and my lad have got 4 cars between us with the 'newest' being 13 years old and the oldest (mine, and it's only done 50,000 miles) being 21 years old. Many dealers today will snap your hands off for an 8 year old car in decent condition because S/H car prices have rocketed due to the unavailability of new cars.
OS.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 17, 2022 12:05:31 GMT
I'd like to know where they get this 8 years old being the life of a car before they're off the road. Is this for Pimlico in London? Me and my lad have got 4 cars between us with the 'newest' being 13 years old and the oldest (mine, and it's only done 50,000 miles) being 21 years old. Many dealers today will snap your hands off for an 8 year old car in decent condition because S/H car prices have rocketed due to the unavailability of new cars. OS. Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't trust the data. My current car is 19 years old. A lot of very recent cars do get scrapped. 8 years does sound low but wouldn't surprise me if it was true. I might sit by a road for half an hour and count the age of the cars...
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2022 12:39:29 GMT
Apologies if my post above was misleading. On reflection I should have posted "age" not "life". I did indicate this by saying if no new petrol or diesel cars are permitted in the UK from 2030, we can expect a rapid decline in petrol and diesel cars on the road from 2042, i.e. when the fossil fuel cars on the road have exceeded 12 years of age. The average age is increasing because cars last longer and people are less inclined to change them as often as they used to with longer warranties. www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/record-breaking-age-of-uk-cars/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20of%20cars,car%20was%20built%20in%202011.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 17, 2022 16:33:37 GMT
not so much of a surprise from the oil companies "Previous releases of internal documents have shown that the oil industry knew of the devastating impact of climate change but chose instead to downplay and even deny these findings publicly in order to maintain their business model." "Shell, meanwhile, has committed to becoming a “net zero” emissions business by 2050, and yet the documents show a private 2020 communication in which employees are urged to never “imply, suggest, or leave it open for possible misinterpretation that (net zero) is a Shell goal or target”. Shell has “no immediate plans to move to a net-zero emissions portfolio” over the next 10 to 20 years, it added." www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/17/oil-companies-exxonmobil-chevron-shell-bp-climate-crisis
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 17, 2022 21:16:41 GMT
I'd like to know where they get this 8 years old being the life of a car before they're off the road. Is this for Pimlico in London? Me and my lad have got 4 cars between us with the 'newest' being 13 years old and the oldest (mine, and it's only done 50,000 miles) being 21 years old. Many dealers today will snap your hands off for an 8 year old car in decent condition because S/H car prices have rocketed due to the unavailability of new cars. OS. As mrcoke corrected that must be the age of those driving around. How do you only do 2k miles a year? My trick was finding a mate who doesn't drink and making him designated driver for every event!
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 18, 2022 14:24:05 GMT
not so much of a surprise from the oil companies "Previous releases of internal documents have shown that the oil industry knew of the devastating impact of climate change but chose instead to downplay and even deny these findings publicly in order to maintain their business model." "Shell, meanwhile, has committed to becoming a “net zero” emissions business by 2050, and yet the documents show a private 2020 communication in which employees are urged to never “imply, suggest, or leave it open for possible misinterpretation that (net zero) is a Shell goal or target”. Shell has “no immediate plans to move to a net-zero emissions portfolio” over the next 10 to 20 years, it added." www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/17/oil-companies-exxonmobil-chevron-shell-bp-climate-crisisThere's a very good podcast series about the lies and denials of oil and tobacco companies, How They Made Us Doubt Everything: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2022 16:52:28 GMT
Apologies if my post above was misleading. On reflection I should have posted "age" not "life". I did indicate this by saying if no new petrol or diesel cars are permitted in the UK from 2030, we can expect a rapid decline in petrol and diesel cars on the road from 2042, i.e. when the fossil fuel cars on the road have exceeded 12 years of age. The average age is increasing because cars last longer and people are less inclined to change them as often as they used to with longer warranties. www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/record-breaking-age-of-uk-cars/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20of%20cars,car%20was%20built%20in%202011. I made a guess at what it might look like, top graph is the percent of car sales each year that are electric and bottom is the percent of cars on the road that are still petrol/diesel. I assumed modern cars last 15 years so at the beginning you scrap petrol/diesel and by the end you're scrapping mostly electrics. It depends how quickly the EV sales go up but I'm expecting a pretty smooth changeover. Surprisingly we're about on track to be 50:50 electric on the road by 2030!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 18, 2022 17:21:57 GMT
So the current Miss Badger is currently heading up a push at Hydrogen Gas in Ellesmere Port, first of its kind in the world and it’s looking to be rolled out beyond that area and beyond, potentially nationwide if successful. My question is, because I can’t be arsed to listen to loads of technical shite from her, is this a route to reducing carbon emissions as I genuinely don’t know? I asked about fracking but that seemed a taboo subject
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2022 17:51:54 GMT
Apologies if my post above was misleading. On reflection I should have posted "age" not "life". I did indicate this by saying if no new petrol or diesel cars are permitted in the UK from 2030, we can expect a rapid decline in petrol and diesel cars on the road from 2042, i.e. when the fossil fuel cars on the road have exceeded 12 years of age. The average age is increasing because cars last longer and people are less inclined to change them as often as they used to with longer warranties. www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/record-breaking-age-of-uk-cars/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20of%20cars,car%20was%20built%20in%202011. I made a guess at what it might look like, top graph is the percent of car sales each year that are electric and bottom is the percent of cars on the road that are still petrol/diesel. I assumed modern cars last 15 years so at the beginning you scrap petrol/diesel and by the end you're scrapping mostly electrics. It depends how quickly the EV sales go up but I'm expecting a pretty smooth changeover. Surprisingly we're about on track to be 50:50 electric on the road by 2030! I have a query, shouldn't electric vehicle sales be 100% from 2030? Or am I misinterpreting your top graph?
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2022 18:07:41 GMT
I made a guess at what it might look like, top graph is the percent of car sales each year that are electric and bottom is the percent of cars on the road that are still petrol/diesel. I assumed modern cars last 15 years so at the beginning you scrap petrol/diesel and by the end you're scrapping mostly electrics. It depends how quickly the EV sales go up but I'm expecting a pretty smooth changeover. Surprisingly we're about on track to be 50:50 electric on the road by 2030! I have a query, shouldn't electric vehicle sales be 100% from 2030? Or am I misinterpreting your top graph? Oops I posted the wrong version of the graph. What a dummy! Yeah it should basically be 100% in 2035 (California) or 2030 (UK) but the shapes of the lines look pretty similar, just shifted a bit. It looks like most cars on the road should be electric way before 2042. They need to hurry up with those new power plants...
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2022 18:09:02 GMT
So the current Miss Badger is currently heading up a push at Hydrogen Gas in Ellesmere Port, first of its kind in the world and it’s looking to be rolled out beyond that area and beyond, potentially nationwide if successful. My question is, because I can’t be arsed to listen to loads of technical shite from her, is this a route to reducing carbon emissions as I genuinely don’t know? I asked about fracking but that seemed a taboo subject Yeah it is a route. Eventually the hydrogen will be clean, for a bit lots of it will still be made from gas etc. Or maybe not thanks to Russia! Also, the "current" Mrs Badger? How long until you plan to replace her?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 18, 2022 18:11:07 GMT
So the current Miss Badger is currently heading up a push at Hydrogen Gas in Ellesmere Port, first of its kind in the world and it’s looking to be rolled out beyond that area and beyond, potentially nationwide if successful. My question is, because I can’t be arsed to listen to loads of technical shite from her, is this a route to reducing carbon emissions as I genuinely don’t know? I asked about fracking but that seemed a taboo subject Yeah it is a route. Eventually the hydrogen will be clean, for a bit lots of it will still be made from gas etc. Or maybe not thanks to Russia! Also, the "current" Mrs Badger? How long until you plan to replace her? A week or so🤣
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2022 18:17:54 GMT
Yeah it is a route. Eventually the hydrogen will be clean, for a bit lots of it will still be made from gas etc. Or maybe not thanks to Russia! Also, the "current" Mrs Badger? How long until you plan to replace her? A week or so🤣 Ah that's what you were looking for in Leicester, and why you say it's a cracking night out?
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Post by AlliG on Sept 18, 2022 19:59:46 GMT
I'd like to know where they get this 8 years old being the life of a car before they're off the road. Is this for Pimlico in London? Me and my lad have got 4 cars between us with the 'newest' being 13 years old and the oldest (mine, and it's only done 50,000 miles) being 21 years old. Many dealers today will snap your hands off for an 8 year old car in decent condition because S/H car prices have rocketed due to the unavailability of new cars. OS. As mrcoke corrected that must be the age of those driving around. How do you only do 2k miles a year? My trick was finding a mate who doesn't drink and making him designated driver for every event! I know a few people who only drive about 2,000 miles a year. It is quite common amongst our more "mature" drivers. My Mum has an 18 year old Corsa with about 55k on the clock. The longest journey she makes is 3 miles. Either to church or the village hall in the next village or the occasional trip into Stone. (Public transport is a complete no-go. There are 2 buses a day from her village. One to take the kids to school and 1 to bring them back). Any longer journeys and I get a phone call. I have another friend (age 92) who has a similar age Kia Cee'd with about 22k on the clock.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2022 20:06:12 GMT
So the current Miss Badger is currently heading up a push at Hydrogen Gas in Ellesmere Port, first of its kind in the world and it’s looking to be rolled out beyond that area and beyond, potentially nationwide if successful. My question is, because I can’t be arsed to listen to loads of technical shite from her, is this a route to reducing carbon emissions as I genuinely don’t know? I asked about fracking but that seemed a taboo subject Yeah it is a route. Eventually the hydrogen will be clean, for a bit lots of it will still be made from gas etc. Or maybe not thanks to Russia! Also, the "current" Mrs Badger? How long until you plan to replace her? Wouldn't it be ironic if Putin's action did more to get rid of fossil fuels than anyone.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2022 21:05:10 GMT
Yeah it is a route. Eventually the hydrogen will be clean, for a bit lots of it will still be made from gas etc. Or maybe not thanks to Russia! Also, the "current" Mrs Badger? How long until you plan to replace her? Wouldn't it be ironic if Putin's action did more to get rid of fossil fuels than anyone. I didn't have "Putin saves our future" on my bingo. Whatever next!?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2022 8:16:15 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2022 8:36:27 GMT
I see your London Queen’s Funeral President cavalcade and raise you Glasgow COP26…
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2022 8:56:20 GMT
I see your London Queen’s Funeral President cavalcade and raise you Glasgow COP26… One rule for the important people. Another for the peasantry.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2022 9:17:43 GMT
I see your London Queen’s Funeral President cavalcade and raise you Glasgow COP26… One rule for the important people. Another for the peasantry. Indeed. Same as it ever was.
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